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philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 3, 2013 - 11:21am PT
Just so we’re all on the same page here. Obama knocked $555 BILLION off of the deficit. That’s an entire third of the total deficit. That’s more than every president in the history of the country put together.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jul 3, 2013 - 11:55am PT
here is the only question worth considering
What would have Mitt Romney or McLame done that would have been better than what Obama has done?

Nothing,
or 100 times worse than what's going on now


 100 times worse for everyday man. But for their rich friends, things would have been much much better, I assure you. Jobs would have floated out of the country in an even greater pace than before.
CrackAddict

Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
Just so we’re all on the same page here. Obama knocked $555 BILLION off of the deficit. That’s an entire third of the total deficit. That’s more than every president in the history of the country put together.

When you quadruple the deficit, cutting it by 1/3 is no miracle pal.
CrackAddict

Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
here is the only question worth considering
What would have Mitt Romney or McLame done that would have been better than what Obama has done?

When you have to resort to this argument, you may as well admit Obama is a failure.
CrackAddict

Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
Step Two: Establish when the budget is passed – This is another deliberate lie the right LOVES to pass around. They would very much like you to believe that the 2009 budget with its record shattering $1.4 Trillion deficit was Obama’s. The reality is that budgets are passed and signed into law at the end of the year before. So the 2000 budget was signed into law by President Clinton and President Bush was stuck with it. In 2017, whoever takes the White House will have a budget signed into law in 2016 by the outgoing President Obama. Therefor, the 2009 budget was not “Obama’s,” it was Bush’s. If you need to prove this definitively, share this link to the CATO Institute. The CATO Institute is a respected but undeniably right-wing thing tank. The opening paragraph in their “About Us” section says: “The Cato Institute is a public policy research organization — a think tank – dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peace.” No one in their right mind can argue the CATO Institute is “liberal.” Yet they clearly state that the 2009 budget does not belong to Obama.

In other words, pin the Obama Stimulus ($700 Billion added to the deficit) on Bush's budget year so it appears you didn't raise the budget as much as you did.
jghedge

climber
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:24pm PT



OMG


jghedge

climber
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:24pm PT

IT IS...ALIVE


the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
Obama came into office a deficit of at least $1.3 trillion entirely from the Bush era. It's now $845 billion. So the deficit has been reduced 45% ($455 B)since Obama took office.

Of course some can't accept simple arithmetic if it conflicts with their world view.

Instead you have CrackAddict arithmetic: $1.3 Trillion + $0.1 Trillion (Obama stimulus) = Quadrupling the deficit. (not $1.4 Trillion)
jghedge

climber
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
"In other words, pin the Obama Stimulus ($700 Billion added to the deficit) on Bush's budget year so it appears you didn't raise the budget as much as you did."

Except, of course, no one's doing that. Bush left a $1.3T deficit - for your contention to hold water, you'd need to find someone who is making your claim - that the 2009 Bush deficit was $2T because the stimulus is being "pinned" onto Bush. No one is doing the pinning, though.


Welcome back, by the way.


jghedge

climber
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
"$1.3 Trillion + $0.1 Trillion (Obama stimulus)..."


$0.1 Trillion would be $100 billion, the stim was around $850 B


Still, that's not even doubling the deficit, let alone "quadrupling" it.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 3, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
850B = .85T

Also:

Pesky facts

Spending on the TARP program turned out to be much less than the $700 billion originally authorized. Congress later reduced the authorization to $475 billion in the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act that Obama signed on July 21, 2010. And not all was spent in 2009.

Actual outlays for TARP in fiscal 2009 totaled $154 billion, according to the CBO. So the one-time bump in spending amounted to about 4 percent of fiscal 2009 spending.

It’s true that money recovered since then is recorded as negative spending rather than as increased revenues. And that does artificially reduce Obama’s spending figures — but not by much.

TARP decreased federal spending by $108 billion in fiscal 2010 and $39 billion last year, according to the CBO. Those artificial reductions brought down federal spending by just 3 percent in fiscal 2010, and 1 percent in fiscal 2011. Even without those reductions, Obama’s spending increases wouldn’t come close to equaling the average annual increase under Bush.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 3, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
Morsy is out. Muslim Brotherhood pissed. Protestors pleased. Great times.
jghedge

climber
Jul 3, 2013 - 04:05pm PT

Just how low can the Republican party go?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/03/republican-party-demise-continues


What is the single most consequential political development of the past five years? Some might say the election (and re-election) of Barack Obama; others might point to the passage of the most important piece of social policy (Obamacare) since the 1960s; some might even say the drawing down of US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But in reality, it is the rapid descent of the Republican party into madness.

