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JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 17, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
You also can't put together a fair election if the only choice is:

1. I want to join the Russian Federation now

2. I want to join the Russian Federation later.

I'm concerned that our "21st century" approach to international tensions may not contemplate the appropriate response to the "19th century" tactics of Putin, but to me, at least, this is not a partisan issue. We have a major threat to NATO taking place before our eyes, and the identity of the US administration as "Democrat" or "Republican" matters not at all. For that reason, if no other, I hope the Kerry/Obama team takes actions that make them -- and the US -- look good.

John
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 17, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
file under "duh!"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/17/survey-one-third-uninsured-do-not-plan-to-buy-insurance-despite-obamacare/?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fn


my guess is they're underestimating by another third



on topic question of the day: what percentage of those choosing to go without insurance are dirt bag climbers?
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 17, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
Buy the insurance or pay the penalty.

The law offers a choice; that people vary as to how they make it is just fine.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 17, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
My guess is that link is FauxNews
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 17, 2014 - 01:42pm PT
So, John, what would be an example of 'making the US look good' that the Kerry/Obama team could do that would satisfy you?

Don't you find the unspoken 'Putin-envy' that seems to have recently arisen amongst some on the Right (no pun intended) to be a little embarrassing?
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2014 - 01:49pm PT
That's why I give you no pass for anything you post.
You are nothing more than a misinformed loser
do you ever even bother with real News Sources?
or are you getting your ners from the same place Werner is, Drudge's ass?

Aren't you injured?
So you can't climb, and are a complete dick, and probably on Oxycodone or some other painkillers, right?

So your saying Crimea voted against Obama? like Werener said, that's your take on it?
Say What?

Werner and Coz's source of Information
Werner and Coz's source of Information
Credit: Dr. F.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 17, 2014 - 01:52pm PT
In the case of oil, we are far, far less dependent upon foreign sources than in the past.

It points this out perfectly, where the EU gets 1/3 of it's natural gas from Russia, creating a huge conflict.

We don't have that. And we're better for it.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 17, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
I'm concerned that our "21st century" approach to international tensions may not contemplate the appropriate response to the "19th century" tactics of Putin, but to me, at least, this is not a partisan issue. We have a major threat to NATO taking place before our eyes, and the identity of the US administration as "Democrat" or "Republican" matters not at all. For that reason, if no other, I hope the Kerry/Obama team takes actions that make them -- and the US -- look good.

The problem with this analysis, with which I mostly agree, is "looking good" to WHOM?

There are many levels of appearance---to the world public, the American public, foreign gov'ts, partisans of either side. And what would "Look Good" to each of those is probably a different thing. For example, there is NO action that Obama could take that would make him look good to Tea Partiers.
WBraun

climber
Mar 17, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
Coz we know how and where to push their buttons.

They're not particularly bright .....
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 17, 2014 - 02:00pm PT
Feck off Coz...I don't need a pass from you or any other climber on this site.

What makes you think you are so right on these issues?

The only think I have seen out of you on this site is your ability to troll and insult.


Werner wrote: They're not particularly bright .....

Coming from someone who think there is a great god/dog floating around in the sky and picked him as some chosen one.



Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Mar 17, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
Coz we know how and where to push their buttons.

They're not particularly bright .....

Neither is Coz.

DMT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 17, 2014 - 02:07pm PT
Werner wrote: Washington in its arrogance thinks that it is the voice of “the international community”–do not recognize the results of democracy in action.

Yes with a ballot that had no "no" option. Democracy, in what world do you live?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 17, 2014 - 02:10pm PT
Let's play hardball Coz?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 17, 2014 - 02:11pm PT
'Your'
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2014 - 02:14pm PT
I think Coz is on Opiates
He will live to regret posting like this, it's typical drug induced Big Head syndrome

But for now, he just loves to show what kind of ass he can be by trolling like a little Right Wing Nazi

Good Work Coz
Who cares what you think of my climbing ability, You never climbed with me, so how would you know anyway, a-hole
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 17, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
My choice of words could have been better. By "look good," I meant that their actions would result in an outcome that optimally preserves self-determination, discourages national expansion by military force, and allows NATO members to be secure on their eastern borders. I used the expression "look good" because I hope the current administration does well, and gets credit for doing well, regardless of its political affiliation.

Apogee, I support the sorts of sanctions thus far enacted -- against individuals, and most certainly do not support, for example, the use of United States military personnel in Ukraine. I have real reservations, though, with a policy that denies the Ukrainian government weapons, say. It reminds me too much of our Post-Watergate Congress's policy in Southeast Asia, where we denied our allies arms and were treated to watching the peace-loving North Vietnamese invade Laos and the benign Khmer Rouge perform their gentle persuasion in their killing fields.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, my biggest fear was that the successor political system looked to have all of the vices and weakness of the Weimar Republic. Many, if not most, of the people had a higher standard of living under the USSR than under the kleptocracy that succeeded it in Russia, so the rise of an autocratic near-fascist like Putin did not surprise me.

Given that state of affairs, we must now make sure than nationalistic expansion stops before we have many more parallels to 20th Century European history. The eerie similarity between the justification for Russian adventurism in the Crimean Peninsula and eastern Ukraine and the arguments heard almost 80 years ago about the Sudatenland and ethnic Germans in Poland should help keep our attention focused.

I would also think about stationing troops in NATO countries on the Russian front such as Poland and the Baltics, and every other measure needed to let Putin -- or any other "19th Century" ruler, know that if you mess with a NATO nation, you'll have hell to pay. Whether we like it or not, MAD worked to keep a substantial peace. If that's what it takes to head off Russian military adventurism, then you do what it takes.

I think that, in general, the administration has done the right things (other than the aforementioned refusal to send arms to the current Ukrainian government). In particular, its encouragement of multilateral defense involvement might actually force western Europe to start shouldering more of the load for its own defense. I wish my leaders an extra helping of wisdom, because we all need for them to have it.

John

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 17, 2014 - 02:24pm PT
Coz...what does climbing have to do with any of this?

I find it kinda weak you always go to that.

Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 17, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
Temporarily switching off the Tragic Emotional Dysfunction Channel, I agree with John's assessment and hopes. Nothing to add to that.

Relinquishing the channel changer....
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2014 - 02:37pm PT
You're the Bully
You came here trolling, and you got back what you deserve

This IS the fun thread
Anything goes, including name calling
most people can't handle it
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 17, 2014 - 02:42pm PT
John, that's a particularly balanced view. Much appreciated.
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