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Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
May 12, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
Did Ron A ever serve in the military?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 12, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
WASHINGTON -- Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates defended the Obama administration's response to the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attack in Benghazi on Sunday, saying he would not have done anything different militarily if he had still been at the Pentagon.

"Frankly had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were," said Gates on CBS's "Face the Nation," referring to the role of then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin Dempsey.

"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East -- despite all the turmoil that's going on, with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so getting somebody there in a timely way -- would have been very difficult, if not impossible."



um, this would be the Bob Gates who was Bush's Defense Secretary
so it is probably pretty dumb to try to attack him, sorry just gotta live with what he said
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 12, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
So TGT (not that I expect an answer, because you never respond when challenged, because you're always unable to back yourself up), what exactly would a C130 gunship have done in this incident to make things better, if it's range is what you say it is?


Just indiscriminately blow sh#t up?

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 12, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East -- despite all the turmoil that's going on, with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so getting somebody there in a timely way -- would have been very difficult, if not impossible."

former REPUBLICAN Defense Secretary Rober Gates


get it yet?

duh
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 12, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
All it would have taken is a "Show of force".

most air to ground action in Afghanistan and Iraq were just this.

No shots fired but the Jihadis scatter in panic

This one was accidental and not even supersonic and it blew out all of the windows in the building.



a supersonic one could collapse lightly built structures and break eardrums.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 12, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
"This wasnt about "budgets" when being under attack as they watched it live time in the situation room."

LIAR

links?

prove your above statement

or apologize to all of us for being so relentlessly stupid that you would intentionally LIE
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 12, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
Here Norton: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/10/24/breaking-news-white-house-watched-benghazi-attacked-and-didnt-respond/
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 12, 2013 - 05:23pm PT

LOL!!!...

"I could just as easily speculate that the terrorists would just have laughed, dropped their drawers and mooned the pilots."...




TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 12, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
I could just as easily speculate that the terrorists would just have laughed, dropped their drawers and mooned the pilots."

while bleeding out of their ears and noses from broken ear drums.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 12, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
If a mere show of force was made, and the outcome was the same, wingnuts would have said Obama's a puss for not opening the guns up on 'em, even if it only would have killed more people, innocents included, and destroyed more stuff.

Ignorance combined with paranoid fantasy knows no limits.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 12, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 12, 2013 - 05:42pm PT


"If a mere show of force was made, and the outcome was the same, wingnuts would have said Obama's a puss for not opening the guns up on 'em, even if it only would have killed more people, innocents included, and destroyed more stuff."...


+1
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 12, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
So it wasn't worth burning a few thousand gallons of kerosene to attempt to save four lives?

The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 12, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
When compared 9/11, Benghazi is insignificant, yet wingnuts are beside themselves with righteous indignation about the government's lack of ability to stop it, while with 9/11 their response was to savage the patriotism of anyone who criticized the administration while we were "at war". Not to mention the fact that there were scores of Benghazi level events which went unexamined during the bush regime.

The hypocrisy is staggering.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 12, 2013 - 06:04pm PT

^^^

again...

+1





EDITED:

Years back I volunteered at the Lighthouse for the Blind in Manhattan...

One thing all of the BLIND people I worked with said...

They couldn't SEE...



Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
May 12, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
Why don't the republitards get just as mad at this as anything else they get upset about…. Like lightbulbs?:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425

Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever
The Illuminati were amateurs. The second huge financial scandal of the year reveals the real international conspiracy: There's no price the big banks can't fix

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Illustration by Victor Juhasz
By MATT TAIBBI
April 25, 2013 1:00 PM ET
Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology. You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game. We found this out in recent months, when a series of related corruption stories spilled out of the financial sector, suggesting the world's largest banks may be fixing the prices of, well, just about everything.

You may have heard of the Libor scandal, in which at least three – and perhaps as many as 16 – of the name-brand too-big-to-fail banks have been manipulating global interest rates, in the process messing around with the prices of upward of $500 trillion (that's trillion, with a "t") worth of financial instruments. When that sprawling con burst into public view last year, it was easily the biggest financial scandal in history – MIT professor Andrew Lo even said it "dwarfs by orders of magnitude any financial scam in the history of markets."

That was bad enough, but now Libor may have a twin brother. Word has leaked out that the London-based firm ICAP, the world's largest broker of interest-rate swaps, is being investigated by American authorities for behavior that sounds eerily reminiscent of the Libor mess. Regulators are looking into whether or not a small group of brokers at ICAP may have worked with up to 15 of the world's largest banks to manipulate ISDAfix, a benchmark number used around the world to calculate the prices of interest-rate swaps.

Interest-rate swaps are a tool used by big cities, major corporations and sovereign governments to manage their debt, and the scale of their use is almost unimaginably massive. It's about a $379 trillion market, meaning that any manipulation would affect a pile of assets about 100 times the size of the United States federal budget.

