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Mike Friedrichs

Sport climber
City of Salt
Oct 1, 2011 - 06:43pm PT
Just spent the day with the lads here in the land of Zion. They both easily onsighted Trench Warfare. Made it look really easy. Impressive
WBraun

climber
Oct 1, 2011 - 07:47pm PT
Yes

This is how you do it.

You train hard.

Not like Americans who drink beer all day and drool on Supertopo .....
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
Oct 1, 2011 - 09:24pm PT
Them boys is the real sh#t. yes sir......


There are plenty of way ugly OW problems at Joshua Tree that have never been climbed.


Got any coordinates for those???
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Oct 1, 2011 - 09:41pm PT
Yes

This is how you do it.

You train hard.

Not like Americans who drink beer all day and drool on Supertopo .....

Well, I think there is an American or two left who trains hard. There's the Crossfit/Gym Jones/Mountain Athlete set, for instance, and there are plenty of others whose training is more specific to climbing.

As if we really needed reminding, the Brits' success is a testimony to appropriately specific training. There's no crowd of Crossfitters lining up to onsight Lucille. Given the relative paucity of actual OW to practice on in the UK, the Wide Boyz training methods verge on pure genius.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Oct 1, 2011 - 09:47pm PT
beer has lots of carbo hydrates

ask bluey

plus, many a marathon racer cooses beer and carrot juice as the food of choice

mary ann decker has nothing to do with this,

nor pete prefontaine

Steve Roland "Pre" Prefontaine (January 25, 1951 – May 30, 1975) was an American middle and long-distance runner. Prefontaine once held the American record in the seven distance track events from the 2,000 meters to the 10,000 meters.[1] Prefontaine died at the age of 24 in a car accident.

Prefontaine, Frank Shorter, and Bill Rodgers generated considerable media coverage which helped inspire the 1970s "running boom". Prefontaine was often known for his mustache and his long locks of hair that parted as he ran.
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1 Early life
2 High school (1965–1969)
3 College (1970–1973)
4 After college (1974–1975)
5 Death
5.1 Aftermath
5.2 Memorials
6 Portrayals in mass media
7 See also
8 References
8.1 Cited texts
9 External links

[edit] Early life

Steve Prefontaine was born on January 25, 1951, in the coastal logging town of Coos Bay, Oregon.[2] His father, Raymond Prefontaine, was a carpenter and a welder after his time serving in the U.S. Army in World War II. Steve's mother, Elfriede, worked as a seamstress. He had two sisters, Neta and Linda, and they all grew up in a house built by their father.[3]

Prefontaine's personality was described as rambunctious, even during his formative years. He was always moving around, partaking in different activities.[3] In junior high, Prefontaine played football and basketball but rarely played in games due to his size.[4][3][5] In the eighth grade, he noticed several high school cross country team members jog to practice past the football field, an activity he then viewed as mundane. Later that year, he began to realize he was able to compete well in longer distance races in his physical education class during a three week conditioning period.[3] By the second week of the daily mile runs, Prefontaine was able to finish second in the group. With this new-found success, he fell in love with the sport.[5]
[edit] High school (1965–1969)

When Prefontaine arrived at Marshfield High School in 1965, he joined the cross country team, coached by Walt McClure, Jr.[6] McClure ran under coach Bill Bowerman at the University of Oregon and his father, Walt McClure, Sr. ran under Bill Hayward, also at Oregon.[4]

Prefontaine's freshman and sophomore years were described as unspectacular, managing a 5:01 mile personal best in his first year. Though starting out as the seventh man he progressed to be the second by year's end and placed 53rd in the state championship.[6] In his sophomore year, he failed to qualify for the state meet in his event, the two-mile. However, his coach recalls that it was his sophomore year where his potential in the sport really began to surface.[6]

With the advice of McClure, Prefontaine took it upon himself to train hard over the summer.[6] He went through his junior cross country season undefeated and won the state title.[6][7]

Prefontaine set lofty goals for himself for his senior season. He set a national record at the Corvallis Invitational with a time of 8:41.5, only one and a half seconds slower than his goal and 6.9 seconds better than the previous record.[4][7] He won two more state titles that year after another undefeated season, one in the mile and the other in the two mile.[4]

