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Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 11, 2012 - 10:31pm PT

i wouldn't vote for this awful pig of a woman if she was the last person on earth
what the hell is wrong with arizona
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 11, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
Dr. F. is now #40,000 and #40,001. Sorry, Karl - you were briefly #40,000, but have been demoted to #39,999. But think of the 9s and upside-down 6s.

I just needed my 15 minutes of fame. I can die now in peace



Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 12, 2012 - 05:01am PT
Right to work is simply another Republican ploy to silence opposition from the workers - voters who vote Democrat....Why is it constitutional for corporations to contribute wasteful amounts of bribe money to our lawmakers and unconstitutional for union workers to donate a mere pittance from their pay checks ...? The Republican party is desperate and knows they are losing ground with their narrow agenda of government for the rich leading to a new level of cynicisim and regressive lawmaking...

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Dec 12, 2012 - 05:36am PT
i wouldn't vote for this awful pig of a woman if she was the last person on earth
what the hell is wrong with arizona

She said, "I probably don't believe it is man made..."

WTF does that mean? She's about as smart as a bag of hammers.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 12, 2012 - 07:11am PT
. Right to work is simply another Republican ploy to silence opposition from the workers - voters who vote Democrat....Why is it constitutional for corporations to contribute wasteful amounts of bribe money to our lawmakers and unconstitutional for union workers to donate a mere pittance from their pay checks ...? The Republican party is desperate and knows they are losing ground with their narrow agenda of government for the rich leading to a new level of cynicisim and regressive lawmaking...

I think we all have to realise that there is no republican party anymore - in that sense there is nothing to win or lose anymore.
But in the sense that the the republican party is now corporate, foreign and mulitnational power they still win everyday - they are winning on every level and they never give up.

It's like outward skin of the Republican party is still there but underneath all that is left is a turning and frothing body of maggots. A body taken over by its alien hosts.

What is occuring is very very very very very serious.
Increasing industrializarion, environmental destruction, corporate oligarchy power, and decreasing workers rights and weakening governments all over the globe.
This is a mess - its not an exaggeration to say we are headed for another dark ages and there wont be f*#k all left after this one.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 12, 2012 - 07:33am PT
Right to work is simply another Republican ploy to silence opposition from the workers - voters who vote Democrat....Why is it constitutional for corporations to contribute wasteful amounts of bribe money to our lawmakers and unconstitutional for union workers to donate a mere pittance from their pay checks ...? The Republican party is desperate and knows they are losing ground with their narrow agenda of government for the rich leading to a new level of cynicisim and regressive lawmaking...
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 07:43am PT
Donald Trump - perhaps the most perfect posterchild for Right wing entitlement!


When giving that annual gift of Single Malt, this year make sure it is Glennfidich. In fact lets all go way out of our way to buy in by the crate, case or barrel this year.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 07:44am PT
Here's a contest that Romney didn't lose:

Lie of the Year: the Romney campaign's ad on Jeeps made in China


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Dec 12, 2012 - 08:11am PT
Obama will go down as one of our greatest presidents...rebuilding the country, destroying the current republican party and finally giving equal rights to gays and women.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 12, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
Republican nightmare:

Credit: Ken M

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Dec 12, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.

Dec 12, 2012 - 08:11pm PT

In Talks, G.O.P. May Have to Just Say Yes
Published: December 8, 2012

IN their book, “Getting to Yes,” Roger Fisher and William Ury introduce what may be the most important concept in the theory of negotiations: the best alternative to a negotiated agreement, or Batna. Knowing your true Batna — and your adversary’s — is critical in bargaining. A vivid example from the entertainment world illustrates the concept and offers some useful hints about how the current fiscal negotiations in Washington are likely to unfold.

The Warner Brothers 1999 hit comedy “Analyze This” portrays a mob boss (Robert De Niro) and his psychiatrist (Billy Crystal), who share a passion for the recordings of Tony Bennett. With the film almost completed — and with Mr. Bennett already an integral part of the plot — the studio finally got around to approaching the crooner with an offer of $15,000 to sing “I’ve Got the World on a String” in the movie’s closing scene. But as Danny Bennett, the singer’s son and business manager, later explained, the executives made a fatal mistake by not scheduling this conversation sooner: “Hey, they shot the whole film around Tony being the end gag and they’re offering me $15,000?”

Had studio officials made their offer at the outset, they would have had much more leverage. If the Bennetts demanded an unreasonable sum, the filmmakers could have rewritten the script and used some other singer. At the 11th hour, however, Warner Brothers’ best alternative to a negotiated agreement was to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars reshooting the film. In the end, the studio paid Tony Bennett $200,000 for a brief cameo appearance.

