jghedge
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Nov 19, 2012 - 10:32am PT
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locker
Social climber
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Nov 19, 2012 - 10:33am PT
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^^^
AMEN!!!...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 19, 2012 - 11:08am PT
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It's naive to think that 50.6% of the popular vote is really a mandate for anything.
If Romney had won with republican pollster numbers - which were all lower than Obama won by - then Romney would screeching "MANDATE" at the top of his lungs right now.
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jghedge
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Nov 19, 2012 - 11:18am PT
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"It's naive to think that 50.6% of the popular vote is really a mandate for anything."
It's naive to think that popular vote percentages count for anything, in a country where presidents are elected by electoral votes, not popular vote.
And in the electoral vote, Obama CRUSHED Romney, 332 to 206.
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Dr. F.
Ice climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2012 - 04:20pm PT
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 19, 2012 - 06:36pm PT
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Richard Nixon's 520 electoral votes to George McGovern's 17 electoral votes and John Hospers's 1 in 1972
Reagan over Mondale in 1984 (525 to 13) was a also a pretty sound ass-kicking, as was Franklin Roosevelt's 523 to 8 victory over Alf Landon in 1936.
But the best electoral vote ass-kicking of all time (percentage wise) was James Mornoe's 231 to 1 annihilation of John Quincy Adams in 1820.
Curt
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gear_phag
Gym climber
Wasatch
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:03pm PT
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wait, Obama won?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:09pm PT
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yeah… other than the south "threatening" to succeed from the Union….
You can hardly tell the difference one presidential stomping to the next….
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:38pm PT
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It's naive to think that 50.6% of the popular vote is really a mandate for anything.
With unemployment at 7.9%, a public seemingly unhappy with anything that the government has done and congressional approval ratings in the single digits and Democrats controlling 2 of the 3 seats of dynamic power in Washington, the voting public reaffirmed the agenda of a moderate Democratic party to compromise and reach solutions for our very real problems against a recalcitrant Republican minority that spent 4 full years doing nothing but voting "no" on every little procedural vote they could. Were it not for the massive amount of gerrymandering that just took place, Republicans likely would have lost the House entirely.
It's a mandate for getting sh#t done, not being unyielding in the face of all that is sane. It's a mandate for throwing out the tea party "a broken government is better than an operating government" idiocy.
Americans also think that Obama and the Democrats are more likely to be bipartisan according to a new Gallup poll:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/158876/americans-think-obama-seek-bipartisan-solutions.aspx
PRINCETON, NJ -- Nearly two-thirds of Americans, 65%, believe President Barack Obama will make a sincere effort to work with the Republicans in Congress to find mutually acceptable solutions to the nation's problems. A majority, 57%, also expect the Democrats in Congress to try to work with the opposing party's leaders, but fewer than half, 48%, say the same of the Republicans in Congress.
Seems to me like Americans kept the party in that they thought would actually get the job done. Sounds like a mandate to me.
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jghedge
climber
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
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"Seems to me like Americans kept the party in that they thought would actually get the job done. Sounds like a mandate to me."
+1
Excellent post
Where oh where are Duhnold, Corniss, Crack et al?
Has the complete and utter failure of everything they pretended to believe in actually penetrated into their impenetrable denial?
Can the wails of bitterness and despair from Fattard's mother's basement be heard from blocks away?
Hahahahahaha
Repubs Have Failed.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:39am PT
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I believe the leaf has turned, and the Republicans are now crossing the aisle to work hand-in-hand with the Dems.
Just like they promised to do in their campaigns.
Oh wait.... No?
Hold the presses... This just in:
His willingness to work closely with the president has cast a shadow over Mr. Christie’s prospects as a national candidate, prompting a number of Republicans to wonder aloud whether he is a reliable party leader.
Apparently, showing that you are willing to work with the Dems will get you kicked out of the GOP.
And we all thought they were such nice guys...
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x15x15
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Nov 20, 2012 - 11:15am PT
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more scary monsters. the education system is corrupt and broken. raising taxes to keep the current system floating is laughable. when will it stop. if you really care about the kids, we will stop wasting dollars on our fluffy education and force real change.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 20, 2012 - 11:18am PT
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If you want to be taken seriously you'll expound upon that.
What's fluffy education?
What real change would you like to see enacted?
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jghedge
climber
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Nov 20, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
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Tried to debate the wingnuts over at Redstate about any generation becoming more conservative and less liberal over a multi-generational span
http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/20/ronald-reagan-and-what-i-got-wrong/#disqus_thread
They banned me in about 10 minutes, hahahahaha
They also think that Margaret Thatcher was a liberal, and that liberalism in Europe is the same thing as conservatism in America
Nothing gets through - as soon as they can't debate without losing, they ban you.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 20, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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Tried to debate the wingnuts over at Redstate about any generation becoming more conservative and less liberal over a multi-generational span
Not sure why, but I just read your dialog.
Funny how some dude just stepped in and shut you off. Asshat.
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jghedge
climber
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Nov 20, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
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"Funny how some dude just stepped in and shut you off. Asshat."
hahahaha
They're trying to say that conservatism in Europe is the "exact opposite" of conservatism in America
Except that would also mean that liberalism in Europe is the "exact opposite" of liberalism in America
Which would mean that European liberalism = American conservatism, and that Margaret Thatcher was, therefore, a liberal
I pointed out the simple logical inconsistency of this, and was summarily banned by a mod who called me an "asshat".
Repub Fantasy World...soooo much easier than growing up.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
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They banned me as well...
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
SLO, Ca
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:10pm PT
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Generally in Europe the term liberalism does in fact mean something closer to what we might consider moderate conservatism.
You were appropriately banned.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
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Can't you guys let them mourn in peace....
But seriously, Republicans are not interested in facts, logic, or anything to do with truthful conversation. This has been shown over and over again.
My step-father, a staunch Fox News advocate, tried to tell me I was close minded when I tried to show him an article on a news site. Oh, the irony.
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jghedge
climber
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:44pm PT
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"Generally in Europe the term liberalism does in fact mean something closer to what we might consider moderate conservatism."
Proof? Links, attribution, sourcing?
In Europe it means the same thing it does here - their center is just more to the left than ours is, that doesn't change the definitions.
"You were appropriately banned."
Yup - wouldn't want to imperil their business model with actual debate, those wingnut eyeballs are too valuable
Care to take me up on my central premise - namely, what democracy, since democratizing, has become more conservative and less liberal over a multi-generational span?
And if this has never happened in the 200+ year history of democracies, then what is the point of conservatism? Why continue to believe in something that's been given 200 years to happen, in scores of countries, and never has?
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