LED lites: curse of the modern age

Yes, expensive for now up front (they don't have to be really, the price should be coming down) but they will last much longer than any CFLs.

Federal legislation




In December 2007, many of these state efforts became moot when the federal government enacted the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which requires all general-purpose light bulbs that produce 310–2600 lumens of light[33] be 30% more energy efficient (similar to current halogen lamps) than then-current incandescent bulbs by 2012 to 2014. The efficiency standards will start with 100-watt bulbs in January 2012 and end with 40-watt bulbs in January 2014.

Light bulbs outside of this range are exempt from the restrictions. Also exempt are several classes of specialty lights, including appliance lamps, rough service bulbs, 3-way, colored lamps, stage lighting, and plant lights.

By 2020, a second tier of restrictions would become effective, which requires all general-purpose bulbs to produce at least 45 lumens per watt (similar to current CFLs). Exemptions from the Act include reflector flood, 3-way, candelabra, colored, and other specialty bulbs.[34]

Russ, many LEDs are manufactured in China only because the Repukes made off-shoring so advantageous to profit margins. But you might want to re-examine your statement that they are all made there.

We are still a decade behind the Europeans in the use of them.

As usual, blurring goes for a personal attack instead of getting into an intellectual discussion. Poor blurring, he can't win either.

Love Gas, as a artist and lighting designer....

Two words on LED's: SCAM.

Rather than spewing uninformed opinion why not try disproving even one of those points.

"The scienece is settled, and there's a consensus!!"

Anthropomorphic Global Warming prophets

an·thro·po·mor·phic   [an-thruh-puh-mawr-fik] Show IPA
adjective
1.
ascribing human form or attributes to a being or thing not human, especially to a deity.
2.
resembling or made to resemble a human form: an anthropomorphic carving.

What "science" is that Blew? "Intelligent Design" the religious gospel of pseudo-science?

A tachometer (revolution-counter, Tach, rev-counter, RPM gauge) is an instrument measuring the rotation speed of a shaft or disk, as in a motor or other machine.[1] The device usually displays the revolutions per minute (RPM) on a calibrated analogue dial, but digital displays are increasingly common. The word comes from Greek Ταχος, tachos, "speed", and metron, "to measure".

Klimmer the latest PV technology takes a trickle charge for electrolysis to charge up a hydrogen cell for night time use. It is very cool stuff that is available NOW!

The Energy Independence & Security Act.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/13/business/energy-environment/republicans-fail-to-annul-new-light-bulb-law.html

The standards were part of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, a broad update of the country’s energy policy signed into law by President George W. Bush. Thirty-six House Republicans voted for the standards in an amendment offered by Representative Fred Upton, Republican of Michigan.

“This common-sense, bipartisan approach partners with American industry to save energy as well as help foster the creation of new domestic manufacturing jobs,” Mr. Upton said in a December 2007 statement. He is now chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/street-lights-that-spy-on-you/

Really, who cares about the particulars.

Once the electrical power reaches my home every single watt is converted in the end, with 100% efficiency, into heat.

It doesn't matter if it spends a brief moment as light illuminating the room or not.

I, like most other people out there, am quite capable of making those choices carefully. If you think politicians make better choices with your money than you can yourself, well, your ideology has arrived.

If you don't like what's being served up, cook yourself:
http://www.livescience.com/7060-light-bulb.html

What's to debate? On one side there are actual users who are getting gouged and then are upset because they are looking like alien autopsy victims bathed in the unflattering Chinese light... Then on the other side are salesmen, artists, and wire pullers with an agenda.

I just want a good American made bulb that I am free to choose and is not mandated by the Govt. Is that so wrong or hard?

I don't live in Florida. I don't have an air conditioner. I know that if I lived there I might make different choices in lighting. But I don't.

And that is my point.

It is old news from the drones.

Yeah, but how do they compare with incandescants? WTF is wrong with them???

The CFL bulb is a typical excercise in liberal do-gooding and doing very badly in the end.

F*#king pinkos!

