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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:22pm PT
John said
Third-party payment systems add layers of transactions costs to health care, and the tort system leads to "cover your ass" medicine. (HDDJ's arguments agree with me on this point, but he won't acknowledge it).


Uh no. I have posted numerous evidence backed sources that say that tort reform will not significantly alter the cost of healthcare to which you replied "that's nice but I choose not to believe that."

Since anecdotes seem to be the only proof positive for you, here's a doozy: My hospital has a very aggressive risk management department. You might consider it the opposite of California. If we think we are legitimately responsible for something then we not only settle, we do our best to make it right in every possible way. But if we don't think we did anything wrong we fight every case, no matter the size, tooth and nail in court and we shield our employees from all liability (and we self-insure our malpractice). By your anecdotal logic we should have virtually 0 "cover your ass medicine" practiced in our $1.1 billion healthcare network. The reality, of course, is that overprescription and overtesting abound because financial culpability is only a tiny factor in a much larger and more complex milieu affecting healthcare decisions none of which are of any interest to you because they don't fit into the opinion you've already developed.

John continued
Finally, I find it ironic that a discussion among climbers has so many ready to cede decision-making over life choices to the government.

Again, something that is not happening and has not happened. I find it ironic that a lawyer cannot understand the law.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:23pm PT
Yes bookworm...foreigners love Bush.

"Majorities or pluralities in 12 countries express a favorable opinion of the United States, while the prevailing view is negative in only five nations. In three countries views are closely divided.

Attitudes toward the U.S. are generally more positive today than in 2008, the final year of the George W. Bush administration. The biggest improvements in America’s image have occurred among Europeans – in France, Spain, and Germany, the percentage of people with a positive view of the U.S. is at least 20 percentage points higher than in 2008."

"While confidence in Obama has slipped, in many of the countries surveyed, people continue to express confidence in President Obama’s foreign policy leadership. In particular, he still gets extremely high ratings in much of Europe. More than seven-in-ten in Germany, France, Britain, the Czech Republic and Italy express confidence that Obama will do the right thing in world affairs. Big majorities in Japan and Brazil also hold this view."


John...we see healthcare in this country very different. :-)


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
John posted in the Sean Connery thread
Locker, I've finally learned about what happens when on this site. I checked for the truth before I responded.

Why the hell can't you bring this level of effort to the political thread, eh?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:32pm PT
Uh no. I have posted numerous evidence backed sources that say that tort reform will not significantly alter the cost of healthcare to which you replied "that's nice but I choose not to believe that."

HDDJ, the studies you posted show nothing of the sort. They fail to evaluate contract-based health care precisely because it does not exist. Rather, they show that limitations on damage awards don't provide an appreciably lower cost of health care. That's exactly what I argue, because regardless of damage limits, failure to practice "cover your ass health care" results in lawsuits. You said the same thing yourself, when you posted that the reason providers practice "cover your ass" medicine is because they'd be sued if they didn't.

And Bob, I'll leave it that we disagree. I'm not uncomfortable knowing that there are intelligent people who see things differently from me.

John
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
John posted in the Sean Connery thread
Locker, I've finally learned about what happens when on this site. I checked for the truth before I responded.

Why the hell can't you bring this level of effort to the political thread, eh?

Because it never occurred to me that the ACA was an April Fool's prank.

John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
John posted
HDDJ, the studies you posted show nothing of the sort. They fail to evaluate contract-based health care precisely because it does not exist. Rather, they show that limitations on damage awards don't provide an appreciably lower cost of health care. That's exactly what I argue, because regardless of damage limits, failure to practice "cover your ass health care" results in lawsuits. You said the same thing yourself, when you posted that the reason providers practice "cover your ass" medicine is because they'd be sued if they didn't.

You are either being willfully dense or not reading literally anything I write. I never posted what you just said I did, exactly the opposite.

I might be wrong about my first sentence. You're either trolling in a very bizarre manner or completely insane.


John said
Because it never occurred to me that the ACA was an April Fool's prank.

Joke's on you I guess. More Americans have healthcare now.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Apr 1, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
Paul Ryan's budget would cut welfare and medicaid deeply

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/us/politics/paul-ryan-budget.html?hpw&rref=politics&_r=0

Of course it f*#king would.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Apr 1, 2014 - 05:17pm PT
Tvash wrote: Paul Ryan's budget would cut welfare and medicaid deeply


But cuts the tax rate for the rich and corporations. Who would have thought that??
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 1, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
My dictionary defines "commodity" as "any useful thing."

That's the familiar definition, but the economic definition is more specific:

The exact definition of the term commodity is specifically used to describe a class of goods for which there is demand, but which is supplied without qualitative differentiation across a market.

