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Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 11, 2013 - 02:16pm PT

you are a member of the "wrong" political party, per your own stated "values"

isn't it about time you admitted it and renounced them as Chuck Hagel, Arlen Spector, Jim Webb, and Charlie Crist did?
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.

Sometimes LA
Jan 11, 2013 - 03:10pm PT

Like the senate's filibuster rule, it sounds like it's time for reform of this too.

Do you burst into flames below the 49th parallel north?

Jan 11, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
GOP Looks For Ways To Stop The Rape Comments


Former Rep. Mary Bono Mack (R-Calif.) questioned why Gingrey was talking about the months-old comment in the first place.

“There’s no way to defend what Todd Akin said,” Bono Mack said. “You just can’t do it and you shouldn’t try to put it into a scientific context. It was a bad statement. And to try to defend it or explain someone else’s poor choice of words, it would be a fool’s errand.”
Bono Mack, who was first elected in 1998 but lost her reelection this fall, said some House Republicans don’t understand the full range of emotions associated with the abortion debate."

Thanks Mary - maybe I shouldn't have video-teched on all those TV spots for the guy who beat you...



Jan 14, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
Time to resume Republican bashing. They still are WRONG about every stinkin' thing.
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 14, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
Supreme Court justice Clarence Thomas spoke in court today, for the first time since 2006. He made a short remark about lawyers from Yale.

Presumably he subscribes to the idea that it's better to stay quiet and allow people to have some doubt as to whether you're a fool, than to speak and confirm it.

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
Mr. Norton..That is an excellent point you made about the Republicans now having to pay for all the pork , iraq-Afghanistan , that they passed several years ago...I think this point needs to drilled into their simple little minds on Fox news...They need to be reminded , although they probably never knew , that it is their party that created the debt that they suddenly find so important to pay..idiots...

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 14, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
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Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 15, 2013 - 07:47am PT
from omb:

hmmm...look closely at 2003-2006
hmmm...look closely at 2003-2006
Credit: bookworm

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Jan 15, 2013 - 08:09am PT
Let me walk you through this cuz some of you guys have a serious inability to connect the proper dots, but that goes without saying because if your criticizing me here you love the State.

Big stone in the wazoo said

...by suckling at the teat of the state as a public school teacher.

To which I replied

I do not touch a single dollar I get paid in this position, but yes I do put it away for future use.

Because this guys throws around a lot of crap I just wanted him to be accurate, I do not suck on this teat, I have a breast milk pump and I store it away because the person (the State) behind this teat, has for my entire adult life taken money from me by coercion.

He continues
The idea that you are responsible for educating young people makes me physically ill.

Now its starting to get a bit psychotic, that I sitting here in sunny Hawaii have the power to make someone ill. Dood….get help.

Some other guy chimes in…

He's "justifying" taking money from the gov't by not spending it - get it?

Try reading that again Champ, my justification is that all $$ earned by me has previously been taken from me and reasons I care not to share with some on this site.

Lets continue, and you can see how the tone changes to a mere conversation, not psychotic rantings
So you chose teaching as a profession in order to receive "payback?"

No I chose teaching because it is a great occupation; the closest school to my home is a public school and a great public school at that. I have eliminated traffic in my life; I wish all of that same peace. I will gladly share with you how this came about but I’ll keep that off this site because there are some real jerks here.

Are you going to quit when you are made whole, or will you just keep taking the paychecks - money presumably "stolen' from someone else?

Plan already made, I’ll quit and gladly step into my retirement. Yes I know if I was true diehard Libertarian I would refuse to hold this job. We each do what we have to but it doesn’t mean I am going to forget everything I know about governments and economics.

What are we really arguing here? Party members are economic creationists. I am not

I have seen economic harmony absent of state direction. So have you, what Czar directed the creation of the pencil? Yet you have been indoctrinated so you mock anything contrary to the view given to you.

How does anyone get a degree in History and not grow increasingly skeptical about State power? I did and I have.

Aloha, Have a wonderful week.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2013 - 08:37am PT
You never got back to me on the lie I posted

I say you're Wrong!

Gym climber
Jan 15, 2013 - 10:31am PT
House Republican leaders have signed on to spend up to $3 million to keep defending the Defense of Marriage Act in court, according to a copy of their newly revised legal contract obtained by The Huffington Post.

Where is the outrage from GOP members over frivolous spending??

Separation of Church and State? Was that really in the Constitution??

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Jan 15, 2013 - 11:54am PT
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
Why do Republicans life in a fantasy world ?