Good decisions that I can make are absolutely no business of you or anyone else.

You are arguing over the patriotism of a consumer good as if it defines the ground and people who walk it.

With more widespread use, the LED technology will become much better, and much cheaper, as we have found with most technology.

This is a funny thread.

To say this is about energy use is a red herring. We got plenty of energy at our disposal. Save your 'patriotic' crap for idiots. A real 'patriot' would endorse flipping the Arabs off and drilling off our coasts.

Being deliberately obstinate is another thing entirely.
These nay-sayers to progress would still be driving horse drawn wagons on dirt roads if not for the progressive minds who move society forward in-spite of the kicking screaming heel draggers.

When it does I may CHOOSE to use it. Until then I'D LIKE TO USE ANY F*#KING BULB I WANT!!!

What three wars related to the issue of OIL are you referring to Ken M?

Ken M wrote:
Actually, there is no evidence that supports your theory of a [Iraq] war of plunder. I don't think it was done for that reason, but for ideology, and "spreading democracy".

Ken M replied:
Uhhhhh......where's the oil? I mean, oil is pretty hard to hide, particularly in large quantities.

You have a theory, sure, but where is your EVIDENCE. let's see your citations.

Up here, when you buy an LED bulb, or indeed almost anything with significant environmental impact and/or that's hard to recycle, there's a return handling fee included. Batteries, tires, appliances, and on and on. You pay the fee on buying the product, and it's used to keep open a network of places you can return the stuff to, or have it returned to.

It's sort of an elaboration on our well-established bottle/can return and recycle program, the difference being that with bottles and cans, the places that seel them must take them back, whereas for enviro stuff, it goes to a more central place.

IIRC, you can put some of the stuff out with your blue box recycling, but nothing that might perturb the dainty garbagemen.

We could realize a savings of roughly 30% in our electricity bill by going to all LED lighting, and save on bulb replacement... it is not insignificant.

A comparison of different lighting options can be found at the DOE web site:
http://www.energysavers.gov/your_home/lighting_daylighting/index.cfm/mytopic=12030

Honda reveals new solar hydrogen charger

Category: Fuel Cell Vehicles Hits (1092)
Friday, January 29, 2010


Designed to fit in a garage, the charger can refuel a fuel cell electric vehicle eight hours overnight with around 0.5
kilograms of hydrogen. Photo from Businesswire.
Fuel cell electric vehicles can now use Honda’s solar hydrogen charging station prototype to recharge for the daily commute, approximately 10,000 miles per year.

Designed to fit in a garage, the charger can refuel a fuel cell electric vehicle eight hours overnight with around 0.5 kilograms of hydrogen.

Conventional solar hydrogen chargers required both an electrolyzer, a device that gathers hydrogen molecules from water, and a separate compressor unit to create high pressure hydrogen. The compressor is said to be the most expensive component in the device and also reduces system efficiency.

For its new charging station, Honda re-engineered the electrolyzer to eliminate the compressor and drive down costs and size while improving system efficiency by more than 25 percent.

Users can refill their vehicle overnight using less expensive off-peak electrical power, eliminating the need for hydrogen storage. During daytime peak power times, the smart grid-compatible charging station can export the electricity produced from its 6-kilowatt solar panels to the grid.

The array utilizes thin-film solar cells produced by Honda Soltec Company, a subsidiary of Honda.

In addition, the new charging station complements Honda’s FCX Clarity electric vehicles. With fast public charging stations for longer trips and the prototype’s nighttime slow charging for homes, the fuel cell vehicle will be more flexible on the road.

The solar hydrogen station is housed at Honda R&D Americas Inc. in Los Angeles.

How did we get from being environmentalists to being whining crybabies, whining up a storm about being made to use something that has incredible environmental impact.

some of these people were never envirnomentalists (sic)

and they were just cry babies all along

The whole Grid efficiency issue is a non starter as there is little future reason for centralized production and long distance delivery of electrical energy. Most electricity will be produced and consumed locally in a clean and sustainable manner. Thus the grid will be irrelevant soon enough.