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TGT

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So Cal
Apr 16, 2014 - 09:05pm PT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 16, 2014 - 09:12pm PT
Dingus posted
I'm sure glad my tax dollars are helping Big Pharma to hire more lawyers.

DMT

ps./ Sorry. But I don't think Big Pharma Profits is any measure of success of publicly funded healthcare. I'm not likely to change that opinion, either.

When the Part D Medicare plan went through back in 2003 Republicans made it illegal for the US government to negotiate down prices of drugs unlike is what literally every other hospital, insurance company and government in the world does. This means that a drug company can arbitrarily charge literally any price for a drug and Republicans require that the government pay that price.

If you want to be mad about public dollars padding Big Pharma profits, you might want to look pre-Obamacare.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 16, 2014 - 09:12pm PT
Hey TeaGeeTea do yourself a favor and look up the definitions of TRUTH and FACT.
Then compare them with the rotten tripe you serve.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 16, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
DaveKos posted
So what that graph is really saying is that after SYG, Florida saw a dramatic increase in righteous justice.

Now this is a man who understands himself some stand your ground!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 16, 2014 - 09:21pm PT


86M Full-Time Private-Sector Workers Sustain 148M Benefit Takers

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/86m-full-time-private-sector-workers-sustain-148m-benefit-takers

Not that this is really new news, just confirmation of the death spiral.

We are approaching one producer for every two leaches.

The leaches will soon kill their host.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Apr 16, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
The leaches will soon kill their host.

Guess we should start euthanizing the baby boomers. It's the only way to correct the leech to worker problem.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 16, 2014 - 10:45pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#354395
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Apr 17, 2014 - 12:40am PT
^^^Celebration of ignorance^^^

Sounds like a republican convention
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2014 - 11:56am PT
This belongs in this thread
from the Bundy thread

crunch

Social climber
CO Apr 16, 2014 - 07:14pm PT

Interesting how posted are spit into two opinions, far apart from each other.

I'm reading a book, The Harvest of Rage, by local Colorado author Joel Dyer, that explores how these wildly divergent viewpoints came about. Fascinating.

In the prosperous 1970s farmers and ranchers were actively encouraged to take out big loans by the banks and the feds. What could go wrong? A few years later things changed and it all went south. Thousands of farmers were forced off their farms and into poverty. The banks that lent the money, of course, did great, foreclosing on the land, reselling it.

Those hit by this crisis were, as ever, loyal, conservative, patriotic. Their instinct was to blame themselves for their gullibility. Suicide rates went up, marriages fell apart.

Meanwhile there is always a tiny hard core of haters, white supremacists, religious nuts. They saw their chance and preyed on these lost souls, telling them that it was not their fault that they had been dispossessed. Depending on the whim of the hater/preacher, it was a cabal of jewish bankers or a sign of the start of the end times or some crazy conspiracy or other. This way, the frustration and anger could be directed not at their own country (for these were patriotic, loyal farmers and they would not go there) but at the secret conspiracy that had corrupted and taken over the government and who had subverted the Constitution. The Constitution came from God, and changes to it were therefore evil and had to be stopped...that kind of twaddle. The militias, aspiring to both be patriotic toward a slightly different version of the same country that they were ready to fight, grew out of this.

There was (and is) a grain of truth to the conspiracy theories. The way the feeds treated the farmers in the 1980s was heartless, cruel. The banks thrived. The biggest, wealthiest people did just fine, buying up all the small farmers's land, getting fat. There was the appearance of a conspiracy.

Back to 2014: Bundy's frustrations are very real. Running cattle in the West in this day and age is hard work and not very profitable. It has to be getting harder and harder, year by year. Most of the rural economy is now run by a cartel of huge, powerful corporations, Cargill, Tyson, etc, who control vast wealth and weld enormous power. There's only crumbs left for the little guys. Of course the little guys find this frustrating. It's too bad that Bundy's frustrations (and many others') have been so skillfully redirected to absurd arguments confusing BLM, state's rights, his own rights. He now has the appearance of a simple tax-cheat, which is not at all what he intended, I'm sure.

