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Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 12, 2014 - 06:58pm PT
If a poster isn't a real person, I'm left wondering what else they could be, exactly?
John M

climber
Mar 12, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
I believe the point is that it is easier to hold a person accountable for their actions if they are a known entity. Sometimes People say things they wouldn't normally say when they are completely anonymous. Plus other times people really do have problems. So its nice to have at least some idea who a person is. Most understand that one might like to remain somewhat anonymous, such as from work, but at least if someone knows who the person is and they make something like dangerous threats, then something can be done about them besides just banning them. We have had deranged threats given out on this forum more then once in the past, and the police have been brought in.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 12, 2014 - 07:11pm PT
For christ sake Coz how are we supposed to keep it civil with the likes of Bookworm, Ron and TGT who just spew hate & bullsh#t?


Most do their fair share of attacking and backhanded remarks, you & me included.

I'm almost to point of never posting on this site again and I don't think it would be a great loss either way.

And really, what does being a climber have to do with this discussion?



John M

climber
Mar 12, 2014 - 07:13pm PT
I hope that you stick around Bob. I appreciate your point of view. I have learned a few things over the years from your posts.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 12, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
From my part, I actually introduced myself - full name, on this very thread. I've posted TRs, and my avatar is a pic of me. I'm not sure how much less anonymity is required, John, but it seems to me that if you're interested in knowing more about a poster - search their personal page. It's not someone else's responsibility to satisfy what is, after all, your curiosity, not theirs. I have not, and do not, say things here I wouldn't say to someone in person.

If someone chooses not to answer one of your questions, for any reason - that does not give you license to disparage them for it. You can do just that, of course - but don't be surprised if they drop you from their conversational gene pool.

I actually thought you were being ironic, John, when you hitched your wagon to Coz's investigation. I was surprised to find that you were not only serious, but emotionally invested in it.

Regarding who's a dick or not - actions, not self-image, determine who you are. You can't 'act like a dick' and 'not be a dick'. One defines the other. You can always stop being a dick, however. And, of course, you may not act like a dick to others in other situations. It's not an inherent attribute, like, say, having one.
John M

climber
Mar 12, 2014 - 07:25pm PT
I guess I could call you slow too Coz because plenty of us have seen the faults of Obama and have spoken of them here. And maybe you have missed many of the Chiefs worst episodes which would perhaps explain your opinion. Lately he has been a bit more reasonable, but he is well known as having the capacity to be a pompous ass.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 12, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
What kind of human being needs to troll...lonely, needs attention, as#@&%e, jerk, superior, or just plain having what they call fun?



There are a number of people who try to keep it straight on this thread and I say thanks.

What is with this dumb ass climbing brotherhood??

I never once in my 41 years of climbing felt the need to be of that group...pretty much a bunch of social misfits who couldn't make it as a parent, husband, boyfriend or friend. Oh you climb hard..you are one of us. Didn't matter if you failed in every other aspect of life, f*#ked your best friend partner or screw friends or stole gear, you are OK cause you climb hard.

WTF??
John M

climber
Mar 12, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
Tvash, I had no need to know who you were. I could see you as a reasonable person. My reason for asking you to identify yourself as a climber was simply to put a stop to the Chiefs and Coz's pointless argument that you were just a troll by just getting you to answer their simple question. I understood your point of not kowtowing to those kinds of posts, but I was also just tired of the bickering and was trying to end at least one argument. I see that it was kind of pointless on my part. Bickering is the nature of the internet.

Plus I am getting over a migraine, so my reading comprehension might not be at its best.

I apologize if I was disrespectful towards you.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 12, 2014 - 07:35pm PT
Accepted and appreciated. If you're tired of a certain posters behavior in the future, I would only ask you to deal with them, not me. I have nothing to do with how other posters choose to behave, even if they make me the target. Please don't try to involve me in that stuff.
John M

climber
Mar 12, 2014 - 07:39pm PT
I have NEVER,,,repeat NEVER started this shyt slinging here or any other thread in the cyber world no matter the forum. REPEAT ,,NEVER.

