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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 11:43am PT
I wonder what American workers will think when they see their paychecks with the new tax rates,

John, what new tax rates?

Did I miss something?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
Let's get some FACTS straight, ok?

There have been NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX INCREASES on those making under 400K

And, for those making OVER 400K, ONLY the amount OVER 400K with have a $46 extra Federal income tax for each $1000 OVER 400K

In addition, for two years now the employee withholding on SS "wage" earning was reduced to 4.2%, effective right now that has gone back up to its decades old 6.2%

In addition, wanna try again on "Obamacare"?

YES, there ARE certain "high income" revenues in the ACA, but not for the real middle class earners, and don't get picky by "middle class"

lastly, why guess at what was passed, why not take a couple of minutes and READ IT
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
Yes, you did, Ken. There's also the rise in capital gains and dividend taxes, that hit anyone who owns stock either directly or indirectly, regardless of income. That includes an awful lot of the middle class (not to mention their pension plans, 401k's, IRA's, etc.)

The end of the 2% payroll tax holiday will probably be the biggest change most people see directly in their paychecks, though. , That reduction wasn't part of the Bush tax cuts, but an Obama tax cut. Frankly, we needed to end that cut because intentionally underfunding an actuarily insolvent system would simply have accelerated its doom. If they wanted to cut taxes for the middle class, it would have been better to do it directly on income tax rates.

Personally, I think this was about as good a deal as the American people -- left, right or center -- could expect, so in that sense, I disagree with the conservatives (such as the Heritage Foundation) who denounce it. I also think we've stimulated the economy about as much -- or more -- than we can afford. That means there really isn't room for either more tax cuts or more spending increases.

The main thing to remember about this deal, though, is that it makes the Bush tax cuts for most Americans permanent. The Democrats' votes for this deal belie their contention that the Bush tax cuts caused the economy to tank.

John
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
lastly, why guess at what was passed, why not take a couple of minutes and READ IT

Because I can't read 157 pages of legislation in a couple of minutes.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/fiscal-cliff-bill-full-text-85644.html?hp=lh_b2

John
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
fine, then don't speculate on what is in it and make up stuff

like saying "tax rates" are going up on the middle class, they are NOT

want to get real SPECIFIC about your generalization regarding the ACA tax increases?

oh forget it, John

I know how your brain works, you mostly come across as reasonable and "fair minded"

but when it comes right down to it, you are just slightly more factually correct than the normal rot of the right wing, and you are just as likely to be a prick and try real hard to seize on any god damn thing to point out to criticize as somehow adding to the debt

wanna talk about the "debt" John, and why you "think" you vote Republican?

I'm your huckleberry
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
Oh come on, Norton. You don't need to hold back. I can take it!

How would you characterize the "medical devices tax?"

John
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Yes, you did, Ken. There's also the rise in capital gains and dividend taxes, that hit anyone who owns stock either directly or indirectly, regardless of income. That includes an awful lot of the middle class (not to mention their pension plans, 401k's, IRA's, etc.)

The end of the 2% payroll tax holiday will probably be the biggest change most people see directly in their paychecks, though. , That reduction wasn't part of the Bush tax cuts, but an Obama tax cut. Frankly, we needed to end that cut because intentionally underfunding an actuarily insolvent system would simply have accelerated its doom. If they wanted to cut taxes for the middle class, it would have been better to do it directly on income tax rates.


John, the rise in the Capital Gains and Dividend taxes only applies to those who make more than $400,000 a year.

That is definitely in the 1%, and I'd hardly call that group the working class of America. Very few are employees, most are managers/owners/professionals.

The income tax rate on the working class is unchanged as near as I can see.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
Thanks, Ken. I misread the section. You are correct. That makes me feel quite a bit better about the Congress and President, because I could not see any justification for a general rise in those rates unless it compensated for a drop in corporate tax rates.

John
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
FYI,, all those NEW cyber sections of the NDAA 2013 are NOW IN EFFECT...