Dyer's analysis (though he wrote long before the modern, Bundy update) gives a way to see how we got to where we are. Eye-opening book.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=harvest+of+rage
dirtbag

climber
Apr 17, 2014 - 05:07pm PT
So eight million signed up for the ACA, beating projections by 1,000,000; 35% of young adults signed up; and yet right wing knotheads are still lying and whining.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-8-million-signed-health-care-195102501.html

The ACA is probably the one republican idea they were right about and yet they are too stoopid to claim credit for their success.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 17, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
35% of young adults signed up;


excellent news for the overall pool

exactly what the target was

now what are you gonna piss and moan about, god guns and gays?
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Apr 17, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
i prefer Gawd, actually. All gays burn in hell, that's common knowledge. Guns? More, of all types.
dirtbag

climber
Apr 17, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
That and the fact Obama is still black. Actually, worse: he's the result of intercourse between a black man and a white woman. That still pisses them off to no end.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Apr 17, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
yes, it makes borderline personality types even crazier when they think about that sh#t. seriously,that is all they see.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
From the bundy thread


Bruce Kay
Gym climber
BC

Apr 17, 2014 - 09:01am PT
but seriously for a moment.

There's a few things about Authoritarian personalities ( and authoritarianism ) that really deserve a close critical look.

One is that all of us are to some degree authoritarian - it is a rare individual who truly isn't. After all, we're surrounded by it and the organizational / logistical structure it provides is obviously and undeniably valuable. Even social authority provides leadership around which society is cohesive. But for the authoritarian, authority is to be deferred to not respected.

Authoritarian personalities ( and authoritarianism) are defined by a ruling dogma, or fundamentalism if you like. The values of authoritarianism are held as paramount and non negotiable by lesser values such as egalitarianism. Authority is earned by representation of values. Representation of those values earns deference. So long as the appearance of values exists - such as the rhetoric and iconology of Ronald Raygun - all is well in the world and authority is unquestioned.

This fundamentalism of values is best represented in the value of loyalty. Now at first blush loyalty sounds like a virtue, but if you understand that the loyalty is to values ( not people ) then it takes on a slightly more sinister connotation. Loyalty to values - if absolute - requires that anything that challenges those values or the iconography of the values ( mythology) is the enemy, even if based in empirical fact. This imperative requires an ethic of the ethicless bastard as anything goes in the defense of the mythology. That is why due processes of integrity are so gleefully, willfully and scornfully subverted by obfuscation, deflection, deception or as a last resort coersive force.

This is best seen in the practice of "doubling down". When faced with ever increasing challenge by weight of a process of integrity, the reaction is to not adjust or erode the loyalty to values, instead ramp up the loyalty, which is likely what is happening right now at fort Bundy.

Absent is humility. Abundant are guns, as power is the most important attribute, not respect. Fear and deference is the ethic, not respect as respect is only earned by truth not myth.

This loyalty and fundamentalist attitude is no joke, as although per capita authoritarians seldom amount to more than 30 % of any population, they are not shy to impose their will under the flag of righteous indignation.

This is not idle conjecture by the way. It has been studied to death since the end of WW2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 17, 2014 - 10:28pm PT
Who Are the Koch Brothers and What Do They Want?
Posted: 04/17/2014 8:40 am EDT Updated: 04/17/2014 11:59 am EDT

MORE: Koch Brothers Charles Koch David Koch Democracy Bernie Sanders Citizens United
As a result of the disastrous Citizens United Supreme Court decision, billionaires and large corporations can now spend an unlimited amount of money to influence the political process. The results of that decision are clear. In the coming months and years the Koch brothers and other extraordinarily wealthy families will spend billions of dollars to elect right-wing candidates to the Senate, the House, governors' mansions and the presidency of the United States. These billionaires already own much of our economy. That, apparently, is not enough. Now, they want to own the United States government as well.

Four years ago, the Supreme Court handed down the 5-4 ruling in Citizens United vs the Federal Election Commission. A few weeks ago, they announced another horrendous campaign finance decision in McCutcheon vs. FEC giving even more political power to the rich. Now, many Republicans want to push this Supreme Court to go even further. In the name of "free speech," they want the Court to eliminate all restrictions on campaign spending -- a position that Justice Thomas supported in McCutcheon -- and a view supported by the Chairman of the Republican National Committee. Importantly, as a means of being able to exercise unprecedented power over the political process, this has been the position of the Koch brothers for at least the last 34 years.