Prefontaine was recruited by 35 to 40 colleges across the nation.[5][8] He received numerous phone calls, letters, and drop-in visits from coaches. Prefontaine referred many of his calls to McClure, who wanted Prefontaine to attend University of Oregon. McClure turned away those universities that began recruiting him late.[5][9] McClure maintained that he did not sway Prefontaine's collegiate choice except to ask Steve where all the distance runners went to college.[4]

Prefontaine wanted to stay in-state for college[9] and especially the University of Oregon,[5] but had not heard much from the University of Oregon head coach, Bill Bowerman. He only received letters from Oregon once a month whereas other universities such as Villanova stayed in constant contact. As a result, Prefontaine did not know how much Bowerman wanted him to attend Oregon.[5][9] Bowerman stated that he did not recruit Prefontaine any different than how he recruited anybody else. It was a matter of principle for him to advise recruits where to attend college, wherever it may be, and to not flood recruits with correspondences.[5] Bowerman had followed Prefontaine's career since he was a sophomore and agreed with McClure in his assessment of Steve being a good runner.[9]

It wasn't until Prefontaine read a letter from Bill Bowerman that he made up his mind to attend Oregon University. Bowerman wrote that he was certain Prefontaine would become the world's greatest distance runner if he decided to run at Oregon.[5][9] Sometime after Prefontaine announced that he signed a letter of intent with the University of Oregon on the first of May in 1969,[8] Bowerman wrote a letter addressed to the community of Coos Bay describing his appreciation for their role in helping Steve become a great runner.[9]
[edit] College (1970–1973)

Prefontaine was recruited by several top track programs across the United States, but decided to enroll at the University of Oregon to train under coach Bill Bowerman (who in 1964 founded Blue Ribbon Sports, later known as Nike). He won the NCAA Men's Cross Country Championship three of his four years at Oregon, because he sat out in 1972 to train for the Olympics in Munich. He suffered only two more defeats in college (both in the mile), winning three Division I NCAA Cross Country Championships and four straight three-mile/5000-meter titles in track. He was a member of the Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity.

Prefontaine was an aggressive runner, insisting on going out hard and not relinquishing leads. He was quoted as saying, "No one will ever win a 5,000 meter by running an easy two miles. Not against me." He would later state, "I am going to work so that it's a pure guts race. In the end, if it is, I'm the only one that can win it". A local celebrity, chants of "Pre! Pre! Pre!" became a frequent feature at Hayward Field, a mecca for track and field in the USA. Fans wore t-shirts that read "LEGEND", while those who supported other teams wore shirts with the phrase "STOP PRE" printed on a stop sign. Prefontaine gained national attention and appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated at age 19.

Prefontaine set the American record in the 5000 meters race, the event that took him to the 1972 Summer Olympic Games in Munich. In the finals, Prefontaine took the lead in the last mile and ended the slow pace of the first two miles. He held the lead until the last 150 meters before battling for first against Lasse Virén and silver medalist Mohammed Gammoudi. Britain's hard-charging Ian Stewart moved into third place within ten meters of the finish line, depriving Prefontaine of an Olympic medal.

Returning for his senior year at the University of Oregon, Prefontaine ended his collegiate career with only three defeats in Eugene, all in the mile. It was during this year that Prefontaine began a protracted fight with the Amateur Athletic Union (AAU), which demanded that athletes who wanted to remain "amateur" for the Olympics not be paid for appearances in track meets. Some viewed this arrangement as unfair, because the participants drew large crowds that generated millions of dollars in revenue, with the athletes being forced to shoulder the burden of all their own expenses without assistance. At the time, the AAU was rescinding athletes' amateur status if they were endorsed in any way. Because Prefontaine was accepting free clothes and footwear from Adidas, he was subject to the AAU's ruling.
[edit] After college (1974–1975)

Following his collegiate career at Oregon, Prefontaine prepared for the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal. While running for the Oregon Track Club, Pre was setting American records in every race from 2000 to 10000 meters.[7]
[edit] Death

On May 30, 1975, returning from a party, after dropping off friend and distance champion Frank Shorter, Prefontaine was driving down Skyline Boulevard, east of the University of Oregon campus near Hendricks Park when, for unknown reasons, his orange 1973 MGB convertible swerved into a rock wall and flipped. The overturned car trapped Prefontaine underneath it. The first witness on the scene, a nearby resident, ran outside and found Prefontaine flat on his back, still alive but pinned beneath the wreck. After trying and failing to lift the vehicle, the bystander ran to get help. By the time he returned with others, the weight of the car had crushed Prefontaine's chest, killing him.

