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Somewhere out there
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
Back when Truman won against all odds he went to the convention and told America that he had a "do nothing" congress…. That would be the "80"th congress pictured below

Looking at the numbers when should we call the current republigoon congress:
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With this as the record… I'd have to say that they fail, and should not even be mentioned as an arm of government.

This just goes to show that republicons are right when they say that government fails…. I just go the step further to pinpoint the reason behind that failure and put it in the laps of the repblicons who hold the offices that fail most.

sh#t-brained tea bagger

 There seems to be many of these types in congress right now...


Dec 2, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
The Coming Conservative Crack-Up

Many on the right can't handle Obama's 2012 re-election, meaning a doubling down on their crazy, angry retreat from reality


Here's a thought with which to wash down your egg nog: George W. Bush may be the last white male president of your lifetime. Hillary Clinton is already the favorite for the 2016 Democratic nomination and, given her party's apparent Electoral College advantage, the way-too-early frontrunner to (re)occupy the White House next. If that is the case—and especially if her victory is powered by Hispanics and women again flocking to Democrats—it's not unreasonable to foresee a 2020 GOP ticket headed by a Marco Rubio, Susana Martinez, Ted Cruz, Brian Sandoval, or even George P. Bush (one of Jeb's Mexican-American children, famously referred to by his grandfather as one of "the little brown ones").

Even if there are future white, male presidents, it's hard to argue that 2004 won't be the last time the major parties' tickets are populated by four white men.

This line of speculation is driven by the demographic realities of 2012: We have gone over a political-cultural tipping point where Republicans can no longer hope to win the White House by dominating the white vote. The era of fetishizing Reagan Democrats is ending. This fact is informing the GOP's post-election, post-mortem infighting, with some voices arguing that the party must adjust to the new reality. See, for example, Sean Hannity having "evolved" on immigration (he now favors a path to citizenship), and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's admonition that Republicans must "stop being the stupid party." Or as Colorado GOP Rep. Cory Gardner told Politico, "The GOP had better figure out that a big tent sounds good, but if there aren't any seats in it, what good is it."

But in watching the GOP's sorting, it's important to understand that its biggest obstacle to modernization is the party itself.

Think about the animating faction of the GOP in the Obama era—a group conservative in the literal sense of being angry with and afraid of change. These are the people who would show up at Tea Party rallies toting signs about the need to "Take Back America." For four years they were assured by the conservative entertainment complex that restoring the America they grew up in was a real possibility. The vertiginous changes remaking the land could be ascribed to Barack Obama, an illegitimate fluke of a president who won only because of a one-off surge of young and minority voters powered by excitement about his historic nature and vapid "hopey–changey" rhetoric. He was "Barack the Magic Negro," in Rush Limbaugh's formulation. He was, simultaneously, helpless without his teleprompter but also a radical instituting a nefarious plan to sap America of its God-given freedoms.

The 2012 elections shattered that illusion.

Obama was only a symptom of changes in the country, not the cause. Inexorable demographics have relegated the Tea Party's America to memory. So ask yourself, how are those voters likely to react? A warm embrace of the new America? Or, faced with an unacceptable reality, will they retrench in their fantasy and double down on crazy and angry?

Consider some data points. A dozen petitions on the White House's "We the People" website requesting that individual states be permitted to "peacefully" secede have each gotten more than 20,000 signatures (prompting retiring crank Ron Paul to call secession a "deeply American principle").

Not everyone wants to leave. Some still seek refuge from the new reality: 64,000 signed a "recount the election!" petition on the grounds that Obama received more votes in one Ohio county than there were eligible voters (he didn't). Dean Chambers, who had pioneered conservative retreat from the real world with his "unskewed polls" website has established what could be called an "unskewed reality" website devoted to asserting without evidence that Obama must have won through voter fraud. The National Tea Party managed a zeitgeist twofer in an E-mail to supporters last week exhorting them to both sign a recount petition and a secession petition. An Idaho state senator, promoting an idea that had reportedly been making the rounds in Tea Party blogs, called for red state electors to boycott the Electoral College, denying it a quorum and presumably throwing the election to the GOP-controlled House of Representatives (nope—there's no such thing as an Electoral College quorum). More parochially, Maine's Republican Party chairman saw voter fraud after "dozens of black people … came in and voted on Election Day," because "nobody in town knows anyone who's black."

