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Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/50-reasons-you-despised-george-w-bushs-presidency-reminder-day-his-presidential


50 Reasons You Despised George W. Bush's Presidency: A Reminder on the Day of His Presidential Library Dedication
He's one of the worst presidents ever.

April 24, 2013 | On Thursday, President Obama and all four living ex-presidents will attend the dedication of the $500 million George W. Bush Presidential Library at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas. Many progressives will remember Bush as a contender for the "worst president ever," saying he more aptly deserves a multi-million-dollar prison cell for a litany of war crimes.

Amazingly, the Bush library seeks to ask visitors "What would you have done?" if you were in this presidentís shoes. The ex-presidentís defenders are betting that the public will reconsider their judgments after a hefty dose of historical amnesia. Bush has been absent from political debates in recent years, instead making millions in private speeches. Today, his popularity is even with Obama's; both have 47 percent approval rating.

Letís look at 50 reasons, some large and some small, why W. inspired so much anger.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
Tell us how not spending will help our economy.

Deficit reduction and printing less money.

How will austerity improve the future of those unemployed?

Who the hell gets pensions like that? It's insane! Why can't they get 401K programs like everyone else?

will the jobs come from the rich that have an extra million to waste?

They will come from liberating companies from excessive taxes. They will hire again.


Does JC endorse the Keystome Pipeline??, just like the lobbyist Grover Norquist, and does JC endorse the millions that he is being paid by the Koch Brothers to do their dirty work to propagandize the pipeline, and promote the corporate takeover of 1000s of miles of private/state land.
Even though it will not reduce our gas prices, or go directly to Americans, it is destined to be exported.

This pipeline is a national security issue. We build it, employ Americans, give the finger to the Saudis. If we don't build it the oil goes to China. Plain. Simple.

I think JC would want to let the land owners have a say.


I think the land owners are cool with it.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:45pm PT


Keystone will send the oil to the gulf refineries for domestic use.

If Keystone isn't built the Canadians are going to build a pipeline to BC to sell the oil to China.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:48pm PT

The only possible benefit for the US would be 5000-6000 2-year jobs, building the pipeline.


You're wrong, or you beleive that Obama would sell us short for oil exports. And foreign profits.

But still, wouldn't the short-term jobs be awesome?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
Think world market, TGT. Makes very little difference on overall oil prices if the oil is refined in Texas or China.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
Just that Unhinged doesn't know the difference between West and South.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
Keystone will send the oil to the gulf refineries for domestic use.

If Keystone isn't built the Canadians are going to build a pipeline to BC to sell the oil to China.


Tell that to liberal speculators like jghedge.

They f*#king speculate about eveything like spending money to cure the economy, global warming, but they refuse to look at f*#king history and what has worked in the f*#king past!!!!

You can't cure insanity, it needs to be caged.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
Think world market, TGT. Makes very little difference on overall oil prices if the oil is refined in Texas or China.


Shipping costs alone would make refining in China un-economical from South Texas. Would be way more profitable in Texas.

And then you also have the more employment thing too...
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
Nope, Bluering. The Texas refineries would be refining oil that is shipped in instead of piped in, with the cost of oil nearly the same, and cheaper to refine as it's not as dirty as the Canadian crude.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 25, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
Nope, Bluering. The refineries would be refining oil that is shipped in instead of pipled in, with the cost of oil nearly the same.

So you're saying we would be producing/refining oil/gas without the Saudis involved for the same price? Roughly.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 25, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
Yep. Plus Canadian crude is dirty.

Think world market. Shipping is pretty cheap.

Actually, State Depts says it will cost $10/barrel to transport via pipeline. It costs about $2/barrel to ship in from Persian gulf. The Canadians are going to need top dollar to overcome transport costs.

Texas Gulf refineries export 60% of what they refine now.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 25, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
I'm all-in if we can cut the Saudis out. The crude may be dirty, but overall we will win. We will work the dirt out. The Saudis can pound sand!

EDIT: World market? Let the Saudis sell their sh#t to China/India, I don't give a f*#k. It's time to cut ties.....
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 25, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
"Keystone will send the oil to the gulf refineries for domestic use."

The Keystone pipeline already exists to do that, and is doing it, in Oklahoma, where the existing Keystone pipeline ends.

The Keystone XL project will extend the pipeline from Oklahoma to Port Arthur TX, where the oil will enter the international market. Were the purpose of Keystone XL merely to send crude to domestic refineries for domestic use, it would be done in Oklahoma.

Again, the KXL will be sending crude to China. The domestic capacity for both transport and refining for domestic use already exists.


I don't think that is accurate. The Southern half exists, the Northern is what we're talking about from Canada.

And if we're producing and refining oil, why would we ship it and import oil? Isn't that illogical?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 26, 2013 - 12:20am PT
I think you're wrong, jghedge.
QITNL

climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 12:29am PT
Hot off the press

Oil from proposed Keystone pipeline could end up exported

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/04/25/5372009/oil-from-proposed-keystone-pipeline.html
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:56am PT
i've said before that we appear wrong only because we're so far ahead of you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/us/farm-loan-bias-claims-often-unsupported-cost-us-millions.html?hp&_r=2&pagewanted=all&

this was reported by breitbart over two years ago
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2013 - 11:09am PT
The Koch Brothers will make trillions for their Companies when they get that crude to their refineries in Texas, and export the refined product.

It's all a Marketing ploy to get the right wing knuckle heads to support Corporate Welfare by our Government.

Just like the 2nd amendment debate, the Gun Companies are in hog heaven, all you have to do is stir up the right wing crazies, and they will dig a hole to hell for you.

Grover Norquist is the Chief Lobbyist for the Keystone Pipeline, he just taps into the Fox News/Rush/Levin story line, and all of sudden Obama is the devil because he is stopping all the free oil and cheap gas we were told we we get.

Lies on top of fear and propaganda, the right wing breakfast cereal.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 26, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
doh! plaudits for W? from donna brazille???

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/25/opinion/brazile-katrina-bush/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7


quick look out the window...are pigs flying? are the cows coming home? if you're a lib, is hell frozen over?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 26, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Gonna get your government paycheck today, booky?

how's your government healthcare coming along?

and your government pension looking pretty good, huh?

my goodness, almost cradle to grave sucking on the Nanny State

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 26, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
While you guys argue the merits and motives of Keystone and the rabid enviro community pulls every crooked tool out of the bag to shoot it down in the court of public opinion the canadians are quietly laying plans and soliciting customer committment for their crude to be shipped out of Vancouver B.C. Their is already a pipeline in place and terminal facilities for tanker loading, it just needs expansion and upgrade.Don't worry though since west coast U.S. refineries will be major recipients. Your hybrids will continue to roll.
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