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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:57am PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:58am PT
Ooo ....

It's coming..
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 16, 2012 - 10:00am PT
Ooooo, this is good.....

Karl Rove Had No Time For Legalities In Attempt To Win Election

As a result, the shield which Crossroads GPS was to provide their donors may not apply at all. Failure by Karl Rove to cross his Ts and dot his Is might open him, and all of his donors, up to a legal nightmare scenario. He may have to return all of the money, and even then all the donors would become public knowledge, and he may be facing jail time for illegal solicitation of millions of dollars of donor money. People have gone to jail for far less severe a crime.

Indeed, Rove might be guilty of fraud. Hahahahahaha ....


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/15/karl-rove-may-be-guilty-of-fraud/
John M

climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 10:09am PT
He is too powerful. He won't spend a minute of time in jail. But they might make him sweat a little considering they are probably pissed him him. I hope they sweat him good.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Nov 16, 2012 - 10:47am PT
Poor li'l turdblossom... :-(
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2012 - 10:51am PT
He is too powerful. He won't spend a minute of time in jail
Exactly, be a Republican Mobster, never worry

Be a Black President, and not reveal classified info on an on going investigation where 4 were killed in a sovereign country, and the people with pitch folks demand him to be impeached for war crimes and suspect of a huge coverup.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2012 - 11:00am PT
Paul Ryan Explains Defeat In Hometown Of Janesville, Wisconsin

The Huffington Post | By Melissa Jeltsen Posted: 11/14/2012 4:00 pm EST Updated: 11/14/2012 4:07 pm EST

Wisconsin, Politics News . Former GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan opened up about losing his hometown of Janesville, Wisconsin in last week's election, attributing the crushing defeat to his alignment with the national Republican party.

Ryan lost twice in Janesville on Nov. 6. Although he was successfully reelected to the House of Representatives, he was defeated in his hometown by 10 points in his congressional race -- marking the first time Ryan lost the city in a reelection campaign. Janesville also went for the Obama/Biden ticket over Romney/Ryan by 25 points.

"Well, as you know, Janesville is a very Democratic town, but I'm a Republican," Ryan said in an interview with Janesville radio station WCLO. "But I've always done very well here, because more people saw me not as a Republican but just as a Janesville guy."

"When you join a national ticket for a party, you become more seen as a Republican guy than necessarily a Janesville guy," he continued. "So I think my image, or the thought people had in their minds of me once I joined the Republican ticket, was more 'Paul Ryan, Republican,' than 'Paul Ryan, Janesville guy.'"

At 11.5 points, Ryan's congressional victory margin in the state was the smallest of his eight House campaigns.

During the interview, Ryan also admitted that President Barack Obama's reelection team ran a better campaign than the Romney/Ryan folks, chalking the Democrats' win up to their ability to mobilize the "urban" vote.

"What the president and his campaign excelled at doing is mobilizing turnout in their critical base areas, and they expanded the turnout above the norms," he said. "They had record turnout in urban areas and all of our polling did not project that kind of turnout, and that's why we thought we had a very good chance at winning this race going into election day."


Ryan has commented on Obama's strength with urban voters in a number of post-election interviews. Ryan did not mention that Obama also won key rural states like Iowa and New Hampshire.

He said he was proud of the race he and Romney ran, and declined to speculate on any presidential aspirations for 2016.

"We are all kind of tired of presidential politics," Ryan said.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 16, 2012 - 11:03am PT
Rove might get thrown under the bus and do time to take the fall for Romney losing if only the republicaans could take their eye off of Obama for a few seconds..
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Nov 16, 2012 - 11:22am PT
Speaking of CEO compensation:

http://247wallst.com/2012/11/16/americas-worst-ceo-mike-jeffries-of-abercrombie-fitch/
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 16, 2012 - 11:44am PT
It's amazing how close Mitt can come to the truth, and still manage to not stumble across it. If Mitt had only stated the reciprocal mirror image of what he actually said--he would have nailed the reason for the Republican loss precisely.

Instead of saying that Obama won the election because of supposed "gifts" he gave to young people, hispanics, blacks, etc., Mitt should have simply said that the Republican party currently offers young people, hispanics, blacks and women absolutely no reason to vote Republican.

Curt

Agree, Curt. Frankly, I'm not sure Romney ever offered anyone a reason to vote for him. He only offered reasons not to vote for Obama.

Romney's whining about how "you can't beat free stuff" shows me that he still doesn't get it. The Ryan article Dr. F. posted shows that Ryan, at least, understands what we Republicans have done to our public persona.

Meanwhile, too many of my fellow Republicans are doing what Ronald Reagan said he would not do -- keep his feet in place if he found them in wet cement. The Norquist pledge needs to go -- now. We need to pay for what we've spent, and taxes are a legitimate part of the mix.

I haven't left the party, as you have, but I dearly want my Republican party back -- The one that led the way in civil rights for minorities, the one that encouraged immigrants, the one that stands for economic freedom and defense of vigorous competition and, most importantly, the one that stood for something, not merely against something.

