Wings of Steel - A confession-ALL with an olive branch

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j-tree

Big Wall climber

Classroom to crag to summer camp

Dec 11, 2011 - 07:41pm PT

I would watch the WOS musical over and over until Glee did their own version of it.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Denver, CO

Dec 11, 2011 - 08:27pm PT

Paul, thank you very much for your post. And you are being kind to call some of my rants "tenacity". SO hard to know where to draw the line, and, at some point early on, I decided to err on the side of being as "in the face" of the "strangers" as people had been in our faces. I am SURE that I at times crossed the best possible line and did err. But most people kept an open enough mind anyway that the truth could ultimately find acceptance. I am honestly humbled by that and thank people for putting up with some of my more vociferous rants. But, bottom line, is that what Steve has done here is magnificent, and it's an honor to receive and accept such an honorable apology. To me, what Steve has done is the focus of this thread. I do, however, very much appreciate your post.

Chief

climber

The NW edge of The Hudson Bay

Dec 11, 2011 - 08:52pm PT

There's no better feeling that fixing something broken and building bridges where there's nothing but burnt pilings.
A bit dramatic as usual but way more edifying that a lot that's said around here.
Nice work Steve, Richard and Mark.

This tune seems aproppriate.

http://youtu.be/3Eb_UXDxUbs

Peace

Oxymoron

Big Wall climber

total Disarray

Dec 11, 2011 - 08:58pm PT

You are correct, Wyna. That changes nothing.
Fair does not matter, except to the likes of us.
Feel better?
BTW, I like Shipoopi, nevertheless. But then, for me, he's a man, not a disembodied voice that may or not in fact be one.
Unlike most of you.

Gary

climber

That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down

Dec 11, 2011 - 09:00pm PT

Steve Schneider,

Never met you, probably never will, but no matter what might have happened years ago, it takes a big man to write what you did.

That's hellacool, dude.

survival

Big Wall climber

A Token of My Extreme

Dec 11, 2011 - 09:21pm PT

Steve has more class than his main detractor, MTucker.

TruDat. And Mucker doesn't even have the balls to tell us who he is and whether he climbs anything harder than his couch, or anything at all.

Many many of us on here have partners on ST, Folks that we've climbed with and can attest to who we are.

At least we know what kind of stuff Steve has climbed....

YoungGun

climber

North

Dec 11, 2011 - 10:42pm PT

What Gary said.

And I respect Steve all the more for his climbing achievements after reading his opening post. Open and humble, and commendable for that.

And as far as shitty topics go, this one is pretty worthwhile.

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Ontario, Canada, eh?

Dec 13, 2011 - 09:47am PT

That was a very proud and runout send by Steve of a route that had been haunting him for three decades. It took a lot of courage to face down his fears and confront them head on.

There are comments above about "fairness", which is a relevant concept. Forgiveness is inherently "unfair", because it requires you to make the conscious decision to let someone off the hook - the very person who hurt you the most. It is a free gift to the one who did the hurting, a gift that can't be earned. But it also lets you off the hook, too, because it frees your heart from the burden of bitterness and unforgiveness.

For Mark and Richard to graciously forgive Steve proves that they not only talk the talk, they climb the climb.

I know the depths of the hurt for all involved, and how much healing will take place in their hearts.

Lots of nice warm squishy feelings here!

bvb

Social climber

flagstaff arizona

Dec 13, 2011 - 09:59am PT

Indeed. Insulin, anyone?

TwistedCrank

climber

Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom

Dec 13, 2011 - 10:23am PT

There is guilt and there is shame.

Steve will always be guilty for this one. He has carried the shame for almost 30 years - long enough for anyone to be burdened by something as ugly as shame, even for a hurtful prank spun from youthful folly.

The FAistas had and continues to have spine, the SA team proved that, and one of the antagonists showed class by stetching a hand out to close this silly but painful chapter in YV history.

Steve was always a standup guy to me. But that doesn't matter now, does it?

wbw

Trad climber

'cross the great divide

Dec 13, 2011 - 12:31pm PT

Climbing is hard, growing up is harder, and admitting mistakes that we made in the process is even more difficult.

Good on Steve for doing the right thing. I hope that all of the players in this drama get the acceptance and forgiveness that they need.

Tradboy

Social climber

Valley

Dec 13, 2011 - 02:32pm PT

Why is Steve getting all the attention here? How about every last motherf*#ker who gave Richard and Mark sh#t for the last 30 years apologize. The local mob mentality that caused all the Valley locals to vilify these guys before they started their climb still exists in many places. It's one of the sadder things about the climbing community.

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Ontario, Canada, eh?

Dec 13, 2011 - 02:38pm PT

Have you read all the posts above? Actually, a few others have also apologized to Mark and Richard. :) Of course you'll never get every last one, but there has definitely been a lot of really positive progress made.

survival

Big Wall climber

A Token of My Extreme

Dec 13, 2011 - 02:41pm PT

Sorry guys. Even tho I can't remember slamming them at all.

I was in the USAF, so wasn't around for the feeding frenzy.

lightninglycett

climber

Dec 13, 2011 - 04:10pm PT

Wow, good job steve, I hope I don't have to apologize for letting the air out of your tires that night.

the kid

Trad climber

fayetteville, wv

Dec 13, 2011 - 04:12pm PT

way to go Steve. You have always been a class act in my mind,
Takes balls to fess up here.
Kurt

bvb

Social climber

flagstaff arizona

Dec 13, 2011 - 04:26pm PT

Good job Steve. It's our secrets that make us sick.

Takes balls to fess up here.

OK then, here goes: I killed Jimmy Hoffa.

neversummer

Trad climber

30 mins. from suicide USA

Dec 13, 2011 - 04:33pm PT

Good on you for fessin' up....
...while were at it i once put some cat shite in my brothers cargo pocket on his shorts that he wore to school..he didnt find it for 6 hrs....im goin' to hell.