My favorite example comes from mid-October: Georgia state senators were treated to a four-hour, closed-door briefing organized by their (now outgoing) majority leader, on the U.N.'s nonbinding Agenda 21 sustainable growth program. The Tea Party activist running the briefing compared Obama to Mao and Stalin and explained that the president uses a Cold War era "mind-control" system called "the Delphi technique" to advance his agenda, which involves forcibly relocating those outside cities in the name of sustainable development. (Sustainable development is also the theme of Glenn Beck's new, dystopian novel titled, of course, Agenda 21.)

Even when the fringe accepts demographic reality, it sees conspiracies. "Most Americans don't realize that, decades ago, the Democrats instituted a long-term plan to gradually turn the United States into a Third World nation," Ann Coulter wrote this month about the rise of nonwhite America. "The country would become poorer and less free, but Democrats would have an unbeatable majority!"

Some on the right have greeted the results with angry finger pointing at the wrong elements in the country running amok. Focus on the Family blamed victories for marriage equality on "unchurched" voters while the Family Research Council warned these could spark "a revolt, a revolution," which could "explode and just break this nation apart." The Rev. Franklin Graham complained that "the majority of Christians didn't vote." (Actually, they did, making up the same proportion of the electorate as four years ago, according to NBC News, and a great share than eight years ago.) It's pointless for Republicans to try to appeal to Hispanics, lunatic Rep. Steve King of Iowa said this week because "Democrats will find a way to hand deliver citizenship papers [to them] along with a great big check"—a grotesque version of Mitt Romney's complaint that Obama had triumphed because of "gifts" (a sentiment which was itself fairly grotesque). Romney's chief strategist penned an op-ed in the Washington Post explaining that Romney's loss was a great victory because he won a majority of votes from those making at least $50,000 (you know, the important voters).

These ugly sentiments are the submerged iceberg underlying more innocuous comments like Paul Ryan's assertion that Obama won because of the "urban vote," or, again, Romney's "gifts" analysis. It's not us; it's them. And if they are now America, all that's left is to fight the future.

The movement right may continue to "stand athwart history, yelling stop," in the words of the late William F. Buckley.

But history always has the last word.

Repubs Have Failed.


Sometimes LA
Dec 2, 2012 - 08:17pm PT

TGT is the same way, his other posts are very much spot on. He's only a sh#t-brained tea bagger on this thread.

I've witnessed TGT being rather sh#t brained on other threads as well. Mimi seem particularly sh#t brained on this thread, though not too far off normal.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 11:13pm PT
The GOP have devolved into a Hard Right Wing Cult, led by the Right wing media
It is a Religion to them, facts just prove that they have to double down on the wrong, and repeat the talking points that counter the facts more often.

Dec 2, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
Invariably politics forces one to change one's long standing positions and to accept negotiation in order to achieve the possible.

Religion and politics go together like oil and water.

The ad at the top of my page asks,"Should Obama be impeached?"

It seems the objective is unchanged. Get that guy out of the White House. As the republicans stated before, and during the campaign, nothing else mattered.

One question presents itself. In what way is Obama different from Biden?

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:33am PT
John M - I'm ticked off about Jody for messing up that thread so nobody can post to it or bump it to the front page. It was selfish of him. ... Why did he delete his report about the climbers conference?
Jody deleted his whole history, his whole existence here on ST. You can't pick and choose. You either request to have it all deleted, or nothing.