Maybe I just have romantic memories of when California was still a western state -- where the Democrats had room for a Sam Yorty, and the Republicans room for a Thomas Kuchel or a Bob Finch. As the Fet often laments, what happened to the center?

John

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 16, 2012 - 11:47am PT
Well, that may be THE question of the 21st century Republican party. Will it split apart, with the fanatic wing going off on its own, eventually into irrelevancy, and the classic Republicans such as JE describes retaking their party? Or will it continue to be held hostage by a minority of rhetorical extremists?

As for Rove - well, what fun it would be to cross examine him in public about his actions. Which is why the Republicans, although overdue for some serious bloodletting, will never let it happen.
jstan

climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 11:51am PT
Maybe I just have romantic memories of when California was still a western state -- where the Democrats had room for a Sam Yorty, and the Republicans room for a Thomas Kuchel or a Bob Finch. As the Fet often laments, what happened to the center?

Obama moved his feet and followed the center. When it runs into trouble the far right goes further right. Their ideology has become a "belief."

A fatal conjunction that must be broken. Whatever following will be given up, has to be given up, for the republicans to survive.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Nov 16, 2012 - 11:56am PT
Good post, John.


Romney's whining about how "you can't beat free stuff" shows me that he still doesn't get it.

What gets me is that both sides are calling Social Security and Medicare "entitlements". I been paying into those programs for 40 years now. That's an "entitlement?"
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Nov 16, 2012 - 11:57am PT
I really hope the Repubs move back to the center. When I was young growing up in a Republican household the repubs were reasonable. It seems during the Clinton years the Dems became more centrist. And now many Dems are moderate and as a whole I'd say the Dems are a little left of center. In the meantime Repubs have gone way too far to the right and in the worst ways IMO. e.g. they put much more effort into cutting taxes instead of cutting spending (Thanks W). That's not conservative economic tactics, that's just dumb.

Without a viable Repub party we'll get nationally what we have in Cali. A one party Dem system without anyone to keep them in check. I really hope the Rep party nationally gets it and moves back to the center, but I doubt they will.
10b4me

Boulder climber
member since 2002
Nov 16, 2012 - 12:02pm PT
Let the confederacy secede. Good riddance. We can't afford to pay for those slackers anymore.


here is my scenario. the south secedes. red voters from the midwest, and interior west go with them. Residents from overcrowded blue states will fill the vacuum in the red states, eventually turning them blue.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
Did you guys hear what Bobby Jindal said yesterday about the GOP losses?

Swimming against the GOP tide, in a big way. Let me try to dig it up.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Nov 16, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
Kent Dorfman
Kent Dorfman
Credit: Dave Kos

The negros took our votes!
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 16, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
Be a Black President, and not reveal classified info on an on going investigation where 4 were killed in a sovereign country, and the people with pitch folks demand him to be impeached for war crimes and suspect of a huge coverup.

So funny. When Bush was president they did all kinds of military coverups and lying, secret CIA prisons and stuff and congress never raised an eyebrow. Now all of a sudden, everyone demands openness and transparency regarding behind the scenes terrorist stuff

Fact is, the GOP is jumping on every tiny potential possibility to try to screw with Obama, like they raked Clinton over the coals, while the Bush guys should have been jailed and impeached over a whole range of MUCH more serous issues

Peace

Karl
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Nov 16, 2012 - 12:12pm PT
What gets me is that both sides are calling Social Security and Medicare "entitlements". I been paying into those programs for 40 years now. That's an "entitlement?"

Yes. You are entitled to what you payed for. It's entirely reasonable.

Somehow "entitlement" became framed as a bad thing - along the lines of the "Obama supporters just want free stuff" meme.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
Nov. 15, 2012
It's been just over a week since his defeat at the hands of President Obama and already a chasm between Mitt Romney and some prominent members of the Republican Party seems to have opened up.

The failed GOP presidential hopeful's candid assessment of why he lost the race, which he offered on conference calls with donors yesterday, instantly drew a sharp rebuke from Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal who called Romney's take "absolutely wrong."

Romney told top donors he came up short on Nov. 6 because "what the president's campaign did was focus on certain members of his base coalition, give them extraordinary financial gifts from the government, and then work very aggressively to turn them out to vote, and that strategy worked."

But speaking at a Republican Governors Association meeting in Las Vegas, Gov. Jindal dismissed Romney's explanation during a press conference yesterday.

"I don't think that represents where we are as a party and where we're going as a party," Jindal, a potential 2016 GOP presidential contender, said. "If we're going to continue to be a competitive party and win elections on the national stage and continue to fight for our conservative principles, we need two messages to get out loudly and clearly: One, we are fighting for 100 percent of the votes, and secondly, our policies benefit every American who wants to pursue the American dream."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/analysis-top-republicans-reject-romneys-reasoning-election-loss/story?id=17726342
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