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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 31, 2013 - 10:32am PT
Look Dr. F theirs an old saying "all politics are local"and another "people vote their pocketbook". If you examine and truly understand those statements you can explain the motivation for how a good 80% of the voting populace casts ballots for their choice. You- i don't have to know anything about you other than your statements to surmise that the odds are greatly in favor of you being a long term government employee or an entrepeneur or employee of an organization dependent on government largesse for their existence. You can likewise examine my statements and determine that i have been self employed and avoiding government most of my life.

I also surmise you are a californian (thats on your forum letterhead), probably from one of the rat race population centers where competition is stiff and the denizens develop a myopic view point which deludes them into thinking they are at the center of the universe. With this kind of view point people become stuck and rather than voting with their feet to pursue better opportunity elsewhere would rather become bitter vegetables constantly complaining that the system is unjust and rigged against them- in other words they don't take responsibility for their own life and welfare.

In my life i have been at every economic station from homeless climber to considerable wealth. I've done this on my own, no the government didn't build the road ahead of me or provide much of anything to make that happen,instead by being steadfastly self reliant i developed the motivation and acquired the knowledge to direct my own destiny. The funny thing, you say it is well nigh impossible, a very good percentage of the people i have met on my journey likewise accomplished what they have set out to do starting from scratch and independent of "it takes a village" mentality.

You are brain washed good Dr. I have provided names of a good many democrats that are just as obscenely rich as the repubs you rail against. You refuse to examine their lives, their actions, their voting record and instead take their unending stream of propaganda as gospel. It is either this or you are one of them and just as engaged in obscuring the truth and advancing an agenda to change (ruin) this country into a hideous vision of utopia, where only the ruling class and it's favored enjoy the fruits of the masses labor,as the ones you champion. Come out of the closet good Dr.-which is it?

You are right-under president Clinton we paid higher taxes and reasonable people prospered without much complaint, i being one of them .One thing Clinton understood, through trial and error, is that people and business thrive under stability and turning the country upside down with radical and hugely expensive legislation would undermine this.To his credit, he largely confined his law making efforts to tinkering along the edges and reforming unworkable government programs. God, how i crave the stability of those times.

There are precious few Clinton's in todays democrat party. They may sing a melodious, hypnotic tune about uplifting the masses but they serve themselves and their masters probably more than the repubs you seek to destroy.

P.S. your letter was quite well written and enjoyable if you ignored the content
John M

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 10:39am PT
I've done this on my own, no the government didn't build the road ahead of me or provide much of anything to make that happen,instead by being steadfastly self reliant i developed the motivation and acquired the knowledge to direct my own destiny.

One thing we can see is that your education was poor in one area. You are ignorant of the past. You are ignorant of what it means to have laws that protect you. You only focus on how they stop you, so you only see them as bad. You ignore how they stop others from just taking from you. You ignore how you have access to things like safe water that protected you.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 31, 2013 - 10:48am PT
You are wrong John M. I've never depended on water from government regulated
public water systems (which by the way don't filter out a lot of the chemical and hormone pollution). I've always lived where i've had my own water wells drilled. Any other examples?

I'm sorry you view my position as concentrating on the negative instead of positive government made laws or regulations, but you see we have a president who views our constitution as a negative document in need of shredding.
John M

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 10:58am PT
Its your own statements Rick. You say the government didnt' provide you with much of anything. I say that it did. You just seem to be ignorant of it. You may not have had government water, but who kept the water you did drink safe. And please, you can't tell me you never drank government water.

Would you want to go back to the wild wild west? Maybe you have the capacity to keep yourself safe. And wouldn't mind devoting much of your effort to that. But I wonder how many friends you would lose before you see the benefits of having laws and lawmen.

And how many watersheds/ wells would you have to see poisoned by greedy fools before you wished that people would get together and make rules to stop these things.

You complain about Dr F being black and white, but you do the same thing. You think some aspects of government are good? Great. So do I and so does Dr. F. why not start at that point rather then doing all the denigrating that you have done?

Is government perfect? Nope.. but neither are men.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Mar 31, 2013 - 10:58am PT
I've done this on my own, no the government didn't build the road ahead of me...

Probably one of the most myopic, self-centered opinions I've read on this forum in the last month.

