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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 28, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
Ron, please refresh my memory. Under which President did the US do away with habeas corpus?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Nov 28, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
Lincoln.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 28, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
Ron - I honestly don't know what you are on about.

But habeas corpus can be suspended in certain times of war - and yes it is in the constitution

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
Good link, Malemute. I note two things of interest in addition to what's in the article:

1. The article, which includes a critique of alleged conservative closed-mindedness, appears in a conservative publication. This strikes me as at least some evidence of conservative open-mindedness; and

2. His prescription of Keynesian stimulation of aggregate demand contradicts his criticism of Bush II's budget-busting policies.

Still, I appreciate the link and the views of the author. While I think conservatives can (and will continue to) debate the extent of the electoral defeat, it's hard to deny the demographic trend. We conservatives alienated the biggest growth area in voters.

John
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
Indeed this has been going on for a while Kman- all presidents have sought to expand executive powers for some time now.

But this latest language is specific in citizenry intents. It goes beyond the previous languages. And its TIME to put a stop to this. What we accept today will be EXPANDED upon tomorrow. That has been proven. This bill has nothing to do with the "war on terrorism".

It has to do with the impending collapse of our economic system and the frustrations felt across America with our congress and presidents.
It has to do with the countless groups with surging memberships such as "Oath Keepers" and thousands of others. It has to do with fifty states having petitions to withdraw from the union.


If the govt were stocking up hollow points to use against the some 400,000 known -illegal for the most- gang members that represent the three cartels working over mexico. But that ISNT happening.. And the NDAA has NO language of that problem in particular. Of course,, MANY have weapons supplied by the USA so maybe this is kept on the low low for reasons.



edit: Riley,, yes,, there has always been Marshall Law.. Which brings up the question of why a more strengthened and specifically languaged bill like the NDAA 2013???

monolith

climber
albany,ca
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
Sorry Ron, we can't go by you or someone else's fantasy definition of 'belligerent'.

If you are an American hiding in Yeman advocating and supporting violence against Americans, you are a 'belligerent'.

Why would you want it any other way?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
Not too much to say about the republicon party at this time becuase I rather enjoy the train wreck


They have no idea what to do now since nobody seems to really like them or their ways...


And who will be the one to accept this defeat and trudge on with scienctific method in mind... Don't do the same thing and you may be able to get a different outcome.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:22pm PT
Mono,, we ALREADY have laws on the books to deal with that.. This new one is specific, and should make you go HUH? Truly....

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
ron you have built your fears on top of a right wing straw man.
where do you read this stuff?
who is giving you these ideas?
they are an idiot
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:25pm PT
1. The article, which includes a critique of alleged conservative closed-mindedness, appears in a conservative publication. This strikes me as at least some evidence of conservative open-mindedness; and


lol
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:30pm PT
No, Ron, we don't have laws against that.

Don't you remember all the complaining about due process and constitutionality when we went after that American advocating terror in Yeman?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
Riley, i read it for myself.. Then my self thinks about it. But you know who really drove the points home for me??




One was a buddy in Iran.. He wanted to know if my gubbment had turned crazy like his . Said they have the same law basically. Now granted, its Iran, but what about ten or twenty years from now. What will that law look like then? I couldnt answer him.


Have you ever looked at the Oath Keepers sites or any of the others? If you wonder why their is talk in washington of civil un-rest its all out there on the intarwebby...



edit: Mono,, yes we do--NDAA 2012...
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
Nope, 2012 also use the term 'belligerent'.

http://belligerentact.org/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
Yes,, and as ive mentioned Obama threatens a veto of the 2013 because it doesnt go FAR enough. Now does the light shine? Both are Obamas bills. Farther reaching in scope than the patriot act. And i promise the internet will be gone after in new ways coming up .. wait for it....
jghedge

climber
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
"Yes,, and as ive mentioned Obama threatens a veto of the 2013 because it doesnt go FAR enough."

Source? Or just more ignorant, delusional gibberish?
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:48pm PT
WrongRon, Obama and the dems/repubs are fine with the current NDAA bill.

This has been mentioned to you several times, but you want to remain ignorant.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:52pm PT
the following is 100% fact.


USFWS and HS set up a co-op sting of a very well known taxidermist in the USA. This was over a technicality of importing two dry salted turkey skins in from Mexico.

A balckhawk helo with a full team of battle geared HS guys landed in the parking lot of his business to arrest him over this. Which they did. This during an avian flu warning period..

Homeland Security and USFWS both converged on "the scene" . Over two turkey skins, legally taken in Mexico..

I FUGGIN SHYT U NOT..





monolith

climber
albany,ca
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:54pm PT
Ron wants to change the subject, or maybe he thinks the turkey stuffer could be considered a 'belligerent' and sent to gitmo.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
Oath Keepers = Tea Bagger/Glen Beck idiots.
A bunch of paranoid, poorly educated and confused old men with to much time on their hands.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 28, 2012 - 03:59pm PT
no,, i was just giving you an example of things being done under the Patriot act and the following NDAA laws.

They are flying the carson front range too- an unmarked blackhawk circled Rick Sumner and I climbing just a month or so back- I could see the guys in the door ways with the mounted weaponry and slung arms. They did two circles directly over us t about 200 feet of elev. No doubt looking for more cartel drug activities. I waved, but they didnt wave back...

why dont you answer some of my questions once in a wee while?




Riley,, "Oath Keepers" are mainly VETS...I know MANY of em...And they are stellar folk imo...
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