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reddirt
climber
PNW
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Dec 24, 2011 - 06:57pm PT
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How come MH Trango got more than 1 mention but no one's mentioned the MH EV3?
Packed wt:
EV3/Trango 3.1
7 lb. 13 oz./3.53 kg vs. 11 lb. 6 oz./5.15 kg.
49 sq. ft. /48 sq. ft.
$125 difference
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reddirt
climber
PNW
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Dec 24, 2011 - 06:58pm PT
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Wow. A person could start a tent making business with that one, some space in the garage and 2 seamstresses from Costa Rica.
yes, but the seam sealing would still be a total pain in the ass!
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Tahoe climber
climber
Davis these days
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Dec 24, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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black diamond squall
best 4th season tent i've owned and roomy
bought 'cause 3 season tents didn't cut the mustard
tc
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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Dec 24, 2011 - 08:32pm PT
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avoiding the never ending gear discussion of best tents, for which I am normally a sucker, here's a link for the current self made gear hounds:
http://www.oregonphotos.com/Frostline1.html
H found a Frostline bag at a gear sale and snapped it up.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Dec 24, 2011 - 09:22pm PT
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4 Season tents are vital for camping in snowstorms and high wind positions.
3 Season tents will collapse or flap badly.
I only have experience with the earlier version of the REI brand of 3-Man/4-Season. Works fine. It's about 9 pounds. Really comfortable for 2 people.
Here is the current version: http://www.rei.com/product/739349/rei-mountain-3-tent
Dirt baggers just dig a snow cave. They are cheaper but require some time and work. Plus you have to have a shovel. Lot's of cheap plastic ones out there this year. They work fine if you are careful with them.
So, where are you taking this tent?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 24, 2011 - 10:31pm PT
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A lot depends on how good, or bad, a job you doing pitching the tent. A well pitched three season tent may do better in adverse conditions than a poorly pitched four season. And pitching tents is something of a science and art.
A true four season tent for two or more people almost always has four (or more) criss-cross aluminum alloy poles (7000 series), poles that thread mostly through fabric rather than mesh, heavier and more heavily-coated fabric (especially the floor and lower walls), a fly that goes to the ground or nearly so, two doors, and a full vestibule. Plus a lot of minor features that combine to make it more robust and habitable in rough conditions, if properly erected.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Dec 24, 2011 - 10:54pm PT
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Maybe the correct term ought to be "winter tent" or the "fourth season tenth". Right on Lolli.
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bmacd
Mountain climber
100% Canadian
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Dec 25, 2011 - 01:06am PT
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I just researched this subject and used Chris Mac's reviews, very helpful. So I replaced my aging North Face Evolution 45 with the Mt Hardware Trango 3.1 @46 sq ft. 600 bucks from back country.com
I use the winter tents for car camping in the summer, as well as the intended use of winter backcountry in the winter. Thread the first 2 poles thru the clips rather than clippety clip.
The 4 man Trango is only one pound heavier than the 3 man, and that will hardly slow your snowmobile down at all
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 25, 2011 - 01:59am PT
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Coo-coo-ca-chhhooooooo!!!
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Dec 25, 2011 - 04:58am PT
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just get a 3 season tent and carry a wood stove,
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mark
climber
san diego, ca
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Dec 27, 2011 - 05:31pm PT
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http://slingfin.com/Depends on what you are doing but a friend of mine used a tent from www.Slingfin.com on Denali last season and it was the best he has used...
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johngenx
climber
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Dec 28, 2011 - 01:22am PT
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I got a great deal on a Black Diamond Squall, and I've been pretty impressed. It's damned roomy for a three person and easily handled any weather I've exposed it to, including Columbia Icefields and other Canadian Rockies stuff.
I have a BD Firstlight. Ridiculously light, but not much room. Not a base camp tent by any stretch.
Hillebergs and stupid strong and tremendous tents.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 28, 2011 - 04:02am PT
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Stephensons or stupid .. your choice. It's that simple.
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laughingman
Mountain climber
Seattle WA
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Dec 28, 2011 - 05:50am PT
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Find a used North Face VE25 or a Hilleberg tent.
Also if you can find one "redfox" (russian tent brand) are well priced and generally super bomber. Many hardcore russian alpinist use redfox tents.
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Bargainhunter
climber
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Dec 28, 2011 - 05:58am PT
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I agree with the North Face VE-25. Perfected over decades, heavy but roomy and strong. I've used them on multiple trips in Alaska and was comfortable while others in lighter tents (e.g. Bibler equivalents) seemed to suffer from lack of space, had to put on boots outside, no vestibule to cook in, etc. They looked miserable to save a few pounds of carrying weight.
For lighter winter trips I use an old 3 hoop Sierra Designs Superflash (similar design to the old Northface Westwind)...strong in winds and heavy snowloads; I often just take poles and the fly if I don't anticipate a ton of snow and spendrift. In really cold weather (e.g. Denali) heavy packs aren't a pain, they keep you warm.
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JimC
climber
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Dec 28, 2011 - 09:04am PT
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I'm on my second VE-25 in 30 years! Literally wore out the floor in the first one and the NF replaced it at wholesale cost. I use it year round with no problems and when it hits the fan I don't even think about it blowing down or leaking. At 11# and change complete there are times and places I don't pack it along but as a base or extended stay tent it rocks.
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DS66
Mountain climber
Dislocated
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2011 - 11:22am PT
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Thanks for all the feedback. I had forgotten about the Northface ve 25. I like the idea that Hilleberg appears to be really well made and not made in China. Is there any American Made companies still around. Not ultra nationalistic just a pet peev. Also like the idea of things not so super massed produced which I guess everything is to some degree nowadays. Will chaeck out "Redfox"
Thanks again,
Dan
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Dec 28, 2011 - 11:50am PT
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I was happy to see that REI has a new tent that is light like a summer tent, but without all the mosquito net in the walls. You can actually zip the thing up tight when it gets cold. Not built for high winds though.
http://www.rei.com/product/794287/rei-cirque-asl-2-tent
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 30, 2011 - 04:33am PT
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Did I mention stephensons you goofballs.
Best there is.
Best.
Incase you don't comprehend english.
Best means everything else sucks.
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