A similar logic is shaping the current negotiations between President Obama and Congressional Republicans. The Republicans want to keep everyone’s tax rates the same while raising revenue by closing tax loopholes yet unspecified. The president, for his part, wants to restore the 39.6 percent top tax rate for families earning more than $250,000, while maintaining current rates for everyone else. But with the Bush tax cuts scheduled to expire at year’s end, the Republicans face a hurdle similar to the one that confronted Warner Brothers.

In the earlier instance, both sides knew that failure to reach agreement would be far more costly to Warner Brothers than to Tony Bennett. Here as well, both sides know that failure to reach agreement before January will be much more costly to the Republican negotiators than to the president. That’s because expiration of the Bush tax cuts lets Mr. Obama confront the Republicans with an extremely unpalatable choice.

If the year ends without a deal, tax rates for everyone automatically revert to those in effect when President Bill Clinton left office. Neither side wants that to happen, but if it does, the president has a strong hand to play. On Day 1 of the new Congressional session, he could propose legislation that would restore the Bush tax cuts for families with incomes under $250,000. Republicans could then vote in favor, in which case the president gets exactly what he had hoped for; or they could vote against, in which case they will have blocked a reduction in almost every voter’s tax rates. They may wish that these weren’t the alternatives they face, but both sides know that many Republicans would find the second option politically untenable.

That realization appears to have led some Republicans to resurrect their time-honored claim that because many top earners own small businesses, higher top tax rates would severely compromise job creation. But that argument flies in the face of the basic cost-benefit test that governs rational hiring decisions. As every economics textbook on the subject makes clear, a business will hire additional workers whenever, and only whenever, their contribution to the bottom line promises to exceed their pay. If that criterion is satisfied, hiring makes economic sense, no matter how poor the business owner might be. And if it isn’t, no hiring will occur, even if the owner is a billionaire.

An awareness of the weakness of their negotiating position may also explain recent Republican attempts to portray the impasse in Washington as a fiscal cliff that poses an unthinkable disaster for the nation. But as Jonathan Chait of New York magazine has argued, the fiscal cliff is a bad metaphor for the situation we are facing. Because middle-class tax rates would be unlikely to remain higher for long, they would have little impact on overall spending. And as the president would tell voters, even that limited impact can be avoided by making the middle-class tax cuts retroactive to Jan. 1.

THE same goes for so-called sequestration — the across-the-board spending cuts to defense and other non-entitlement spending that automatically start to occur after Jan. 1 in the absence of a budget deal. As both sides recognize, blanket cuts are a terrible way to reduce government spending. But here, too, getting to year’s end without an agreement would strengthen the president’s hand.

Government programs exist because at least some constituents want them, which makes even wasteful ones extremely difficult to cut. Both parties could curry favor by embracing proposals to restore money for the programs that voters value most, and the president could delay cuts while Congress was debating those proposals.

In short, the nation faces not a fiscal cliff, but rather a gentle fiscal slope.

Getting to January without a deal would cause anxiety that everyone wants to avoid — especially Republicans, since opinion polls suggest that most voters will blame them if negotiations break down. But the president and Republicans would prefer to reach agreement now on whatever they would be willing to agree to after new year.

Let’s hope they move rapidly. Any such agreement, however, will be heavily shaped by knowledge of what would otherwise happen after Jan. 1. As Mr. Fisher and Mr. Ury wrote, Batna is the only standard that can protect negotiators from accepting terms that are too unfavorable and from rejecting terms it would be in their interest to accept.

Some have likened today’s negotiations to a game of chicken, in which the loser is whichever of two cars on a head-on collision course swerves first. But that metaphor isn’t instructive without some additional texture: if Republicans are driving a Chevy Spark, the president is driving a Mack truck.

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 12, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
It's a pretty simple deal - democrats are all about increased taxes and have no trouble laying out what increases they want to see. Republicans are all about spending cuts but are unwilling or unable to state exactly and specifically what cuts they want.

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:15pm PT
[quote]Sep 12, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
My friend Sean was killed yesterday. He was the the Foreign Services Information Officer for the Benghazi Consulate that was attacked in a riot and then by militants (terrorists?) and discussed by Sec. Clinton http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/09/197630.htm.