We all may have a cyber file soon.. just sayin...
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 2, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
We already have a cyber file Ron. :)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
ohhhhlawdy!!!! I better run fer the hillz!;^)

Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 2, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
I'm checking it out right now... Veeeery interesting stuff in here.... :)
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 2, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
How would you characterize the "medical devices tax?"

same way I feel about the tax on "tanning" salons, I don't give a damn


there are tremendous profits in many areas of what is borderline "healthcare"

surely even you would agree "nothing is free"

and when you god damn are trying insure 20 million more Americans

well then boo fuking boo hoo, you gotta raise revenue to do it

BFD, try again to find something, anything to criticize, that IS the conservative nature

and never, ever, try to be part of any solution because then YOU might be criticized

it takes guts to pass damn good legislation, any child can say no and throw rocks


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Crimpie,,(GULP)!....


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 2, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
JohnE?

As I consider you personally to be the single most capable forum Republican in terms of putting forth your party's ideology, can I invite you to have a discussion, and not a heated debate, on US "debt"?

such as: does it matter, or not as Dick Cheney said: "Deficits don't matter, Reagan proved that"

the consequences of federal, not state, deficits and the national debt

you game?
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
the DOW up 308 to 13412 and Gas is well below $3/gallon here ($2.79 at one place).

Obama has failed. Democrats have failed.

The rebugnitards were right all along.

And if you support Boner today you should be ashamed to be a rebugnitard. Letting the house go before voting on Sandy Support is despicable.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
and borrowing interest rates at all time record breaking lows, not highs

how can this be when the national debt is now 16 trillion!

why, old man conventional wisdom has been so so very wrong, he who screamed the consequences of US debt would be rampant inflation and sky high interest rates


I know why Conventional Wisdom was and continues to be SO wrong, do you?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:01pm PT

Ordered to lie on the table and to be printed AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE intended to be proposed by Mr. REID (for himself and Mr. MCCONNELL)

Viz:

1 Strike all after the enacting clause and insert the fol-
2 lowing:
3
4 SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE, ETC. (a) SHORT TITLE.--This Act may be cited as the
5 ''American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012''.
6 (b) AMENDMENT OF 1986 CODE.--Except as other-
7 wise expressly provided, whenever in this Act an amend
8 ment or repeal is expressed in terms of an amendment
9 to, or repeal of, a section or other provision, the reference


Folks get paid to write this stuff?

Noam Chomsky (substitute appropriate right wing linguist if desired) couldn't even decipher this syntax.


Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 2, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
The meltdown continues...

Elected officials from the New York area erupted with outrage on Wednesday after the House refused to take up a federal aid package for states that suffered damages from Hurricane Sandy, and even local Republicans attacked their Congressional leaders for their inaction.

“I’m saying right now, anyone from New York or New Jersey who contributes one penny to Congressional Republicans is out of their minds,” Representative Peter T. King, a Long Island Republican, said during an interview on CNN on Wednesday morning. “Because what they did last night was put a knife in the back of New Yorkers and New Jerseyans. It was an absolute disgrace.”

Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, a Republican, furiously accused the Congressional leadership of his own party of “duplicity” and “selfishness,” and called the decision not to hold a vote on the storm-relief measure “irresponsible.” He said the legislation had fallen victim to “palace intrigue,” and “it’s why the American people hate Congress.”

And Representative Michael G. Grimm, a Republican from Staten Island, said the failure to vote was a “betrayal.” He urged that action be taken as soon as possible.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/nyregion/congressional-members-blast-house-for-ignoring-storm-aid-bill.html?hp&_r=0

The Republicans will no doubt next argue that just because a budget was just approved, including an explicit increase in the debt limit, that doesn't mean that they'll approve the latter. A bit confused on cause and effect, apparently - but then, science clearly isn't their strong suit.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 2, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
It's truly amazing that some Cannoks are as well educated on American Politics as us American left wing political junkies

Keep up the good work

I can understand the fascination, the question of Why Right Wing Americans can be soooooooooo deluded must be intriguing at so many levels
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