America’s War for Reality

by Robert Parry
Published on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 by Consortium News

The real struggle confronting the United States is not between the Right and the Left in any traditional sense, but between those who believe in reality and those who are entranced by unreality. It is a battle that is testing whether fact-based people have the same determination to fight for their real-world view as those who operate in a fact-free space do in defending their illusions.President Ronald Reagan.

These battle lines do relate somewhat to the Right/Left divide because today’s right-wing has embraced ideological propaganda as truth more aggressively and completely than those on the Left, though the Left (and the Center, too) are surely not immune from the practice of ignoring facts in pursuit of some useful agit-prop.

But key elements of the American Right have set up permanent residence in the world of make-believe, making any commonsense approach to the real-world challenges nearly politically impossible. The Right’s fantasists also have the passions of true-believers, like a cult that gets angrier the more its views are questioned.

So, it doesn’t matter that scientific evidence proves global warming is real; the deniers will insist the facts are simply a government ploy to impose “tyranny.” It doesn’t matter how many schoolchildren are slaughtered by semi-automatic assault rifles – or what the real history of the Second Amendment was. To the gun fanatics, the Framers wanted armed rebellion against the non-violent political process they worked so hard to create.

On more narrow questions, it doesn’t matter whether President Barack Obama presents his short or long birth certificates, he must have somehow fabricated the Hawaiian state records to hide his Kenyan birth. Oh, yes, and Obama is “lazy” even though he may appear to an objective observer to be a multi-tasking workaholic.

Simply put, the Right fights harder for its fantasyland than the rest of America does for the real world.

The American Right’s collective departure from reality can be traced back decades, but clearly accelerated with the emergence of former actor Ronald Reagan on the national stage. Even his admirers acknowledge that Reagan had a strained relationship with facts, preferring to illustrate his points with distorted or apocryphal anecdotes.

Reagan’s detachment from reality extended from foreign policy to economics. As his rival for the 1980 Republican presidential nomination, George H.W. Bush famously labeled Reagan’s supply-side policies – of massive tax cuts for the rich which would supposedly raise more revenues – as “voodoo economics.”

But Bush, who knew better, then succumbed to Reagan’s political clout as he accepted Reagan’s vice presidential offer. In that way, the senior Bush would become a model for how other figures in the Establishment would pragmatically bend to Reagan’s casual disregard for reality.

Perception Management

The Reagan administration also built around the President a propaganda infrastructure that systematically punished politicians, citizens, journalists or anyone who dared challenge the fantasies. This private-public collaboration – coordinating right-wing media with government disinformationists – brought home to America the CIA’s strategy of “perception management” normally aimed at hostile populations.

Thus, the Nicaraguan Contras, who in reality were drug-connected terrorists roaming the countryside murdering, torturing and raping, became “the moral equivalent” of America’s Founding Fathers. To say otherwise marked you as a troublemaker who had to be “controversialized” and marginalized.

The remarkable success of Reagan’s propaganda was a lesson not lost on a young generation of Republican operatives and the emerging neoconservatives who held key jobs in Reagan’s Central American and public-diplomacy operations, the likes of Elliott Abrams and Robert Kagan. The neocons’ devotion to imperialism abroad seemed to motivate their growing disdain for empiricism at home. Facts didn’t matter; results did. [See Robert Parry’s Lost History.]

But this strategy wouldn’t have worked if not for gullible rank-and-file right-wingers who were manipulated by an endless series of false narratives. The Republican political pros manipulated the racial resentments of neo-Confederates, the religious zeal of fundamentalist Christians, and the free-market hero worship of Ayn Rand acolytes.

"What was left of the Left often behaved like disgruntled fans in the bleachers booing everyone on the field, the bad guys who were doing terrible things as well as the not-so-bad guys who were doing the best they could under impossible conditions."

That these techniques succeeded in a political system that guaranteed freedom of speech and the press was not only a testament to the skills of Republican operatives like Lee Atwater and Karl Rove. It was an indictment of America’s timid Center and the nation’s ineffectual Left. Simply put, the Right fought harder for its fantasyland than the rest of America did for the real world.

There were a number of key turning points in this “info-war.” For instance, Reagan’s secret relationship with the Iranian mullahs was partly revealed in the Iran-Contra scandal, but its apparent origins in treacherous Republican activities during Campaign 1980 – contacting Iran behind President Jimmy Carter’s back – were swept under the rug by mainstream Democrats and the Washington press corps.

Similarly, evidence of Contra drug-trafficking – and even CIA admissions about covering up and protecting those crimes – were downplayed by the major newspapers, including the Washington Post and the New York Times. Ditto the work of Central American truth commissions exposing massive human rights violations that Reagan aided and abetted.