I never met Sean in real life, but others I know did, and I did not know him by the name "Sean." You see, Sean and I played video games together in an online community not unlike the SuperTopo climbing community. We post on a common forum together. We compare games, strategies and talk about the rest of life too. We also hang out on a common chat server together that basically connects us in real time whenever we are online. Sean, who went by "Vile Rat" as his online handle, was online as he usually was yesterday and suddenly posted:

Vile Rat: sh#t
Vile Rate: gunfire

That was the last any of us heard from him. Soon thereafter, news of the attack rippled through our community and we were hopeful that he was ok. It seemed like only one or two people had actually been hurt in the attack, and so odds were pretty good he was ok. Plus, Sean had been stationed in Baghdad years earlier and we had grown accustomed to him having to leave his computer because of incoming mortar fire and the like. He always came back laughing some hours later and everything was fine. None of us were so lucky this time, and Sean never came back to his computer.

At first, most of us assumed it was a troll. If you think SuperTopo has infamous trolls, you know nothing of online gamers. Unfortunately, this was no troll.

Grief from our community was immediate and overwhelming. In game friends and enemies of ours alike poured out their sympathies. So many people these days spend the majority of their waking hours connected via the internet because they work in an office and recreate online. When connected by a real time chat interface and sharing an online experience like an intense player vs player combat game that involves a huge amount of communication, the bonds between people become very real and in this case for long lasting. I played with Sean for 5 years, after all. His name popped up on my screen basically every day, sometimes all day, because of his forum posting.

When the riots began with some 2000 very angry protesters at the front gates of the Consolate, the US Embassy in Egypt issued a calming statement, which I am told is standard protocol under these circumstances.


The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others

Basically, "hey guys we see that you are angry and upset and we can sympathize with why so please don't kill our buddies, thanks."

Unfortunately, the protesters later decided to scale the walls which provided cover for the assailants who began shooting small arms and RPGs. From what I gather, Sean was preparing to fleet the scene in a government car with other employees when militants shot the car with an RPG. I pray that his death was quick and painless.

After the attack was over and the State Department was able to confirm what had happened and that no more people were in harms way, Sec Clinton issued the following release:


I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today. As we work to secure our personnel and facilities, we have confirmed that one of our State Department officers was killed. We are heartbroken by this terrible loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and those who have suffered in this attack.

This evening, I called Libyan President Magariaf to coordinate additional support to protect Americans in Libya. President Magariaf expressed his condemnation and condolences and pledged his government’s full cooperation.

Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.

In light of the events of today, the United States government is working with partner countries around the world to protect our personnel, our missions, and American citizens worldwide.

These statements spread like wildfire through our gaming community as Twitter and forums posted and reposted any news about the event, confirmation of Sean's death and news reports picking up our own reports about it.

RNC chairman Reince Preibus' first response on Twitter was to attack President Obama
Obama sympathizes with attackers in Egypt. Sad and pathetic.

Romney, too, decided to attack Obama for "sympathizing" with the attackers and news of his press conference spread as fast as anything else.

It’s disgraceful that the Obama Administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.

Arizona Senator John Kyl described the situation akin to "blaming a rape victim."

These statements also rippled through the twitter feeds and chat server, paired with a rather smug looking photo of Romney allegedly walking away from the podium after having made them. http://i.imgur.com/o3ooQ.jpg (I can't confirm if that was actually true or not). The statements added to an outrage already boiling over in our community. Our friend was in harms way when they said these things, and while it would have looked like a stupid political attack had nobody been hurt, now that our friend was dead it looked incredibly self serving and cynical.

The SomethingAwful.com forum, where Sean was a moderator in the "Debate and Discussion" subforum, exploded with posts such as these:
Mittens's bullshit response to this Libya thing motivated me to make my first political donation ever, $25 to Obama.
I get paid tomorrow. I'm donating $50 to President Obama.
When I get paid Friday, money will definitely be going to Obama and Vilerat's fund if/when that happens. I live in Oklahoma, my vote might not matter (though I still vote) but at least I can help sway other parts of the country away from this monster.

A forum character who named himself "Mitt Romney" (created in 2005) posted this image:

A huge number of people also declared to "Toxx Clause" themselves for Obama. That means if Obama loses, they would be banned for life from the forums.

Toxx me for Obama. Holy f*#king sh#t Mittens. You were programmed by an as#@&%e.
For some anecdotal observations on why people toxx for Obama, I personally did after Clint Eastwood. And as you can see, a lot of people on SA are angry over Vilerat being gleefully used as a prop for Romney's campaign.

