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JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:04pm PT

Jul 28, 2014 - 01:48pm PT

Great. Now please join me in asking dirtbag nicely to take the image down so that future Supertopians will read this thread and say "jesus what the hell was that about?" . . .


Just kidding. No future Supertopians are ever going to read this thread.

They better read it and keep posting. Now that all the banned and deleted individuals' posts have been removed, post no. 50,000 on this thread is in play again.

John
jammer

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:10pm PT
jammer,

I think the most effective response to a politician with whom I disagree is to set forth the reason for the disagreement, and why I think the politician is wrong. Demeaning attacks may or may not entertain those with whom I agree, but they've never convinced anyone who is on the fence to support my position. They just make me look bad.

John

I think the most effective thing is the thing which will both grab a lot of attention and make people think about a real issue. That joke does a lovely job of both, so I endorse it. If there is a better way of grabbing American voters attention, I am all for hearing it. Unfortunately, data strongly suggests that "negative ads" and jokes like that are the ticket.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:12pm PT
Palin is hot!
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:16pm PT
No need to denigrate Palin. Just listen to her talk. She kicks her own ass every time she opens her mouth.

The Dem's are praying she runs again.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:19pm PT
^This is only a test^
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
Sketch they did a good job of evacuating the embassy!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:36pm PT
John posted
They better read it and keep posting. Now that all the banned and deleted individuals' posts have been removed, post no. 50,000 on this thread is in play again.

Oh so that's what happened. That sucks. That's a lot of missing content.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:42pm PT



Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands

Jul 28, 2014 - 02:32pm PT
So Sketch,

who do you like on the Republican ticket for President in 2016?

surely there is someone who you can relate to, that you agree with on the issues?

Ted Cruz maybe

Rand Paul?

No one, really.

Maybe Christie. I like his straightforward manner. But I don't know much about his views.

Then again, it's been a while since voted Republican for any national candidate.

What are your thoughts on Dirtbag's Palin cartoon?
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:49pm PT


Nice bit of propaganda.

How many of those 60 deaths were Americans?

How many involved American staff?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:53pm PT
Sketch posted
How many of those 60 deaths were Americans?

How many involved American staff?

So we don't need to protect people on American soil if they aren't American citizens?

To answer your question: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=us+embassy+deaths+under+george+bush
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 28, 2014 - 02:58pm PT
Excellent post HDDJ.

Thread drift is so f*#king awesome.

Clinton get's credit for 224 embassy deaths. Woo hoo!

Of course, Clinton's record and Bush's record are far different from the Benghazi killings.

But you knew that, didn't you?
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
Not surprising. Repub's have always said that if you're not a 'merican citizen, you don't count.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
How many of those 60 deaths were Americans?

I don't see how that makes a difference. Those killed were, to my knowledge, either embassy employees or people who were supposed to be there. Whether or not they were Americans, they were there legitimately because of the United States, and their death via terror was an outrage.

The Benghazi issue, however, has at least as much to do with whether the administration intentionally misled the American public, or just made a mistake. Yes, the POTUS is the commander-in-chief, and for that reason, Bush had the same responsibility for the safety of those at an American embassy during his presidency that Obama has now. I'm unaware of any facts that would suggest that the Bush administration misled the public about any attack on an American embassy, so the comparison based on the number of deaths misses the point.

John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
Sketch, sometimes your posts don't quite convey the message that you seem to think they do. It seems like there was a snappy point you had in your head that didn't quite make it into electrons.

In any case, any deaths in American Consulates/Embassies are a failure in some respect of our security and should be investigated and improved upon. The Benghazi attacks were thoroughly investigated, there were multiple reports that very clearly revealed errors and problems, people were held responsible and changes were made to improve security. Anyway, what's your point?


John posted
The Benghazi issue, however, has at least as much to do with whether the administration intentionally misled the American public, or just made a mistake. Yes, the POTUS is the commander-in-chief, and for that reason, Bush had the same responsibility for the safety of those at an American embassy during his presidency that Obama has now. I'm unaware of any facts that would suggest that the Bush administration misled the public about any attack on an American embassy, so the comparison based on the number of deaths misses the point.

The "Benghazi Issue" is about people not wanting to deal with the facts that they have before them because those aren't nearly as good as the possibility that there might be something more exciting. Bush never had to account for any of those deaths because it was just another shitty day in our shitty war and Republicans had control of both houses of congress basically the entire time. Without Issa holding perpetual hearings that he selectively releases information from to keep the intrigue going it's a perpetual media story.

If an embassy was attacked and ONLY 4 people were killed that would have been a pretty good day for the Bush presidency. I mean the number of deaths and massive security failures were pretty monumental.

Benghazi is a think because it keeps making money for Republican candidates and conservative media. It's also something they are hoping to keep alive to bludgeon Hillary with though at this rate I'm guessing that most people will be totally calloused to the issue by then.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 28, 2014 - 03:14pm PT
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA

Jul 28, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
Not surprising. Repub's have always said that if you're not a 'merican citizen, you don't count.

Especially all those kids down on southern border.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 28, 2014 - 03:21pm PT
[quote]Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands

Jul 28, 2014 - 03:14pm PT
Sketch asked me:

What are your thoughts on Dirtbag's Palin cartoon?

honestly, I don't give a damn

I get why Dirtbag posted it and I get why HDDJ believes it offensive

--


so you kind of like Chris Christie for President but don't know much about him, Sketch?

took me a half a second to find this to help you out on where he is on the issues:
http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Governor/New_Jersey/Chris_Christie/Views/[/quote]

It's telling how you get so butthurt over innocent questions, but are indifferent over misogynist cartoons.

What's your point about Christie? Are you butthurt (again) because of my indifference?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 03:25pm PT
I don't recall any strongly worded opinions about dirtbags' cartoon (or anything else really) from you either, Sketch.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 28, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
Sketch is the red headed stepchild of supertopo.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 28, 2014 - 07:47pm PT
Further, eastern Libya and Benghazi were key intelligence-gathering hubs for intelligence operatives. Before the attack, the CIA was monitoring Ansar al-Sharia and suspected members of Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, as well as attempting to define the leadership and loyalty of the various militias present and their interaction with the Salafi elements of Libyan society.[26] By the time of the attack, dozens of CIA operatives were on the ground in Benghazi.[31] In addition, it has been reported that in the summer of 2012, American Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) missions had begun to target Libyan militias linked to the Al-Qaeda network of Yasin al-Suri.[27]:58 By the time of the attack, a composite US Special Operations team with two JSOC members was already in Libya working on their mission profile independently of the CIA and State department operations.[27]:58[32]

Multiple anonymous sources reported that the diplomatic mission in Benghazi was used by CIA as a cover to smuggle weapons from Libya to anti-Assad rebels in Syria.[27]:56[31][33][34][35] Seymour Hersh cites a source among intelligence officials, saying The consulate’s only mission was to provide cover for the moving of arms. It had no real political role.

John, I'm not sure what you use as your criteria for blowing secret operations? Do you disclose this while there is still a significant possibility of sparking increased violence against Americans? Do you go with the official cover story created by the Special Operators?

In other words, do you support our servicemen, or throw them over the railing, in the interests of instantaneous full disclosure?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 29, 2014 - 04:47am PT
Going to Burning Man? Make sure to say hi to Grover Nordquist!

http://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/493860192426409985
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