The fear of taking on the Reagan propaganda machine in any serious or consistent way was so great that nearly everyone looked to their careers or their personal pleasures. One side dug in for political warfare and the other, too often, favored trips to wine country.

Distrusting the MSM

As this anti-empiricism deepened over several decades, the remaining thinking people in America came to distrust the mainstream. The initials “MSM” – standing for “mainstream media” – became an expression of derision and contempt, not undeserved given the MSM’s repeated failure to fight for the truth.

National Democrats, too, showed little fight. When evidence of Republican misconduct was available – as in the investigations of the early 1990s into Iran-Contra, Iraq-gate and the October Surprise case – accommodating Democrats, such as Rep. Lee Hamilton and Sen. David Boren chose to look the other way. [See Robert Parry’s America’s Stolen Narrative.]

The Democrats even submitted when the Right and the Republicans overturned the electoral will of the American people, as happened in Election 2000 when George W. Bush stole the Florida election and thus the White House from Al Gore. [For details, see the book, Neck Deep.]

In the decades after the Vietnam War, the American Left also drifted into irrelevance. Indeed, it’s common in some circles on the Left to observe that “America has no Left.” But what was left of the Left often behaved like disgruntled fans in the bleachers booing everyone on the field, the bad guys who were doing terrible things as well as the not-so-bad guys who were doing the best they could under impossible conditions.

"The country is going to need its conscious inhabitants of the real world to stand up with at least the same determination as the deluded denizens of the made-up world."

This post-modern United States may have reached its nadir with George W. Bush’s presidency. In 2002-03, patently false claims were made about Iraq’s WMD and virtually no one in a position of power had the courage to challenge the lies. Deceived by Bush and the neocons – with the help of centrists like Colin Powell and the editors of the Washington Post – the nation lurched off into an aggressive war of choice.

Sometimes, the Right’s contempt for reality was expressed openly. When author Ron Suskind interviewed members of the Bush administration in 2004, he encountered a withering contempt for people who refused to adjust to the new faith-based world.

Citing an unnamed senior aide to George W. Bush, Suskind wrote: “The aide said that guys like me were ‘in what we call the reality-based community,’ which he defined as people who ‘believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.’ …

“‘That’s not the way the world really works anymore,’ he continued. ‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.’”

Reality Bites Back

Despite this imperial arrogance, real reality gradually reasserted itself, both in the bloody stalemate in Iraq and in the economic crises that Bush’s anti-regulatory and low-tax policies created at home. By Election 2008, the American people were awaking with a terrible hangover from a three-decade binge on anti-reality moonshine.

In that sense, the election of Barack Obama represented a potential turning point. However, the angry Right that Ronald Reagan had built – and the corresponding crippling effects on the Center and the Left – didn’t just disappear.

The Right counterattacked ferociously against the nation’s first African-American president, even intimating violent revolution if Obama acted on his electoral mandate; Obama often behaved like one of those accommodating Democrats (in retaining much of Bush’s national security team, for instance); the mainstream press remained careerist; and the Left demanded perfection regardless of the political difficulties.

This combination of dysfunction contributed to the rise of the Tea Party and the Republican congressional victories in 2010. But Election 2012, with Obama’s reelection and a general rejection of Tea Party fanaticism, has created the chance of a do-over for American rationalists.

After all, the United States continues to see the consequences of three decades of right-wing delusions, including high unemployment; massive deficits; self-inflicted financial crises; a degraded middle class; poor health care for millions; a crumbling infrastructure; an overheating planet; costly foreign wars; a bloated Pentagon budget; and children massacred by troubled young men with ridiculously easy access to semi-automatic assault rifles.

Yet, if rational and pragmatic solutions are ever going to be applied to these problems, it is not just going to require that President Obama display more spine. The country is going to need its conscious inhabitants of the real world to stand up with at least the same determination as the deluded denizens of the made-up world.

Of course, this fight will be nasty and unpleasant. It will require resources, patience and toughness. But there is no other answer. Reality must be recovered and protected – if the planet and the children are to be saved.

© 2012 Consortium News

Trad climber
Jan 15, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
Why are democrats such pretentious a**holes?
The Warbler

the edge of America
Jan 15, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
Being called pretentious by a narrow minded right winger is a compliment

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 15, 2013 - 06:00pm PT

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 15, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Hi 84!

Can you prove the stuff you think you believe to be true?

Then you are a Democrat

If you can only throw out vague and unsupported charges and beliefs, are factually untrue most of the time, and are related to Honey Boo Boo...

well then we know all about you on this thread

so which is it, 84? you full of sh#t or not?
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