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Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 20, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
I don't see the Democrats threatening to Shut Down The Government if they don't get their way
I don't see the Democrats taking away the Food stamps for 4 million people.
I don't see the Democrats sabotaging the Country and keeping the Government from creating millions of jobs overnight

This, I believe, Dr. F, is because the Democrats today, as in the '30s, think that capitalism is a viable system that can work for all.

The Republican of today believes this whole house of cards is about to collapse, so they are grabbing all the loot they can before they jump out of the burning house.

The Republicans are correct in their analysis. However, their course of action sucks.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 20, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
Ron,

Why are engineers bailing? Why are airline pilots bailing? Plumbers? Tool and die makers?

Because the baby boomers, the largest cohort/generation in the working age population are retiring, in huge numbers. Because they are old.

The plural of anecdote is not data. Maybe your clinic-owning doc is 60, has made his nest egg, and would rather be on the golf course. Maybe he decided to move to Palm Spring where there is a large amount of old dadz needing health care, who also happen to be wealthy enough to pay top dollar for it, rather than stay in Knee Vad Ur and serve a broke ass population.

Down to two brain cells, Anderson, at least they can keep each other company.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
Ron,

You are correct that hospitals everywhere are bracing for major changes in medicare, in particular, that are likely to have a significant effect on the way that they collect money.

Problem is, it has nothing to do with Obamacare. It has to do with the changes that are occuring in Medicare outside of that program.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 21, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:10am PT
obamacare saves money by limiting health care, says....

















wait for it...
















the new york times?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/23/health/lower-health-insurance-premiums-to-come-at-cost-of-fewer-choices.html?_r=0
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:30am PT
Hook Worm! I never would have guessed you were a fan of the NYT editorial board!

You'll love this one. This time it is a glowing recommendation of our Neo-con Dominionist Canadian government and their deft embrace of science..... where have we heard that before?



EDITORIAL | NOTEBOOK
Silencing Scientists
By VERLYN KLINKENBORG
Published: September 21, 2013

Over the last few years, the government of Canada — led by Stephen Harper — has made it harder and harder for publicly financed scientists to communicate with the public and with other scientists.

It began badly enough in 2008 when scientists working for Environment Canada, the federal agency, were told to refer all queries to departmental communications officers. Now the government is doing all it can to monitor and restrict the flow of scientific information, especially concerning research into climate change, fisheries and anything to do with the Alberta tar sands — source of the diluted bitumen that would flow through the controversial Keystone XL pipeline. Journalists find themselves unable to reach government scientists; the scientists themselves have organized public protests.

There was trouble of this kind here in the George W. Bush years, when scientists were asked to toe the party line on climate policy and endangered species. But nothing came close to what is being done in Canada.

Science is the gathering of hypotheses and the endless testing of them. It involves checking and double-checking, self-criticism and a willingness to overturn even fundamental assumptions if they prove to be wrong. But none of this can happen without open communication among scientists. This is more than an attack on academic freedom. It is an attempt to guarantee public ignorance.

It is also designed to make sure that nothing gets in the way of the northern resource rush — the feverish effort to mine the earth and the ocean with little regard for environmental consequences. The Harper policy seems designed to make sure that the tar sands project proceeds quietly, with no surprises, no bad news, no alarms from government scientists. To all the other kinds of pollution the tar sands will yield, we must now add another: the degradation of vital streams of research and information.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:40am PT
Bookworm the liar, never skips a chance to state something wrong.

The article does NOT state that Obamacare saves money by limiting healthcare.

It states that the PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY saves money by restricting access to the number of physicians to which you have access.

So everything bad that the liar fears, comes from the system he loves so much.

But because he is a troll, you will never see him come out and defend his position. Just another grenade thrown into the tank.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 23, 2013 - 10:06am PT
Hookie-post-and-Run, Here's another great commie journal with some more who needs data we got dogma journalism. Your cuntry this time.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/09/austerity-reinhart-rogoff-stimulus-debt-ceiling

below, from the comments section, pretty much sums up the right wing attitude to science and statistics, with a reply that illustrates what replaces it:

Stoneyjack • 7 hours ago
We don't need charts & graphs to understand that liberal socialists want to tax, spend, & print money, while common-sense conservatives believe in fiscal prudence and personal responsibility, with as little government meddling as possible.
4 28 •Reply•Share ›

StevenAK Stoneyjack • 6 hours ago
Yeah, right. As W used to say, "I feel it in my gut."
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 23, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
GOP Government Shutdown Deadline In One Week
If you hate the President, what else can you do except shut Down America to make your pathetic BS point

Or just say you would rather drive the County off a Cliff, than compromise with sanity.

Credit: Dr. F.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/23/mitch-mcconnell-ted-cruz-obamacare_n_3977222.html?ref=topbar
jghedge

climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
Hahahahaha - more irrefutable proof of how totally wrong repubs were, are, and always will be.