Never before in American history have we seen a political party so completely dominated and controlled by its extremist wing; and never before have we seen a political party that brings together the attributes of nihilism, heartlessness, radicalism and naked partisanship quite like the modern GOP. In a two-party system like America's, the result is unprecedented dysfunction.

Whether it was the promiscuous use of the filibuster and other blocking techniques in the Senate to stop President Obama's agenda; the manufactured fiscal crises highlighted by the disastrous debt limit showdown of 2011; or the unceasing efforts to undermine the economic recovery by blocking any and all measures to stimulate the economy, President Obama's first term was dominated by the Republican's unbridled obstructionism and disinterest in actually governing the country. That anything was accomplished is nothing short of a miracle.

But after the results of the 2012 election one might have expected the Republican fever to break and some level of sanity and good sense restored to the party of Lincoln.

Think again.

If anything, the first half of 2013 has seen the GOP continue its journey towards "peak awful". Go back to the beginning of the year. As millions of Americans were celebrating New Year's Eve, the Republicans were careening the country off the fiscal cliff because of their insistence that no rich person should ever pay a cent in higher taxes. The budgetary mania continued through the sequestration and refusal to compromise with President Obama even after he put the liberal sacred cow of Social Security on the table. Along the way Republicans foiled modest efforts at gun control, ginned up made-up scandals involving the IRS and the death of four Americans in Benghazi and couldn't actually be bothered with the difficult task of proposing public policy legislation. And after three years of complaining incessantly that Senate Democrats haven't passed a budget, key Republicans have spent the last 100 days obstructing the budget process.

But in the past few weeks things have actually gone from terrible to unimaginable. There's the GOP "Ebenezer Scrooge" Farm Bill, which would have cut food stamps by $20.5bn, causing nearly 2 million poor Americans to lose food assistance. As if that wasn't bad enough, the Republican House also passed an amendment to the bill that would force food stamp recipients to work in return for benefits, but provided no actual funds for job training. In fact, it even barred states from spending more money on employment and training. So if you're a poor person and you lose your job, you lose the government benefits that allow you to feed you family. This piece of monstrous legislative cruelty was supported by all but six House Republicans. Thankfully the larger bill failed, but Republican heartlessness has hardly been dimmed.

Across red state America, Republican legislators are doubling down on new abortion restrictions like those soon to become law in Wisconsin that would force women who want a constitutionally protected abortion to have, in some cases, a wand inserted into their vagina so they can see the fetus they are about to abort. In Ohio, the state recently enacted new anti-abortion laws that not only divert federal funds away from Planned Parenthood to anti-abortion "crisis pregnancy centers" where women are fed a witches brew of mistruths about the health risks of abortion.

Perhaps the worst case is in Texas, where a proposed law would ban any abortion after 20 weeks and allow precious few exceptions for the health of the mother or the condition of the fetus. So imagine if a woman goes in to see her doctor in the 21st week of her pregnancy and discovers that her baby is afflicted with a genetic anomaly. This is not a hypothetical since procedures like an amniocentesis are performed in the later stages of pregnancy and can detect such disorders. Under the Texas law, a woman would be forced to carry that baby to term. This is akin to state-sanctioned torture. And even if the woman's health were partially, but not severely at risk, abortions would be forbidden. Amazingly, this ban is actually more generous than the recent post-20 week abortion ban passed in the House of Representatives, which would have no exceptions except in the case of the life of the woman.

Texas legislators and Governor Rick Perry have defended these bans as part of their fierce regard and respect for human life. Unfortunately, that pro-life agenda is all too rarely applied to non-fetuses. For example, Texas also has one of the paltriest welfare programs in the US (recipients get less than $300 a month). The state has also consistently refused to take federal money to expand health insurance for children and Texas has joined two dozen other red states in refusing to take federal money to expand Medicaid for its poorest citizens.

The GOP's efforts to reject Medicaid expansion (which is a crucial part of Obamacare) are perhaps the best example of the Republican party's achievement of "peak awful". Even though under the provisions of the law the federal government would be picking up the tab for the first five years of the program and even though Republican governors like Rick Scott in Florida, Rick Snyder in Michigan and John Kasich in Ohio support the expansion, GOP legislators are balking. They plead fiscal rectitude as the root of their opposition (a fallacious claim) but in reality the opposition is yet another example of Republican psychosis about Obamacare. The decision to reject Medicaid money will not only increase the economic anxiety of potential recipients, it will harm mental health and literally cost lives. But such "humane" arguments have done little to shake GOP intransigence.