It should surprise no one that among the players implicated in this scheme to fix the prices of interest-rate swaps are the same megabanks – including Barclays, UBS, Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and the Royal Bank of Scotland – that serve on the Libor panel that sets global interest rates. In fact, in recent years many of these banks have already paid multimillion-dollar settlements for anti-competitive manipulation of one form or another (in addition to Libor, some were caught up in an anti-competitive scheme, detailed in Rolling Stone last year, to rig municipal-debt service auctions). Though the jumble of financial acronyms sounds like gibberish to the layperson, the fact that there may now be price-fixing scandals involving both Libor and ISDAfix suggests a single, giant mushrooming conspiracy of collusion and price-fixing hovering under the ostensibly competitive veneer of Wall Street culture.

The Scam Wall Street Learned From the Mafia

Why? Because Libor already affects the prices of interest-rate swaps, making this a manipulation-on-manipulation situation. If the allegations prove to be right, that will mean that swap customers have been paying for two different layers of price-fixing corruption. If you can imagine paying 20 bucks for a crappy PB&J because some evil cabal of agribusiness companies colluded to fix the prices of both peanuts and peanut butter, you come close to grasping the lunacy of financial markets where both interest rates and interest-rate swaps are being manipulated at the same time, often by the same banks.

"It's a double conspiracy," says an amazed Michael Greenberger, a former director of the trading and markets division at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and now a professor at the University of Maryland. "It's the height of criminality."

The bad news didn't stop with swaps and interest rates. In March, it also came out that two regulators – the CFTC here in the U.S. and the Madrid-based International Organization of Securities Commissions – were spurred by the Libor revelations to investigate the possibility of collusive manipulation of gold and silver prices. "Given the clubby manipulation efforts we saw in Libor benchmarks, I assume other benchmarks – many other benchmarks – are legit areas of inquiry," CFTC Commissioner Bart Chilton said.

But the biggest shock came out of a federal courtroom at the end of March – though if you follow these matters closely, it may not have been so shocking at all – when a landmark class-action civil lawsuit against the banks for Libor-related offenses was dismissed. In that case, a federal judge accepted the banker-defendants' incredible argument: If cities and towns and other investors lost money because of Libor manipulation, that was their own fault for ever thinking the banks were competing in the first place.

"A farce," was one antitrust lawyer's response to the eyebrow-raising dismissal.

"Incredible," says Sylvia Sokol, an attorney for Constantine Cannon, a firm that specializes in antitrust cases.

All of these stories collectively pointed to the same thing: These banks, which already possess enormous power just by virtue of their financial holdings – in the United States, the top six banks, many of them the same names you see on the Libor and ISDAfix panels, own assets equivalent to 60 percent of the nation's GDP – are beginning to realize the awesome possibilities for increased profit and political might that would come with colluding instead of competing. Moreover, it's increasingly clear that both the criminal justice system and the civil courts may be impotent to stop them, even when they do get caught working together to game the system.

If true, that would leave us living in an era of undisguised, real-world conspiracy, in which the prices of currencies, commodities like gold and silver, even interest rates and the value of money itself, can be and may already have been dictated from above. And those who are doing it can get away with it. Forget the Illuminati – this is the real thing, and it's no secret. You can stare right at it, anytime you want.



 Then again, in posting the first page of the report I see where my fatal flaw lay….. Too much reading for any republitard to understand all at once…. -
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 12, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
No sh#t, huh?

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 12, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Factually untrue Warb, I was just as against the whole Iraq thing and many of bushs decisions in his second term.. I did not vote for him twice. But that is the same ol spin always layed out. What is amazing to me is that from fast and furious to Benghazi, to Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan

et all, there is nothing but a continuance of the crap bush was slinging ,,but now that its obama in office we should somehow think it to smell like a rose. They lied to you and me about Benghazi and NOT for the obvious of "leaking intel" excuse given AFTER the fact.

Want responsible comments from you leaders , then how about "We are looking into this mater very seriously and due to the investigation we can not divulge any further at this time. We shall keep you informed as possible.


But what did we get? Ohhhhwwww We CONDEMN this horrid video - how dare any one insult ISLAM!????

Now tell me why they chose THAT excuse and it was JUST AN EXCUSE as i said on day 1..

Kinda like Clinton all personal, close up shots on TV for the Americans as he said " i did NOT HAVE "setchel" relations with that woman.


Nixon was impeached for much less.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 12, 2013 - 06:10pm PT


"And how did repubs respond? to all those attacks?

BY CUTTING FUNDING FOR EMBASSY SECURITY!!!!"
...




Stupid explanation in 3,2,1...
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
May 12, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
yet again, the republitard trolls have taken the discussion to new levels of pointlessness….

Hey, lets talk about a few people who died at a US embassy in some part of the world where few citizens will ever go to willingly not to mention a place where a majority of americans would just as well level the entire plot of land with a nuke all the same….



The longer you talk about Benschnazzy, the longer real issues don't get solved. (not that I believe that anything discussed on supertopo can possibly change anything, ever...


Never follow the republitard
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