The Koch brothers are the second wealthiest family in America, making most of their money in the fossil fuel industry. According to Forbes Magazine, they saw their wealth increase last year from $68 billion to $80 billion. In other words, under the "anti-business", "socialist" and "oppressive" Obama administration, their wealth went up by $12 billion in one year.

In their 2012 campaigns, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney each spent a little more than $1 billion. For the Koch brothers, spending more than Obama and Romney combined would be a drop in their bucket. They would hardly miss the few billion dollars.

Given the reality that the Koch brothers are now the most important and powerful players in American politics, it is important to know what they want and what their agenda is.

It is not widely known that David Koch was the Libertarian Party vice-presidential candidate in 1980. He believed that Ronald Reagan was much too liberal. Despite Mr. Koch putting a substantial sum of money into the campaign, his ticket only received 1 percent of the vote. Most Americans thought the Libertarian Party platform of 1980 was extremist and way out of touch with what the American people wanted and needed.

Fast-forward 34 years and the most significant reality of modern politics is how successful David Koch and like-minded billionaires have been in moving the Republican Party to the extreme right. Amazingly, much of what was considered "extremist" and "kooky" in 1980 has become part of today's mainstream Republican thinking.

Let me give you just a few examples:

In 1980, Libertarian vice-presidential candidate David Koch ran on a platform that called for abolishing the minimum wage. Thirty-four years ago, that was an extreme view of a fringe party that had the support of 1 percent of the American people. Today, not only does virtually every Republican in Congress oppose raising the $7.25 an hour minimum wage, many of them, including Republican leaders like Mitch McConnell and John McCain, are on record for abolishing the concept of the federal minimum wage.

In 1980, the platform of David Koch's Libertarian Party favored "the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs." Thirty-four years ago, that was an extreme view of a fringe party that had the support of one percent of the American people. Today, the mainstream view of the Republican Party, as seen in the recently passed Ryan budget, is to end Medicare as we know it, cut Medicaid by more than $1.5 trillion over the next decade, and repeal the Affordable Care Act. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, "Under the Ryan plan, at least 40 million people -- 1 in 8 Americans -- would lose health insurance or fail to obtain insurance by 2024. Most of them would be people with low or moderate incomes."

In 1980, the platform of David Koch's Libertarian Party called for "the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system." Thirty-four years ago, that was an extreme view of a fringe party that had the support of 1 percent of the American people. Today, the mainstream view of the Republican Party is that "entitlement reform" is absolutely necessary. For some, this means major cuts in Social Security. For others who believe Social Security is unconstitutional or a Ponzi scheme this means the privatization of Social Security or abolishing this program completely for those who are under 60 years of age.

In 1980, David Koch's Libertarian Party platform stated "We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes ... We support the eventual repeal of all taxation ... As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately." Thirty-four years ago, that was an extreme view of a fringe party that had the support of 1 percent of the American people. Today, 75 Republicans in the House have co-sponsored a bill that Paul Ryan has said "would eliminate taxes on wages, corporations, self-employment, capital gains, and gift and death taxes in favor of a personal-consumption tax."

Here is what every American should be deeply concerned about. The Koch brothers, through the expenditure of billions of dollars and the creation and support of dozens of extreme right organizations, have taken fringe extremist ideas and made them mainstream within the Republican Party. And now with Citizens United (which is allowing them to pour unlimited sums of money into the political process) their power is greater than ever.

And let's be very clear. Their goal is not only to defund Obamacare, cut Social Security, oppose an increase in the minimum wage or cut federal funding for education. Their world view and eventual goal is much greater than all of that. They want to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick and the most vulnerable in this country. Every piece of legislation!

The truth is that the agenda of the Koch brothers is to move this country from a democratic society with a strong middle class to an oligarchic form of society in which the economic and political life of the nation are controlled by a handful of billionaire families.

Our great nation must not be hijacked by right-wing billionaires like the Koch brothers.

For the sake of our children and our grandchildren, we must fight back.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-bernie-sanders/who-are-the-koch-brothers_b_5165995.html
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 17, 2014 - 10:50pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#354576

No difference between the partys?
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2014 - 11:08pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 18, 2014 - 05:56am PT
unionization for thee but not for me:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2547370/


oh, the irony...
anita514

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Great White North
Apr 18, 2014 - 07:32am PT
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