Indeed, Republicans on the national level are now doing everything in their power to ensure Obamacare fails. Just this past week, key GOP senators, after discovering that the Obama administration was working with major sports leagues to encourage people to sign up for coverage, wrote a stern letter threatening the leagues for partnering with the White House on a law that was passed along partisan lines and is "controversial". Hmm, wonder how that happened?

Now let's put aside for a second that Obamacare was passed by Congress and upheld by the US supreme court. Even if Republicans remain unhappy with the legislation it is the law of the land and its proper implementation is the responsibility of the federal government. But the GOP goal is not to make sure even what they believe to be a terribly flawed law works; it's to make sure it fails so that Democrats will be blamed and Republicans will reap the political benefit. That millions of Americans will be harmed and will suffer because of this narrow political agenda seems to be of little concern.

Then again, none of this should be a surprise to even sentient observers of American politics. In the narrow pursuit of political gain, Republicans have adopted an agenda that is quite simply, inhumane and cruel. Even if one is charitable and defends it on the ground of adherence to an ideological agenda of smaller, less intrusive government (except in the case of lady parts) it can't be defended. If one's ideological predisposition means denying food assistance to people who are laid off from their job or forcing a woman to carry a dead fetus to term or preventing individuals from getting health care coverage, then you have a monstrous ideology.

This is not meant as an indictment of all Republicans because it's very likely that many rank and file Republicans don't share these predispositions (though clearly some do). Rather it's an indictment of a once proud political party that is plumbing the depths of radicalism and nihilism and doesn't yet appear to have hit rock bottom.

J man

Trad climber
morgan hill
Jul 3, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
Cut n paste Democrats like this silly boy jbhedge have no clue.
jghedge

climber
Jul 3, 2013 - 04:51pm PT


"Cut n paste Democrats like this silly boy jbhedge have no clue."


Hahahaha, no wonder your party is spinning in the drain if you're any indication.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 3, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Cut n paste Democrats like this silly boy jbhedge have no clue.

oh, I'm your huckleberry

bring it on
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 3, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 3, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
Hey good news all you real American patriots, Turd Nugget says he wants to run for President.

July 3, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Ted Nugent says he's seriously considering run for president

The Detroit News

Ted Nugent listens as President Barack Obama delivers his State of the Union address before a joint session of Congress February 12 in Washington, D.C. (Mark Wilson/Getty Images)

Rock singer and gun-rights advocate Ted Nugent says he is seriously considering a run for president in 2016.

The part-time Michigan resident makes the revelation in a lengthy Washington Post profile in which he also claims to be toying with a potential campaign slogan: “Hi, I’m Ted Nugent. I have nine children from seven women, and I’m running for president.”

Nugent, also known as the Motor City Madman, has previously considered running for governor of Michigan, but decided against it. He has a hunting ranch in Jackson County and a cabin in Lake County, but his full-time residence is in Texas near Waco.

“He’s talked about it before,” wife Shemane told the Post about a presidential campaign. “But this time he seems more serious. People are constantly asking him to run.”

Nugent called President Barack Obama “the ultimate scam artist” after his February State of the Union address. The Michigan native was a State of the Union guest of U.S. Rep. Steve Stockman, a Texas Republican who also is a former Metro Detroiter. He used his visit to the Capitol to criticize gun control measures.

“I’m in the belly of the beast,” Nugent told The Detroit News during his Capitol visit, “where bureaucrats and deceptive wranglers have incrementally chipped away at the American dream.”

Nugent defended guns rights and opined on other issues as a contributor to the Michigan View, a now-defunct online conservative commentary website for The Detroit News.

Nugent was in the national spotlight during last year’s presidential election when he told the National Rifle Association’s annual convention in St. Louis, “if Barack Obama becomes the president in November again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”

The comments resulted in the Secret Service questioning Nugent and then pronouncing the issue resolved without further action.

Nugent admits in the Post piece that he doesn’t think he would win the presidency. But it doesn’t keep him from sharing his opinions.

“Things are just so wrong in the country now,” Nugent told the Post. “And I know that my answers would make things wonderful, unless you just refuse to produce, and then I’d recommend that you move to Canada. Or Illinois.”



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130703/ENT09/307030101#ixzz2Y3LcpEhQ



Now Chaz, Hawkeye, TGT and Bluering can have a "Real" American to vote for. Oh what a wonderful world it could be.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 3, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
i should have shot that jackass in the back the last time i got flown private to that ranch where my employer was sucked into speaking their french
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 4, 2013 - 07:23am PT
preach it brother!
fish harper
fish harper
Credit: rSin
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