This is utter and complete bullsh#t. You have tossed sneers and insults as much as anyone on this forum. First last or whatever. Its the same argument given in the middle east. He started it. Bah..
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 12, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
If you've ever sought relationship advice from any source, the Golden Rule is to avoid trying to find out 'who started it'.

By far the most successful process I've found for making personal relationships better is to focus on the present and future and forget past transgressions. It's not easy to do - it goes against our evolved need for fairness - but the outcomes are so much better for building trust. It's very hard to ask another person what they want to happen next when you feel they've just wronged you - but it can short circuit a circle jerk pretty quickly.

It's amazing how few people realize how much freedom they really have in this regard. A lot of folks choose to be slaves to their amygdala and its evolutionary emotional responses.

South Africa faced this choice at the end of apartheid - vengeance or forgiveness? They chose the latter, and, contrary to many predictions at the time, that country did not unravel.

It works closer to home, too.

Ours is a 'punishment' society. Our incarceration rate requires no introduction. Our is also a pretty unhappy society, according to comparative data, anyway. More often than not, putting your weapons down and 'being a pussy' or whatever produces longer term, more stable solutions to seemingly intractable conflict.
John M

climber
Mar 12, 2014 - 07:52pm PT


Ron.. you have been attacked merciless by a few. That I don't care for. I have attempted to put a stop to it, but when you take the low road, it makes it difficult to defend you.

He started it, He started it.

Yeah.. okay.. whatever. Feel better now?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 12, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
Here is a great example of Ron's measured and reasonable responses.

I started it this Mar 11, 2014 at 07:14pm PT
trying to be funny by posting;

"Not to mention that you are also an honorary member of the Oompa Loompa tribe."

Ron responded.
Mar 11, 2014 - 08:09pm PT

" GO FEKK YURSELF with a barbed wire dildo."

Classy.
John M

climber
Mar 12, 2014 - 08:01pm PT
Philo.. it doesn't reflect well on you either. good grief.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 12, 2014 - 08:02pm PT
Good grief it was a joke.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 12, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
There are a handful of common behaviors that seem to perpetuate any unlubricated circle jerk.

a) put words into someones mouth. "Oh, you worship Obama/Bush". You don't get to think or speak for other people without their consent. This include 'fixing it for ya'. That's a particularly shitty form of this.

b) name calling. I've seen one poster demand that another stop this - and call them a fkng moron in the very same sentence. There's an art to the insult - be a bit more creative and never do it without at least a bit of humor to soften it. And the less personal, the better.

and

c) 'call someone out' or otherwise attempt to 'punish' someone. You're on a keyboard, fer fuks sake. You can't really 'punish' someone with a keyboard - and why are you into 'punishing' someone anyway? I've seen one poster celebrate another's catching the flu (not here). Really? Look into your issues, dood.

to this list I will add:

Just choose not to be insulted. Its way easier than you might think. It makes you a much freer person - your no longer a slave to that little chunk of grey matter that controls animal responses. Celebrate a world that just isn't fair - cuz it never was.
John M

climber
Mar 12, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
Obviously you saw that he didn't take it as a joke. If you really meant it as a joke, then you would have been concerned when you saw that he didn't take it as a joke. A decent person would have tried to do something about that. So to me you either aren't behaving like a decent person, or you didn't really mean it as a joke, but as a dig.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 12, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
Im sorry John I don't groc your issue.

What was so terribly unfunny about my Oopa Loompa comment?
Because I didn't say the other actually unfunny part, Ron did.

If you had followed the full context my comment was a mild mannered jab at Ron.
And where was the great harm there?
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 12, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
With apologies to my friend Don, but here's a true Honorary Member of the Oompa Loompa Tribe:

Oompa Loompa
Oompa Loompa
Credit: Tvash

Taken during a brief lull in a full blizzard. Only a real climber could have snapped this shot.

A real stupid climber.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 12, 2014 - 08:18pm PT
^^^What is that, Triple C's on Dragontail?
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