A commodity has full or partial fungibility; that is, the market treats its instances as equivalent or nearly so with no regard to who produced them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity

Gold, crude oil, and pork bellies are commodities -- doesn't matter where it came from, it's all the same. Buyers and sellers consider only price.

Climbing guides and healthcare polices are not commodities. Some are better than others. You can pay a lot for lousy guide, or a little for a good one.

There can be huge differences in the qualitative aspects of healthcare insurance . Before ACA, many consumers learned too late that their policies were worthless, regardless of what they paid.

ACA does move healthcare polices one step closer to being a commodity. Consumers now have assurances that the policies provide coverage and that the insurance providers won't bail when the bill comes due. ACA makes insurance products more consistent and removes much of the massive information asymmetry that used to exist in the market. Consumers in the individual market now have much more confidence that they are actually getting what they are paying for.

That's a good thing, for everyone.


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 1, 2014 - 05:33pm PT
When in doubt , hit the 47%ers harder...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 05:40pm PT
Dave- thanks for taking the time to break down John's pedance.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-uninsured-national-20140331,0,6550360,full.story#axzz2xaBGfqV

Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people

At least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gotten health insurance since Obamacare started, surveys and reports show.

Rand has been polling 3,300 Americans monthly about their insurance choices since last fall. Researchers found that the share of adults ages 18 to 64 without health insurance has declined from 20.9% last fall to 16.6% as of March 22.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 1, 2014 - 06:06pm PT
My dictionary defines "commodity" as "any useful thing."
So what your saying is the regurgitated Faux Noise Contributions of the resident right wingers are not commodities.


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Unless it's just a sound bite talking point if you really want to support the troops then vote Republicans OUT!
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Apr 1, 2014 - 06:17pm PT
A triumphant President Barack Obama declared Tuesday his signature medical insurance overhaul a success, saying it has made America's health care system 'a lot better' in a Rose Garden press conference.
But buried in the 7.1 million enrollments he announced in a heavily staged appearance is a more unsettling reality.
Numbers from a RAND Corporation study that has been kept under wraps suggest that barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans – nowhere near 7.1 million – have paid for new policies and joined the ranks of the insured by Monday night.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594309/President-plans-victory-lap-strong-Obamacare-enrollment-Sebelius-faces-unpopular-law-blank-stare-tough-questions-remain-whos-signing-up.html#ixzz2xfwbl35k
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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 06:25pm PT
I'm glad you are deeply concerned about the millions of Americans who haven't gotten health insurance, Sketch. Insurance is billed once coverage starts like any other service and the vast majority of the 7 million who signed up will pay. Meanwhile more and more people will start signing up for coverage to start in January and the numbers of insured will keep growing. Unfortunately, that number will never include all Americans under the current system because millions who would have been covered under Medicaid are being denied as a cruel political tactic. Millions more simply were never designed to be covered under the ACA because it was the only way to get it through Congress (another cruel political tactic).

I look forward to your future posts glad for the people who are getting coverage and proposing meaningful ways to get even more Americans covered. You could start by talking to your friends and making sure they know they might be eligible! Kaiser estimates that there are still 10 million Americans who qualify for the exchanges but have chosen not to sign up yet.

Keep up the positive thoughts, Sketch! We will get there eventually!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 1, 2014 - 06:30pm PT
Everyone should be like Sketch and pay their bills several months early.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 1, 2014 - 07:21pm PT
According tho the Rand study just out, exactly 858,000 people that didn't have health insurance now have it.

From another study 6,200,000 people LOST their health insurance due to Obamacare so a net gain of 900,000 uninsured from that study.

Pretty close agreement on the numbers!

So all this to insure around 2% of the uninsured.

Yeah,

That's real effective governance.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Apr 1, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
Hobby Lobby...hypocrites.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-invests-in-em_n_5070279.html
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Apr 1, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
Oh so easily the republicans forget. Bush's Medicare program was seamless!

" Two weeks into the new Medicare prescription drug program, many of the nation's sickest and poorest elderly and disabled people are being turned away or overcharged at pharmacies, prompting more than a dozen states to declare health emergencies and pay for their life-saving medicines.


Roughly 6.4 million seniors who just days earlier had gotten their prescriptions for free as Medicare/Medicaid "dual eligibles" faced the prospect of going without because of untrained pharmacists and computer glitches. By January 16, 2006, the New York Times reported, many states (most of them led by Democrats) came to their rescue:

About 20 states, including California, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania and all of New England, have announced that they will help low-income people by paying drug claims that should have been paid by the federal Medicare program."
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 1, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
Yeah Bob but facts like that don't matter to the wingnutz because that was Bush's bargain and he was a Neo-Con WASP.
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