Many have done it. As a matter of fact, someone you just complimented on their thread, "Makes me smile ... I'm happy for you." Deleted his whole existence twice. Last time it was a direct result of a despicable attack involving heinous insinuations in regards to his adopted seven year old daughter. Evidently, he eventually made a public apology here on ST (weeks later) but, he continues to attack others (Xtians being his favored target), as he continues to do with Jody (continues to hound him with demeaning statements and accusations knowing he can't respond).

And yet, HE is still here on ST, while many others are long gone for far less. But, It is pretty evident why HE is still here, it's because he spews his HATE towards Xtians. So I am not surprised, in the least.


But, I shouldn't just simply single out the Wyner, since there is such an over abundance of love on this site, particularly this thread. LOL

SO, KUDOS to Jody!!

I'm glad that thread went down with all of them (like I said, that was the only way it could have worked anyway/all or none). And that it is being missed. It makes an even stronger statement, imo! I could only wish that he had ten more threads like it, with tons of valuable climbing history in them. Perhaps then people would take notice. And furthermore, it is what this site, SuperTopo, F'n deserves. It is two faced/practices a double standard. If it were an X'tian attacking atheist the same way, with such virulent hate, they would be long gone!

So, you should redirect your being "ticked off" at whom is to blame, instead of defending him - "Riley just gets wound up once in a while."

Riley Wyner, "Now, now, don't be intolerant...!" ... So says the epitome of intolerance, himself!!!

"If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them." ~ JC (Luke 9:5)

Jody did just that ^^^ (in essence)!!!!!!

philo - "What's an X-tian?" Atheist coined the term Xtian (along with Xmas) so you should know!!

BUT, I'm reclaiming it, wearing it proud! Just like the urban youth reclaimed the "N" word!!!

EDIT: One last thing, it also doesn't surprise me much that two (2) men who put their lives on the line every day they went to work (were willing to risk their lives) defending the laws of our land, protect its people, and willing to go the aid of ANYONE in need, are both gone (Jody & Fattrad)! And Riley goes on to further discredit all of law enforcement secondary to a few case he claims to have treated (as a nurse) at his particular little corner of the world.

BTW, i have worked with many in my 20+ years in the medical field. And many of them were being treated for gunshot wounds to the upper extremities (my specialty/UE trauma) in the line of duty. I had their full history/charts, and non of them sounded anything like what Riley Wyner claims they are like! JUST SAYIN'!!!

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:36am PT
Whats an X-tian?

What's the N=word?

Dec 3, 2012 - 12:49am PT

"Xtian" is term to describe people who are radical followers of Jesus Christ in word, thought and deed (they actually obey the bible and are humble & repentant about their sin & failings before a perfect & holy God; their lives center around repentance & obedience to God). It describes those who have & are still being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.

Purportedly xtians actually obey the bible. Since the bible is complicated even compared to the IRS code, it is not clear what can be made of this part of the definition.


Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:57am PT
Ad-Banners seemed impotant! (sic)

I was ready to answer MH'er post wtih my retort:


A new & successfull!

What does your ST Banner ad post now?

Sweet-Jesus! Save me from this huge-ST thread

butt now we have Xtianlans???

Godless save us from xtianlans!

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:02am PT
Dood's, I was simply being politically correct!

Xmas, Xtian = PC!!

edit: DANG, ya just can't win around here!

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:07am PT
"If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them." ~ JC (Luke 9:5)



Dec 3, 2012 - 01:20am PT
"What's an X-tian?" Atheist coined the term Xtian (along with Xmas) so you should know!!

I'm sorry, when you guys talk about religion, I often have very little respect for you born-again noobs. You pull stuff out of your butt like some kinda of gym climbers. I'll show respect for your faith if you show respect for facts and history every once in a while, some of us have been at this longer than you.

In my Catholic high school, the abbreviation Xtian was used all the time by teachers, including priests and brothers, particularly in church history. These men were not athiests. Duh.