We are also taking solace in the sympathies coming from many citizens of the world, such as this image taken from Twitter:

Sean, aka Vile rat, was an avid politico and gamer. He was also a father of two. He took on dangerous posts in Afghanistan, Baghdad and finally Libya so that our diplomats would be supported in their mission of maintaining peaceful relationships with citizens and governments of other countries. He was also the owner of a truly, truly awful tattoo, for which he received endless ribbing:

Vile Rat's tat aka "Vile Tat"

Our community still mourns and numerous tributes have already been made including an obituary in a game related news site, numerous press reports commenting on the gaming community. An AP reporter even came to the house of one of our most prominent members to interview him. Tributes will continue for the next few days at the least, and no doubt numerous memes will be born from this event. It is shocking to have global events suddenly seem so personal and local; a result of being privileged enough to live in a peaceful society and also be so interconnected with the rest of the world through the net. I have not gotten much done today other than read and think about Sean.

I have realized that the saddest part about dying might be that you don't get to see people's reaction when it happens. We should all be kind enough to tell each other these things BEFORE we die.

Reuters article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/12/us-usa-libya-smith-idUSBRE88B1F720120912[/quote]


Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
40,024 posts? Really?

It'd be 80,024 if the LEB were here.

Such a pity.

Somewhere out there
Dec 13, 2012 - 06:28am PT
I'm convinced that republicons are firmly against Americans.

How do you answer for the "Right to Work" laws past in Michigan.

American has taken a step backwards thanks to republigoons eveywhere.


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 13, 2012 - 07:29am PT
Credit: philo

Dec 13, 2012 - 04:52pm PT
Q: Are Republicans right about anything?

A: No.
The Warbler

the edge of America
Dec 13, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
Here's something timely they're really wrong about from Huffington Post:

High-End Tax Hikes Would Have 'Negligible' Impact On Growth, Revised CRS Report Says
Posted: 12/13/2012 5:24 pm EST | Updated: 12/13/2012 6:17 pm EST

WASHINGTON -- A Congressional Research Service report that was reissued Thursday after Republicans complained about it before the elections still finds little evidence that the Bush-era tax cuts spurred growth or that hiking the top rates would have more than a "negligible" impact on the economy.

The CRS study did find, however, that the lower tax rates in place since 2001 have had a strong impact on increasing income inequality in America.

"Analysis of such data conducted for this report suggests the reduction in the top tax rates has had little association with saving, investment, or productivity growth," the study says. "It is reasonable to assume that a tax rate change limited to a small group of taxpayers at the top of the income distribution would have a negligible effect on economic growth."

The study focused on tax rates and economic growth since World War II. Democrats saw it as a key piece of evidence in their argument that tax rates on the top 2 percent of earners should go back up to Clinton-era levels to help deal with growing debt, deficits and the nearing "fiscal cliff." Republicans have balked, arguing that any tax hikes will hurt jobs and the economy.

"What this report demonstrates is at the core of the debate we're having right now," said Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen, the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee, adding that it "put a stake in the heart of the Republican argument that small increases in marginal tax rates for wealthy individuals somehow hurt economic growth."

Van Hollen noted that the economy under President Bill Clinton boomed in spite of tax hikes and it slowed under President George W. Bush after the tax cuts.

"What this CRS report does is take away the last little fig leaf that [Republicans] had to justify big tax cuts for very wealthy individuals," Van Hollen said.

"Republicans have simply failed to face up to the reality," said Rep. Sander Levin (D-Mich.), the top Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee. "I hope that this CRS report will add further impetus to the speaker to sit down with Republicans, because when I've talked to a few of them, I don't think they've had this discussion."

Republicans had complained about the study's methodology and said that it was biased because it used phrases such as the "Bush tax cuts" and "tax cuts for the rich."

Antonia Ferrier, a spokeswoman for Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement that the GOP still believes the report has problems, and that it was Democrats who politicized the issue.

"What is disheartening ... is that a simple conversation between congressional staff and CRS about their economic analysis was turned into a political football by Democrats," Ferrier said.

"House Democrats are doing a bizarre victory dance with this report," she added. "Since it concludes that lower statutory tax rates have little to do with economic growth and could increase income inequality, the question to those Democrats is how high do you want to jack up those taxes? Are you suggesting that we could go to pre-Kennedy era tax rates –- 91 percent top marginal tax rate and 52 percent corporate rate -– and it would NOT have an impact? We look forward to seeing that legislation."

While the CRS is the non-partisan research arm of Congress, Ferrier pointed to studies by outside groups that she said support the GOP position.

Democrats, however, offered their ideas on why they thought the GOP quashed the original document.

"Republicans tried to suppress this evidence," Van Hollen said. "They tried to prevent this report from really seeing the light of day because they don't like any evidence that exposes the fiction of their economic theory."

"The CRS report today just provides the final nail in the coffin of a fictional theory," he added.


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