Union Push for I.P.O. Forces Filing at Chrysler

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/09/23/chrysler-files-for-an-i-p-o


The United Automobile Workers health care trust has the legal right to cash in a large part of its 41.5 percent stake in Chrysler, which is a legacy of a deal brokered in 2009 by the Obama administration’s auto task force. At the time, the deal was seen as a last effort to save the faltering automaker, while preserving peace with the U.A.W.

Now, with profits flowing again and the trust in need of cash, it has formally requested that Chrysler register for a public offering covering about 16 percent of the company’s overall shares. The offering is another sign of how Chrysler — like General Motors — has recovered since the bailout. In the case of G.M., the Treasury Department is continuing to sell its ownership position, and now owns less than 8 percent of the company’s stock.

The Chrysler offering, however, is not supported by Sergio Marchionne, the chief executive of Fiat and Chrysler and the architect of the American company’s revival.

Mr. Marchionne is eager to merge the companies into an international auto giant. To do so, he needs to acquire the trust’s entire 41.5 percent stake.

But the gap between what Fiat wants to pay for the shares and what the trust’s administrators say they are worth is wide. After months of unsuccessful negotiations, the trust wants to establish the shares’ value in the stock market — and reap a windfall for part of its stake.

“It’s a very, very high-stakes battle going on here,” said Harley Shaiken, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley. “Both sides are being quite strategic, and we’ll see how it plays out.”


Got it, repub idiots? "The trust wants to establish the shares’ value in the stock market."

Ooooooohhh, socialism!!!!!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!









Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Credit: Dr. F.
Credit: Dr. F.
Credit: Dr. F.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 23, 2013 - 07:41pm PT


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 23, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
Republicons are a threat to our nation...that's so true TGT...Have you changed sides...?
jghedge

climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
"Republicons are a threat to our nation...that's so true TGT...Have you changed sides...?"


Hahahaha, the most entertaining aspect of this thread, as I've always said, is when the wingnuts contradict and prove themselves wrong, but are too dumb to realize it.

Like the clowns they truly are.

When the president of Iran, and the Pope, are more moderate than your average wingnut...you know they're finished politically.
WTF

climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
Fact is I rarely engage with any Obama supporters unless I'm ordering large fries, or a burrito, or a pizza and now the elderly here on this thread who basically better have Obama care or their in deep sh#t apparently.



dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 23, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
I'm prepared to shed a few crocodile tears when supporters of the
Unaffordable-Care-Act pass because they just could not hang on
through the 39week wait to get in to see their doctor.


Its not a death panel but its the next best thing.

jghedge

climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
Hahahahaha - can't get enough of this story. THE UNION is insisting on free-market principles here, for a company that would have been sold for scrap metal to China had the repubs had their way.


Chrysler Steers Its Sales Momentum Toward Wall Street

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-09-23/chrysler-steers-its-sales-momentum-towards-wall-street?google_editors_picks=true


The chunk of Chrysler headed for Wall Street belongs to the United Auto Workers under its health-care trust, which was granted an ownership stake in the car maker’s 2009 bankruptcy. The IPO filing doesn’t list how much stock will be sold or at what price.

Fiat offered to buy the union’s stake—now at 41.5 percent of Chrysler—but the UAW has so far balked at the Italian company’s offers. The union is reportedly seeking $5 billion for its shares, and Fiat Chief Executive Officer Sergio Marchionne has suggested the group buy a lottery ticket if it wants to drum up that much cash. “The dialogue is going on,” Marchionne said last week. “We are not getting closer, but we keep on talking.”

A string of strong sales reports may have emboldened the union to try its luck on public markets. August was Chrysler’s best month for U.S. sales in almost five years. The company sold about 166,000 vehicles, including 4,200 Fiats—a 12 percent increase over the year-earlier period. With numbers like that, it’s easy for workers on the assembly line to dream of a stock market payday.



Priceless!!!


Can you imagine what will happen when the Union trust fund scores an IPO windfall? From a company the repubs wanted to scrap?








WTF

climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
My favorite Obama appearance last week at a Ford Factory talking about stimulus spending saving auto factories from closing.

Uh Ford took no stimulus and well do you really think Ford gives one crap about GM Surviving?

They are all clowns all of them this guys just the mouthpiece they put out to blah blah blah us to death.
jghedge

climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
"Uh Ford took no stimulus and well do you really think Ford gives one crap about GM Surviving?"


Hahahaha - which I'm sure their stockholders are just absolutely ecstatic about. GM stock is now double what Ford's is. I'm sure they're just ecstatic that Ford never took any stimulus.

Meanwhile THE UNION EMPLOYEES of Chrysler are forcing management to take the company public, after getting bailed out by Obama.



How much more ruined could you imagine the wingnut narrative of unions-as-socialism to be?

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