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Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 1, 2014 - 07:36pm PT
According tho the Rand study just out, exactly 858,000 people that didn't have health insurance now have it.

That's not what it says.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Apr 1, 2014 - 08:14pm PT
How can the republican party be against Americans getting healthcare?

We took the only feasible plan they came up with and now they hate/want to repeal their own plan/vision.

WTF is wrong with them? Everything?
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Apr 1, 2014 - 08:17pm PT
Glitches get solved.

Next....
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 1, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 1, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
HDDJ:

I not only read what you write, I make logical conclusions from them. For example, in attempting to refute my allegation that the tort system drives CYA medicine, you posted "Furthermore, tort reform would only limit the damages, not the reasons you can sue someone which completely invalidates most of your argument."

What I've tried (apparently quite unsuccessfully) to communicate to you is that the tort reform I advocate would not change the measure of damages, but the entire basis for liability. If a health care provider and patient agree on a course of treatment, and the provider does what was agreed, there should be no liability in the reform I advocate.

In the current tort world, there could still be liability because current law allows the patient to maintain a cause of action for failing to provide the "correct" treatment, rather than the agreed-upon treatment, with virtually zero risk of liability for malicious prosecution or abuse of process. In effect, the health care provider becomes a guarantor of a good result. Biology doesn't allow for a good result always, regardless of the appropriateness or competence of treatment.

With the "American Rule" of each side paying its own attorney's fees, and the allowance of contingent fee arrangements, even a relatively specious claim has some settlement value because of the ability to inflict a cost of defense on the care provider and/or the provider's insurer. Limiting damages, which is the only thing the studies in the literature test, does nothing to change the calculus of defending a claim.

As an aside, it's interesting that so many commentators on ST admire the medical systems of other countries but ignore the fact that most other common law countries impose the legal fees and costs of the winning side on the loser and, in addition, outlaw contingent fees. Try getting a congress of Democrats, financed by the plaintiffs' bar, to pass that reform!

Dave,

I've checked the following economics texts in my library:

Applied Consumption Analysis (Phlips)
Foundations of Economic Analyis (Samuelson)
General Comparative Analysis (Arrow & Hahn)
Consumer Theory (Green)
The Theory of Finance (Fama & Miller)
The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money (Keynes)
Stochastic Optimization Models in Finance (Ziemba & Vickson)
Investment, Interest and Capital (Hirschleifer)

Only Hirschleifer defines "commodity" (as a "desired object"). At that point, I stopped looking, since I didn't feel like going through my entire library.

Admittedly, almost all of the texts date from my graduate school days, so they could be dated, but I've kept current with the American Economic Review through the current issue, along with various other journal articles, and I don't think the definition is particularly technical, so unless you're saying no one desires health care, the distinction postulated doesn't stand up.

John


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 1, 2014 - 08:46pm PT


One heartbeat from the presidency?
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Apr 1, 2014 - 09:02pm PT
Rachel Ray's fan base, Ladies and Gentlemen. That's one less unsolved mystery to worry about.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2014 - 09:40pm PT
TGT
TGT
Credit: Dr. F.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2014 - 09:41pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.

Paul Ryan will introduce us to his new 2014 budget
just like every other budget from the Heritage Foundation.

More tax cuts for the rich and crony Corps, slash all social and public services, slash education and science, slash health care and environmental budgets, slash regulatory agency budgets, slash Social Security payments, privatize Medicare (into John E's dream, all market based) and pump the excess into the Military.

But according to Paul Ryan, it will Balance the Budget with some magic dust he hasn't told us about yet.
He says that they will close loopholes that will save billions, but when asked in 2013 (and now) what those loopholes were so he could save America from further debt, he would not provide a single specific loophole that he was willing to close, it was all lies!
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Apr 1, 2014 - 09:53pm PT
With some exceptions for the month a policy is started, health insurance premiums are due every month. If you don't keep your payments current, your policy lapses. You're uninsured. I'm explaining this because several of you don't seem to understand this simple, obvious point.

And I don't care about what Bush did or what Ryan proposes. What I do care about are the inherent problems of the ACA. But you guys keep trying to divert attention away from this crappy legislation. I'm sure it's preferable to honest discussion on the subject.

Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
My payments went down $200 a month
so I don't what the hell you're talking about
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2014 - 10:04pm PT
Why would the GOP propose a Budget that the Democrats will never approve in a million years??

Why don't the GOP reach across the aisle for the good of the Country and propose a budget that the Democrats will compromise with?

But instead, their budget will go nowhere, and we will have to pass ANOTHER Continuing Resolution....

