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Mimi

climber
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:11pm PT
Norton, it doesn't matter who was in the majority IMO. The spending went up, deals were cut as needed, and the can keeps getting kicked.

One point of view I can't ignore is that all of these guys perform for the same puppet masters and we are merely being distracted/fooled by the perceived battle over ideology. Or not?

The bias between our two camps is a no win argument. We'll always disagree based on an ideological approach and we are stubborn and believe we're right when all of these guys/gals in WA are a bunch of crooks. Some are just better than others. Pick a side.
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
Hey I hate the Republican party as much as anyone and criticized Bush as much as I criticize O. I'm just saying it ain't so cut and dry. They are all basically criminals...
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:17pm PT
Prickle
Bush provided them with faulty intelligence

They were voting in good faith that No sitting President would lie, since that would be treason.

But he lied,
and anyway, the vote was to continue to look for WMDs, not invade.

Right so its not any of the Dems faults that voted for it.

Now lets see who was on the intelligence committee..
2001-2002
Democrats
Republicans
Bob Graham,
Florida
Chairman Richard C. Shelby,
Alabama
Vice Chairman
Carl Levin,
Michigan Jon Kyl,
Arizona
John D. Rockefeller IV, West Virginia James M. Inhofe,
Oklahoma
Dianne Feinstein,
California Orrin G. Hatch,
Utah
Ron Wyden,
Oregon Pat Roberts,
Kansas
Richard Durbin,
Illinois Mike DeWine,
Ohio
Evan Bayh,
Indiana Fred Thompson,
Tennessee
John Edwards,
North Carolina Richard G. Lugar,
Indiana
Barbara A. Mikulski, Maryland

They all got fooled by Bush? Really?

So Bush went and looked at the faulty intelligence and said "ah its a good excuse to get the man who my daddy hates hahaha"? Or did he just make it up in his brilliant mind?

I thought he was supposed to be an idiot?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:18pm PT
Yes, dik and dub took advantage of a terrified population to foist their Neocon agenda on us. I certainly thought the invasion of Iraq was insanity from its beginning, but I understand the political dilemma circumstances put Democrat representatives in.

republicons played a very devious and dishonest game to start "Operation Iraqi Freedom". The silver lining is that it likely destroyed their party in the long run.

I'm proud that our current president spoke out against the invasion at the time.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:18pm PT
Mimi! I have no problem with your Washington Post Household budget analogy quote.



Annual family income: $21,700
Money the family spent: $38,200
New debt on the credit card: $16,500
Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710

Total budget cuts so far: $38.50

The problem stands out like a black eye.

But which problem stands out like a black eye?


Since the analogy family income dropped a bunch during the last Republican administration, maybe the analogy family needs to raise their income. I can't imagine many families cutting their spending by 1/2 to start repaying credit card debt.


I'm all for program cuts and tax increases. It appears the Republicans in Congress can only imagine cuts to Social Security & Medicare, but not to any program that makes their rich benefactors richer.

prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:18pm PT
So do the Repubs that voted for it get a pass too or were they in on it with Bush?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:20pm PT
in lockstep
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:22pm PT
So they knew the intel was bad but went along with it and the dems got fooled?
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:27pm PT
(Prescription Drug and Medicare Improvement Act of 2003 )

Vote Counts: YEAs 54
NAYs 44
Not Voting 2
Grouped by Home State
Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Alaska: Murkowski (R-AK), Yea Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Nay
Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Nay
California: Boxer (D-CA), Nay Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Colorado: Allard (R-CO), Yea Campbell (R-CO), Yea
Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Nay Lieberman (D-CT), Not Voting
Delaware: Biden (D-DE), Nay Carper (D-DE), Yea
Florida: Graham (D-FL), Nay Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Miller (D-GA), Yea
Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Nay Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Idaho: Craig (R-ID), Yea Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Nay Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea
Indiana: Bayh (D-IN), Nay Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Kansas: Brownback (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Kentucky: Bunning (R-KY), Yea McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Louisiana: Breaux (D-LA), Yea Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Maryland: Mikulski (D-MD), Nay Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Nay Kerry (D-MA), Not Voting
Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Nay Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Minnesota: Coleman (R-MN), Yea Dayton (D-MN), Nay
Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Yea Lott (R-MS), Nay
Missouri: Bond (R-MO), Yea Talent (R-MO), Yea
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Burns (R-MT), Yea
Nebraska: Hagel (R-NE), Nay Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nevada: Ensign (R-NV), Nay Reid (D-NV), Nay
New Hampshire: Gregg (R-NH), Nay Sununu (R-NH), Nay
New Jersey: Corzine (D-NJ), Nay Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Nay Domenici (R-NM), Yea
New York: Clinton (D-NY), Nay Schumer (D-NY), Nay
North Carolina: Dole (R-NC), Yea Edwards (D-NC), Nay
North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Yea Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Ohio: DeWine (R-OH), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Oklahoma: Inhofe (R-OK), Yea Nickles (R-OK), Nay
Oregon: Smith (R-OR), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Yea
Pennsylvania: Santorum (R-PA), Yea Specter (R-PA), Yea
Rhode Island: Chafee (R-RI), Nay Reed (D-RI), Nay
South Carolina: Graham (R-SC), Nay Hollings (D-SC), Nay
South Dakota: Daschle (D-SD), Nay Johnson (D-SD), Nay
Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Frist (R-TN), Yea
Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Utah: Bennett (R-UT), Yea Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Vermont: Jeffords (I-VT), Yea Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Virginia: Allen (R-VA), Yea Warner (R-VA), Yea
Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Nay Murray (D-WA), Nay
West Virginia: Byrd (D-WV), Nay Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
Wisconsin: Feingold (D-WI), Nay Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Wyoming: Enzi (R-WY), Yea Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
Bush lied, and invaded an unarmed country based on his lies

