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Somewhere out there
Aug 9, 2014 - 04:05pm PT
Jingy (not jammer, the thin skinned guy) posted

 yes, and taking snipes at folks when they point out you f*#k up is a great way to change hearts and minds.... (forgive me for pointing this out)

Too bad that whole discussion was completely unnecessary...

Republicans still suck balls!!!

No hard feelings, I just wish you would not be so reactionary to my posts. This was not the first time :).

I would also add that the person who actually made the quote also constantly points out the hypocrisy of republicans in the way that you approve...

 Hate to say it, but not posting up the name of the person doesn't gain any points any better.... Looks to me like there is an issue...
Just know that you are the only one with the issue...

Wait, does this mean that I should stop posting up republican hypocrisy?

Again, republicans suck in general, I will provide evidence of this fact at some point...

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Dave Kos

Social climber
Aug 9, 2014 - 05:27pm PT

On a climbing site?

Trad climber
Aug 9, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
Martini, your party has all the manly dudes that start unnecessary wars. Lots of people die. Cool, huh?

Somewhere out there
Aug 9, 2014 - 07:02pm PT

 SMART PEOPLE DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN. Sorry, if you claim repub status, I have no alternative than to consider you ignorant.

 Listen to that one jackass making rhymes.... cute.... But then there's this......

 Right Wing Media - making money on an American tragedy $124 million's worth - and what good came of it?

This from Wkipedia (You repubs should be ashamed... you say you want to take America back to a better time... It could be there in a minute if you'd revert to your 1856 slogan/mindset)

Early Republican ideology was reflected in the 1856 slogan "free labor, free land, free men", which had been coined by Salmon P. Chase, a Senator from Ohio (and future Secretary of the Treasury and Chief Justice of the United States. "Free labor" referred to the Republican opposition to slave labor and belief in independent artisans and businessmen. "Free land" referred to Republican opposition to plantation system whereby slaveowners could buy up all the good farm land, leaving the yeoman independent farmers the leftovers. The Party strived to contain the expansion of slavery, which would cause the collapse of the slave power and the expansion of freedom.

We need a guy like this Salmon Chase guy in the republican party today...

Salmon Portland Chase (January 13, 1808 – May 7, 1873) was an American politician and jurist who served as U.S. Senator from Ohio and the 23rd Governor of Ohio[citation needed]; as U.S. Treasury Secretary under President Abraham Lincoln; and as the sixth Chief Justice of the United States[citation needed].

Chase articulated the "slave power conspiracy" thesis, devoting his energies to the destruction of what he considered the Slave Power[citation needed]—the conspiracy of Southern slave owners to seize control of the federal government and block the progress of liberty. He coined the slogan of the Free Soil Party, "Free Soil, Free Labor, Free Men". Chief Justice Chase presided over the Senate trial of Andrew Johnson during the President's impeachment proceedings in 1868.

But where can we find one of them today?
That guy would be hung by the current repub party.

Trad climber
Aug 10, 2014 - 01:39pm PT
Plenty of smart people vote Republican. You sound like you're trying to convince yourself, not other people.

Back to the Sarah Palin Channel, wherein the host desperately tries to hide some sort of pill addiction or progressive neurological disorder while belittling the working poor:


Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 10, 2014 - 02:02pm PT
I still don't get what attracts anyone to Palin and feel sorry for anyone that has to endure this has been politicians unsolicited views on American politics....Palin is painfully embarassing with the IQ of someone you'd see at a remote desert bar smoking a cig , missing teeth , and regurgitating Hillbilly wisdom...Can't she just go away...?

Aug 10, 2014 - 02:04pm PT

I STRONGLY posit that Sarah Palin is not currently enjoying the lime light (nor has she since her political roots back in Alaska) due to some kind of wealth of political skill...