Here, I'll wiki it for you:


The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) and the OED Supplement have cited usages of "X-" or "Xp-" for "Christ-" as early as 1485. The terms "Xtian" and less commonly "Xpian" have also been used for "Christian". The OED further cites usage of "Xtianity" for "Christianity" from 1634.[2] According to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, most of the evidence for these words comes from "educated Englishmen who knew their Greek".[11]

Consider this a one-time favor. Normally I stay stay out of this garbage, but it gets kinda pathetic when you see this crap dancing around and it's all wrong, plain dumb.

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:37am PT
QITNL - I often have very little respect for you born again noobs...!
I would be VERY concerned if you did!

"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first."

"All men will hate you because of me..."


"Blessed are they that are persecuted for righteousness sake."

edit: and I don't need to defend my stance on atheist push to remove the name of CHRIST from everything, let alone Christmas!


Give me an F'n break! How often do you here someone say that (unless they are an atheist)?

But atheist would just love that = FAKT!!!

BTW, I don't know where YOU went to school, BUT i went to Sacred Heart Catholic School up until 6th grade here in San Diego, and I NEVER heard OR saw the term Xtian/Xmas used!

And I continued going to a Catholic church on Sundays along with catechism studies (MANY different RC churches/many different cities). NEVER herad it referred to as Xmas or Xtian, etc! Not saying that it wasn't different with you, though!

Trad climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:44am PT
I'm a casual, cultural catholic. We finally got motivated to start our kids at Sunday school. We go (very occasionally) to a gorgeous mission built in the 1700s for mass. However, its Sunday school is a bit conservative for our taste so we, on the advice of some friends, opted to take our kids to the other catholic church in our town for first communion learning.

I didn't really know where it was and ended up at the wrong church! So I rolled in to the Greek orthodox catholic church. (this was this morning). It was extremely odd- everything looked sort of the same but still seemed different. Christ was everywhere but the women were wearing head scarves. Everyone was like 80 years old. The sacraments seemed out of order, especially because I was mixing up communion and confirmation.

No point to my post but I've never seen the term xtian.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:53am PT
Don't mess with me Splitter...
I am the very agent of Satan himself - sent here to wipe the earth of the Christian Gods earthly representitives!
I have no problem with you -and will give you safe passage because you are a true climber - unless you get under my feet..
Beware. It is a human number!!!...and so it is written!

Dec 3, 2012 - 01:55am PT
Splitter - hint: In what language was the New Testament written?

^^^You've got Catholic damage and you've never seen this before?

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:08am PT
Yes I have seen it.

And I am also familiar with St Andrews cross, which was an X! (because that was the type of cross he was executed/martyred on)!

My point was, the removal of CHRIST from Christmas, Christian and everything related.

edit: the OT was written in Hebrew, the NT in Aramaic & Greek!! Jesus and the 12 Apostles spoke and wrote in Aramaic!

He was known as the Christ/the Christ child! NOT the X/the X child!!
Wade Icey

Trad climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:09am PT
Credit: Wade Icey

Dec 3, 2012 - 02:23am PT
Splitter - I am responding to this specific assertion, as I clearly quoted:

"What's an X-tian?" Atheist coined the term Xtian (along with Xmas) so you should know!!

That is entirely, 100% factually wrong. I'm correcting you as a favor, out of respect for your religion, Jesus Christ.

My point was, the removal of CHRIST from Christmas, Christian and everything related.

That is an entirely different assertion, you've kinda bungled it from the start, and I'm not going to bother responding until you man up and admit you were wrong. Noob.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:32am PT
Splitter you have failed god as a prophet of his word - blasphemy!!
If it is one thing he can not stand it is incompetence!
Although it does make my job much easier....
I offer you the hand of Lucifer...you would be wise to accept this gesture as it is a hope for your salvation when god renounces you for your sins!
I will be mentioning this at our annual lunch next month..
And so it is written!
And so it will be told!!!!!
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