So I guess you could've done the same thing in N Korea? How did you get from place to place? Did you travel by horseback taking only overland routes with permission of private landowners? Did you ever take a job where the owner paid taxes and got tax breaks for employing people or adopting certain policies? Do you have kids? Did you take the child tax credits? Have you owned a home and used the interest deduction? Have you taken any deductions ever? Have you eaten food grown in the US (Farm subsidies)? Have you been sick and required medication (gov't funded research)?

This list can go on & on. Don't think for one minute you didn't benefit at all from living in a democratic society that fosters its growth and well-being through providing basic services via a common pool of money called taxes.
John M

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 11:03am PT
Forgot something..

you can say you think some government is fine, but until your rhetoric reflects that, you will have people calling you on it.

Great post skeptimistic.
jghedge

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 11:11am PT
"Look Dr. F theirs an old saying "all politics are local"and another "people vote their pocketbook"."

I don't.

I voted for higher taxes, to start paying down the Bush disaster(s) - which I didn't vote for

And most people, apparently, voted like I did.

The majority wants to pay down the debt from the Bush admin, and pay more for more government services, and is willing to pay for them.
John M

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 11:15am PT
I don't.

Joe, I think that you did vote your pocket book. You just recognize that you end up with more if we have some level of government. And if that government is reasonably wise, which the Bush government wasn't.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 31, 2013 - 11:22am PT
Yes good post Skeptimistic. It is nearly impossible to escape the public works of government, and yes you are right in that not all is bad.What i'm now concerned and railing about is this "safety from cradle to grave " delusion that is used to heap ever increasing layers of law and regulation which limits our freedom. Nobody gets out of this journey alive and without risk their is little reward.

John M, yes i would like to return to the wild west. I think humanity is at its best with wild frontiers to explore. I would willingly pay much more in taxes if the money wasn't wasted on frivolous safety and comfort issues and was instead directed more into scientific research aimed at the frontiers of say space exploration and colonization.
jghedge

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 11:24am PT
"Joe, I think that you did vote your pocket book."

Actually you're right - it takes a dem administration to balance a budget and keep deficits down, as proven over and over again.
John M

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 11:51am PT
John M, yes i would like to return to the wild west. I think humanity is at its best with wild frontiers to explore.

So you have romanticised the wild west.


Head on over to Somalia. You can get all the wild west that you want.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Mar 31, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
John M, yes i would like to return to the wild west. I think humanity is at its best with wild frontiers to explore. I would willingly pay much more in taxes if the money wasn't wasted on frivolous safety and comfort issues and was instead directed more into scientific research aimed at the frontiers of say space exploration and colonization.

In the real world, however, here is how governments actually spend money to best advantage their citizens.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/13/should-america-try-to-be-like-scandinavia/

Curt
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 31, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
I heard he fathered two black children


ok Rick, why don't you elaborate on how President Obama is "shredding" the Constitution?

bring it on, the best you got
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 31, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
I'm sorry you view my position as concentrating on the negative instead of positive government made laws or regulations, but you see we have a president who views our constitution as a negative document in need of shredding.

LOl! more like obama is pissing on it! :)
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 31, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
it appears most tea baggers are well versed in constitutional law....?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 31, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
come on pussy

put your intellect where your mouth is

johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Mar 31, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
In my life i have been at every economic station from homeless climber to considerable wealth. I've done this on my own, no the government didn't build the road ahead of me or provide much of anything to make that happen...

What i'm now concerned and railing about is this "safety from cradle to grave " delusion that is used to heap ever increasing layers of law and regulation which limits our freedom.

Why would you expect anyone to take you seriously when you make statements like the quotes above as if they're absolutes. The delusion is yours to own.

jghedge

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
"put your intellect where your mouth is"

He is

That's the problem
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 31, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
Republicans: THE Party of DEFICITS, SPENDING, and NATIONAL DEBT



A former adviser of Ronald Reagan has some choice words for George W. Bush.

David Stockman, Reagan’s budget director from 1981 to 1985, slammed Bush and his former boss in an op-ed in The New York Times Sunday. Stockman argued in the piece that Reagan’s view on the deficit “created a template for the Republicans’ utter abandonment of the balanced-budget policies of Calvin Coolidge.”

“(Reagan’s deficit policies) allowed George W. Bush to dive into the deep end, bankrupting the nation through two misbegotten and unfinanced wars, a giant expansion of Medicare and a tax-cutting spree for the wealthy that turned K Street lobbyists into the de facto office of national tax policy,”
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 31, 2013 - 03:04pm PT


http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/rdbrewer/Obama-Nixon.jpg

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