Big Wall climber
Aug 10, 2014 - 02:24pm PT
Plenty of smart people vote Republican. You sound like you're trying to convince yourself, not other people.

jingy must sit all day thinking about how much he hates pubs!


johnny wrote
Palin is painfully embarassing with the IQ of someone you'd see at a remote desert bar smoking a cig , missing teeth , and regurgitating Hillbilly wisdom...Can't she just go away...?

you think Hillary is better looking than palin?


Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 10, 2014 - 04:59pm PT
Pyro...Hillarys got the brains and Sarahs got the looks...Sad commentary for our country that Palin came close to being in the white house....

Trad climber
Aug 10, 2014 - 05:17pm PT
I look forward to begrudgingly voting for Hillary in 2016. I definitely don't agree with all of her politics, she's probably closer to Bush than Obama when it comes to military interventionism and the Clinton brand of politics is one that's often quick to make a compromise on key issues in favor of a bigger deal (that often has some good things in it but lots of bad things too). I think she'll be an advocate and example for women that we desperately need as a country and she's far more likely to be far more competent at actually governing the country than anyone else being bandied about. We'll also get to hear John and bluering complain about Ben Ghazi for 8 years which I welcome whole heartedly.

East Bay, CA
Aug 10, 2014 - 05:31pm PT
That palin video can't be real??
Are you $hitting me? WTF was coming out of her mouth??

Glad to see a bit of a return to good 'ol republican bashin' in this thread instead of the petty back and forth BS. that $hit is killin' this thread.

Trad climber
Aug 10, 2014 - 05:47pm PT
Dr. Ben Carson understands the threats facing America today.


(video at the link)

Carson said Americans should educate themselves on the virus but said government health policy should be to protect the country against a “worst-case scenario.” An example of that scenario involved a hospital lab worker being bribed $1 million for access to urine that contains Ebola.

“Someone comes up to a lab worker,” Carson hypothesized, “He knows he’s got the urine; ‘How would you like to have a million dollars?’ A little transaction there…”

“Such things have been known to happen,” he said.

I will confirm that Ben Carson is right when he says that we aren't guarding against these kinds of "worst case scenarios." Call one hospital and ask them about the ebola urine for cash prevention program. They won't have one. Thanks, Obamacare.

Social climber
Aug 10, 2014 - 07:37pm PT
Plenty of smart people vote Republican.

name some, of the plenty

Trad climber
Aug 10, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
You guys, wake the f*#k up. It doesnt matter who you vote for. Its Hollywood, all outcomes are preordained.

Aug 11, 2014 - 05:42am PT
^^^^Except it's not. Sorry, but your narrative is overly-simplistic. Look at the divide on the Supreme Court: there's a reason why Democratic and Republican appointees write vastly different opinions.

Anyway, here's your morning Krugman, using reality to counter the Ayn Rand government-bashers. The only thing I would add is that with respect to tort reform as a solution for getting rid of government programs, it has been tried. Before there were pollution laws in place, citizens tried utilizing tort laws. It didn't work.


In the latest Times Magazine, Robert Draper profiled youngish libertarians — roughly speaking, people who combine free-market economics with permissive social views — and asked whether we might be heading for a “libertarian moment.” Well, probably not. Polling suggests that young Americans tend, if anything, to be more supportive of the case for a bigger government than their elders. But I’d like to ask a different question: Is libertarian economics at all realistic?

The answer is no. And the reason can be summed up in one word: phosphorus.

As you’ve probably heard, the City of Toledo recently warned its residents not to drink the water. Why? Contamination from toxic algae blooms in Lake Erie, largely caused by the runoff of phosphorus from farms.

When I read about that, it rang a bell. Last week many Republican heavy hitters spoke at a conference sponsored by the blog Red State — and I remembered an antigovernment rant a few years back from Erick Erickson, the blog’s founder. Mr. Erickson suggested that oppressive government regulation had reached the point where citizens might want to “march down to their state legislator’s house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp.” And the source of his rage? A ban on phosphates in dishwasher detergent. After all, why would government officials want to do such a thing?

