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rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jan 17, 2014 - 04:03am PT
we gotta look and they gotta do it right

win win

regulation is simply law and order

job creation!


dirtbag

climber
Jan 17, 2014 - 04:26am PT
No one is a "fan" of regulations per se. But they are often necessary.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 17, 2014 - 09:41am PT
What is wrong with our GOVT these days????



Ill tell you~~~~























This mornings headline at KOLO is: "Gov Sandoval millions of DOLLARS ahead for his re-election bid"
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 17, 2014 - 09:47am PT
Ron, WE are the Government, WE are the problem.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 17, 2014 - 09:49am PT
Ohhhhw i KNOW THAT Philo, and concur 1000%.



we NEED,, no HAVE TO HAVE,, CAMPAIGN REFORMS........
jstan

climber
Jan 17, 2014 - 09:57am PT
Ron is doing a Hillary. Wow!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 17, 2014 - 10:01am PT
We HAD campaign reform, paltry that it was.

Then we had the Repugs decide that MONEY=speech, and it could not be controlled.

I much, much prefer the rules in England, where there are strict rules on who can campaign, the dollars spent, and there is only campaigning allowed something like 45 days before the election.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 17, 2014 - 10:09am PT
Credit: philo
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 17, 2014 - 10:55am PT
Boy, if we could just get rid of the ability of all those with which we disagree to spread their opinions, the world would be perfect!

John
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 17, 2014 - 10:59am PT
I disagree...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 17, 2014 - 11:07am PT
We HAD campaign reform, paltry that it was.

Then we had the Repugs decide that MONEY=speech, and it could not be controlled.

I much, much prefer the rules in England, where there are strict rules on who can campaign, the dollars spent, and there is only campaigning allowed something like 45 days before the election.

Agreed but here it will take a constitutional amendment, not a fiat of parliament. So sayeth the Supreme Court.

Something simple like 'money does not equal speech.' Allowing corporations to buy elections is beyond the pale of democracy.

It is the foundation of empire.

DMT
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 17, 2014 - 11:42am PT
I respectfully disagree, DMT. We don't allow anyone to "buy" elections by purchasing services that disseminate their message. We allow incumbents to buy elections by using tax dollars to pay those who will vote to keep the incumbents in power.

All the crying over Citizens United is nothing more than griping that the other side gets its message out more frequently than it would if it could not purchase the means of spreading its message.

Just as a reminder, the plaintiff in Citizens United was a nonprofit corporation. The dissent in that case had to argue that a group of people acting together could not pool their resources to disseminate their message while, at the same time, arguing that if the group of people happened to own a paper or broadcast license, they could disseminate any message they wanted. The dissent then had to fit that into the First Amendment, which reads in its entirety:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It wasn't the SCOTUS that invented this restriction, it was the people who adopted the Constitution. It saddens me to see how quickly we would abandon free speech to expedite the victory of our ideological allies.

John
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 17, 2014 - 11:43am PT
It's easy to say we should take money out of politics.

It's not so easy to define exactly what that means.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 17, 2014 - 11:57am PT
Well ok then John,

can I invite you to post your argument AGAINST Citizens United?

you know, the other side that you so carefully examined and reasoned out before you took your opposite position?

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 17, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
We don't allow anyone to "buy" elections by purchasing services that disseminate their message.

I find that to be an incredible statement. That's exactly what we allow.

DMT
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 17, 2014 - 12:37pm PT
My argument against Citizens United, Norton? You mean the alleged reasoning of the dissent?

I could summarize the dissent's argument: a careful examination of the Constitution reveals that its authors never contemplated the existence of corporations that would want to disseminate a message, therefore [sic] abridging the ability of a corporation to send forth its message is not an abridgment of freedom of speech.

Oh, and don't bother us with opposite precedents such as New York Times v. Sullivan. In that case, it was our side that was getting its message out, so of course no one can hamper that activity. And for heaven's sake, let's not discuss the lines of cases holding that a content-dependent restriction or speech requires particularly strict scrutiny. After all, even though McCain-Feingold explicitly dealt only with political content that attempted to influence the outcome of elections, the restrictions were really content-neutral.

After all, you wouldn't want freedom of speech to allow someone to convince someone else how to vote, would you?

In a way, the dissent reminds me of the arguments one would need to make to explain that all other heavenly bodies revolve around the earth. The sun and moon have one kind of orbit, and the stars a slightly different orbit. The planets have an orbit that contains lots of loops, and comets are even more bizarre. The twists and turns contained in the dissent -- needed to try to evade the plain language of the First Amendment -- belie any claim to logic.

John
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 17, 2014 - 12:40pm PT
I just remembered why I did not choose law as a profession.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 17, 2014 - 12:40pm PT
Every one of those issues shall be a non issue once TRU and thorough campaign reforms are achieved. Its the plug that needs pulling to drain the backed up sewer.

Nipping the corruption bud of politics HAS to start with the campaign...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jan 17, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
Look at this guy.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/gop-congressional-candidate-richard-dick-black-spousal-rape-not-a-crime
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 17, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
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