Billions upon Billions all wasted by the GOP House; repealing ObamaCare, shutting down the Gov, endless investigations into Benghazi and the IRS, and budgets that will never be approved.

Why don't they reach across the aisle JE?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:06pm PT
TGT posted
According tho the Rand study just out, exactly 858,000 people that didn't have health insurance now have it.

From another study 6,200,000 people LOST their health insurance due to Obamacare so a net gain of 900,000 uninsured from that study.

Pretty close agreement on the numbers!

So all this to insure around 2% of the uninsured.

I share your pain, TGT, and I know that it grieves you terribly that so many Americans are still without the kind of healthcare coverage deserved to a citizen of the Greatest Country in the History of the World. Take solace in knowing that many of the people who had their health insurance discontinued because it failed to meet the modest standards set forth in the ACA got healthcare through their employer or outside of the exchange. Sleep well tonight knowing that according to the LA times polling that has been tracking this data since last year the number of uninsured 18-64 year olds has dropped by about 20% and that doesn't even include all the folks who just signed up for coverage! That's about 8 million people and the number will rise! Spread the word to those 10 million who are still eligible for exchange plans and you can shrink the number of uninsured even more.


Sketch posted
With some exceptions for the month a policy is started, health insurance premiums are due every month. If you don't keep your payments current, your policy lapses. You're uninsured. I'm explaining this because several of you don't seem to understand this simple, obvious point.

Fret not, Sketch! You needn't shed a tear over your fellow Americans in this instance! The numbers that you are quoting are for people who signed up for coverage that will start in July meaning that not paying in April will have no bearing whatsoever on their insurance status. Rest easy, good friend.

I'm still looking forward to the suggestions you had on how we could get even more people health insurance since the ACA does leave so many uninsured (even if all the people eligible did sign up). I can only imagine that you are most worried about those left in the lurch by the states who did not expand Medicaid which left those working poor ineligible for the exchange. A cruel twist of fate handed down by the Supreme Court. Together we can help our fellow Americans overcome this hardship.
John M

climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:08pm PT
I remember when the heritage foundation made that prediction that the national debt would be paid down by 2010 with Bush's budget. Good lord

Paul Ryan's budget is a travesty. In some ways I would love to see the Republicans take over everything and then watch the crumbling of this country. The biggest military in history combined with the worst school system in a first world country =


WW3

crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
Dr. F right on, as usual.

Dr., they have no answers, no alternative, no credible candidates.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:17pm PT
^^^^^ John M's got it!!!! ^^^^^
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:35pm PT
. In some ways I would love to see the Republicans take over everything and then watch the crumbling of this country

um, that just happened, remember

The Republicans had the House, Senate, and Presidency

The economy went into full scale recession under Bush

the stock market was cut in half, from 14K down to 73K

15 million Americans lost their jobs and the economy was losing 700K job a month

why? complete failure to regulate both the mortgage market and financial derivatives

you could not ask for such a compelling rejection of "free markets" and poor regulation


don't you remember what it was like? why would anyone, ever, vote Repub again?



crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:38pm PT
Norton, none of this happened over on Fox.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:40pm PT
They've got nuthin'.

So they make sh#t up.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:52pm PT
Dr. F.----Re your up-thread question:

Why would the GOP propose a Budget that the Democrats will never approve in a million years??

Why don't the GOP reach across the aisle for the good of the Country and propose a budget that the Democrats will compromise with?

But instead, their budget will go nowhere, and we will have to pass ANOTHER Continuing Resolution....

Billions upon Billions all wasted by the GOP House; repealing ObamaCare, shutting down the Gov, endless investigations into Benghazi and the IRS, and budgets that will never be approved.

Why don't they reach across the aisle JE?


I think they mostly answered your question in their April 1 press release.

AP
April 1, 2014 8:12 AM ET
Republican Congressional Leaders reveal their agenda.
By MARK HERMAN,

During a short press conference this morning Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and House Speaker John Boehner made the following joint announcement.


The Republican Congressional agenda is to make Obama & the Democrats fail, by making America fail.

Our politics have been simple------and sick, and un-American. We are very pleased that many good people are sad, since the current Republican priority is to make America & Americans suffer as much as possible, blame it on the Democrats, and then win the next election.

It may seem dumb and self-defeating to some of you out there in America, but our chief financial supporters, and the collection of poor-white conservatives that our party is currently exploiting, are on board and back us wholeheartedly.

Thank you for your support!
Mitch McConnel & John Boehner tell Americans how it is.
Mitch McConnel & John Boehner tell Americans how it is.
Credit: Fritz
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