An aside: The states bordering Lake Erie banned or sharply limited phosphates in detergent long ago, temporarily bringing the lake back from the brink. But farming has so far evaded effective controls, so the lake is dying again, and it will take more government intervention to save it.

The point is that before you rage against unwarranted government interference in your life, you might want to ask why the government is interfering. Often — not always, of course, but far more often than the free-market faithful would have you believe — there is, in fact, a good reason for the government to get involved. Pollution controls are the simplest example, but not unique.

Smart libertarians have always realized that there are problems free markets alone can’t solve — but their alternatives to government tend to be implausible. For example, Milton Friedman famously called for the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration. But in that case, how would consumers know whether their food and drugs were safe? His answer was to rely on tort law. Corporations, he claimed, would have the incentive not to poison people because of the threat of lawsuits.

So, do you believe that would be enough? Really? And, of course, people who denounce big government also tend to call for tort reform and attack trial lawyers.

First, it would be nice if some so-called libertarian would explain how you can have a 'free market' and capitalism without government...

"But libertarian visions of an unregulated economy do play a significant role in political debate, so it’s important to understand that...
I'm shocked!

More commonly, self-proclaimed libertarians deal with the problem of market failure both by pretending that it doesn’t happen and by imagining government as much worse than it really is. We’re living in an Ayn Rand novel, they insist. (No, we aren’t.) We have more than a hundred different welfare programs, they tell us, which are wasting vast sums on bureaucracy rather than helping the poor. (No, we don’t, and no, they aren’t.)
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I’m often struck, incidentally, by the way antigovernment clichés can trump everyday experience. Talk about the role of government, and you invariably have people saying things along the lines of, “Do you want everything run like the D.M.V.?” Experience varies — but my encounters with New Jersey’s Motor Vehicle Commission have generally been fairly good (better than dealing with insurance or cable companies), and I’m sure many libertarians would, if they were honest, admit that their own D.M.V. dealings weren’t too bad. But they go for the legend, not the fact.

Libertarians also tend to engage in projection. They don’t want to believe that there are problems whose solution requires government action, so they tend to assume that others similarly engage in motivated reasoning to serve their political agenda — that anyone who worries about, say, environmental issues is engaged in scare tactics to further a big-government agenda. Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee, doesn’t just think we’re living out the plot of “Atlas Shrugged”; he asserts that all the fuss over climate change is just “an excuse to grow government.”

As I said at the beginning, you shouldn’t believe talk of a rising libertarian tide; despite America’s growing social liberalism, real power on the right still rests with the traditional alliance between plutocrats and preachers. But libertarian visions of an unregulated economy do play a significant role in political debate, so it’s important to understand that these visions are mirages. Of course some government interventions are unnecessary and unwise. But the idea that we have a vastly bigger and more intrusive government than we need is a foolish fantasy.

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Aug 11, 2014 - 09:03am PT
Plenty of smart people vote Republican.

Of course, any owner or even employee of the huge companies that benefit from Republican policies. Short term benefits, achieved to the detriment of others, and society as a whole. Of course the Republicans hate Big Government, it's the only thing that can control Big Business.

Smart, but selfish and short-sighted. That's democracy for you.


Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 11, 2014 - 09:15am PT
The Republicans hardly have a monopoly on short-sightedness. The Dems continue to
support tax breaks for having umpteen children and churches.

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 11, 2014 - 09:37am PT
Of course the Republicans hate Big Government

HUH... when did that happen?

Not under Bush Or Bush or RAYGUN.

The last Republican president presided over a huge increase in government size and budget. Hell he added a whole new administrative department.

The ONLY time republicons support lower budgets is when they are trying to make a Democratic president look bad by hamstringing them.

This strategy was developed in the 70's

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 11, 2014 - 09:56am PT
Yes...it's comical watching the Repubs trying to prevent Obama from raising the national debt that the Repubs created ...Remember Clinton's surplus..?

STFU n00b!!!
Aug 11, 2014 - 10:30am PT

"...Remember Clinton's surplus..?"...

You mean the money the Republicans blew???...
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