Then bankrupted the Country, and set in motion the biggest Depression since the last Great Republican Depression

Every aspect of the American Gov. is worse off now because of Bush.

we are paying for the Republican agenda, and it sucks.

It doesn't matter how many Dems voted for Bush's lies, it matters that Bush did what he did.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:31pm PT
Dr. F... Bush took faulty intelligence knowing full well that it was faulty and lied to America in his state of the union speech to drum up interest on invading Iraq...The CIA asked Bush not to use the phony intelligence report in his state of the Union speech and now here we are 14 years later picking up the pieces of Bush's wreckless policies...Oh yeah right ..The Dems are just like the Republicans...How dumb of me not to notice....Duh...!
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:31pm PT
Didn't say they were in on it, necessarily.

Conservatives by nature, particularly repubs, and specifically repubs in that situation tend to stick together without questioning their authority figure(s).

IOW they march in lockstep.

Democrats did not support the invasion across the board, for a variety of good reasons.


This is just a general observation of the dynamics of conservative politics.

The lack of lockstep, presently, is an exception to the rule, and likely symptomatic of the death throes of republiconism as it was during the dubya regime.



prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
well i guess the dems don't march in lockstep cuz a bunch of them keep voting with the republicans LOL

And that Bush must be a whole lot smarter than everyone gives him credit! He fooled all the smart people..
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:49pm PT
So do the Repubs that voted for it get a pass too or were they in on it with Bush?

So they knew the intel was bad but went along with it and the dems got fooled?

 Q1 - No the rebutts are just as bad as the dems, all were all caught up in an after tragedy retribution fervor.

 Q2 - Not being given the facts by the so called "president" of the united states would tend to cloud ones judgement. Bush, like Nixon before him, put a stain on the office of the president of the united states for ever. And the stench of each of their actions will live with us for eternity
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:50pm PT
Didn't say they were in on it, necessarily.

Right the repubs were acting on the same faulty intelligence report that the dems were acting on.

Everyone in congress at the time got the same report as did the president.

The intel that there was no WMD's came from a high ranking Iraqi official who Bush didn't believe.

So the national intelligence report said they were there and the iraqi official said there were none.

those are the facts kids.
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:52pm PT
On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddamís inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD. No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.
Salon-
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:53pm PT
Who was the Iraqi clown that Bush was paying 400 G a year to give us bogus intelligence...?
Mimi

climber
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:59pm PT
Read the 275 page UN weapons inspection report about the supposed WMD in Iraq. Saddam supposedly destroyed a lot of them but didn't document the inventory so the UN inspectors who were there the whole time had no clue what the truth was. They had anecdotal information and accounting records of the chemical precursors and a few sarin rounds. Saddam had to pretend he had this stuff to thwart Iran and the West. Or so he thought.

Everyone and their brother suspected Iraq had stuff. Bush called Saddam's bluff and invaded. And what's with the huge tractor trailer convoys seen on the highways into Syria before the 2003 invasion? I've always said this must've been Mrs. Saddam's antique collection but a Syrian defector claimed that WMD from Iraq was taken to the Baqaa Valley for safekeeping.

And there were terrorists being harbored by Saddam at different times that warranted concern post-911. His rogue behavior, desperation for money since he was bankrupt after the Kuwait invasion, and sitting on 25% of the world's oil made him a sitting duck no matter who was POTUS. Too bad the place was a worse shithole than anyone could have dreamed. But when you liberate a country with sectarian strife that's been dominated by a tyrant since 1968, what do you expect?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 30, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
North Korea and China has STUFF....Let's invade and cut taxes on the 1%...Woo hoo....! RJ
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Dec 30, 2012 - 06:06pm PT
Read up on the Office of Special Plans. It was created to stovepipe top Bush officials with unvetted 'evidence' that Iraq had wmd's and links to Al Qaeda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans

Seymour Hersh writes that, according to an unnamed Pentagon adviser, "[OSP] was created in order to find evidence of what Wolfowitz and his boss, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, wanted to be trueóthat Saddam Hussein had close ties to Al Qaeda, and that Iraq had an enormous arsenal of chemical, biological, and possibly even nuclear weapons (WMD) that threatened the region and, potentially, the United States. [...] 'The agency [CIA] was out to disprove linkage between Iraq and terrorism,' the Pentagon adviser told me. 'Thatís what drove them. If youíve ever worked with intelligence data, you can see the ingrained views at C.I.A. that color the way it sees data.' The goal of Special Plans, he said, was 'to put the data under the microscope to reveal what the intelligence community canít see.'"[5]
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