Prefontaine is buried at Sunset Memorial Park in his hometown, Coos Bay.
[edit] Aftermath

The Eugene Register-Guard called his death "the end of an era". By the time of his death, Prefontaine was probably the most popular athlete in Oregon, who, along with Frank Shorter and Bill Bowerman, was credited with sparking the running boom of the 1970s.[citation needed] An annual track event, the Pre Classic, has been held in his honor since 1975.

Over his career, he won 120 of the 153 races he ran (78 percent), and never lost a collegiate (NCAA) race at the University of Oregon. Prefontaine liked to say, "To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."
[edit] Memorials
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Pre's Rock

Pre's Rock is a memorial at the site of the roadside boulder where Prefontaine died. Many runners inspired by Prefontaine leave behind memorabilia to honor his memory and continued influence, such as race numbers, medals, and running shoes. Pre's Rock was dedicated in December 1997 and is maintained by Eugene Parks and Recreation as Prefontaine Memorial Park.[10] The rock is just across the Willamette River from the east end of Pre's Trail. The memorial features a plaque with a picture of Prefontaine that reads:
“ For your dedication and loyalty
To your principles and beliefs...
For your love, warmth, and friendship
For your family and friends...
You are missed by so many
And you will never be forgotten... ”

The Prefontaine Memorial, featuring a relief of his face, records, and date of birth, is located at the Coos Bay Visitor Center in Coos Bay. In 2008, ten memorial plaques were laid along the Prefontaine Memorial Race route, the former training grounds of Prefontaine. The plaques bear an image of Prefontaine from his high school year book and various quotes and records from his time in Coos Bay. The plaques were part of a grant from the Oregon Tourism Commission, the Coos Bay-North Bend Visitor & Convention Bureau, and the Prefontaine Memorial Committee.

Each year on the third Saturday of September in Coos Bay, over 1000 runners engage in the Prefontaine Memorial Run, a 10k run honoring his accomplishments.[11]

The Coos Art Museum in Coos Bay contains a section dedicated to Prefontaine. This section includes medals he won during his career and the pair of spikes he wore when setting an American record for the 5,000 meters at Hayward Field.

In 1983, Prefontaine was inducted into the Oregon Sports Hall of Fame, where several exhibits showcase his shoes, shirts, and other memorabilia. Steve Prefontaine is an inductee of The National Track and Field Hall of Fame in upper Manhattan[12] where one of his Oregon University track uniforms is on display.

The Pete Susick Stadium at Marshfield High School dedicated their track to honor Prefontaine, in April 2001.[13]

Nike used video footage in a commercial titled "Pre Lives" advertising his spirit for their product. On the 30th anniversary of his death, Nike placed a memorial in Sports Illustrated, and aired a television commercial in his honor. Nike's headquarters have a building named after him.[14]
[edit] Portrayals in mass media

Steve Prefontaine's life story has been detailed in two dramatic films: 1997's Prefontaine and 1998's Without Limits, as well as the documentary film Fire on the Track. He has been posthumously nicknamed "the James Dean of track" because both men had a reputation as rebels and loners, and both of them died in auto accidents (in convertibles) at the age of 24.
Phantom X

Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
Oct 1, 2011 - 10:24pm PT
One has to wonder at the achievments these Brits could attain if they disciplined their training to include beer and supertopo.
Mike Friedrichs

Sport climber
City of Salt
Oct 1, 2011 - 10:41pm PT
After a bit of tea (they are British after all), the lads went to Momentum and Pete got the first ever onsight of quite possibly the hardest indoor offwidth in the world.

These guys are the real deal. They do train hard and are really focused. And in spite of their success, they are humble, friendly, and super fun to be around. It was an honor to spend the day with them.
Tom R

climber
Rainy England
Oct 1, 2011 - 11:20pm PT
Hi Mike, thanks massively for all your help today - really, really appreciate it. We had a great day and a perfect mix of indoor and outdoor!

Hope your knee improves and look forward to hearing to getting that Momentum beastly thing done.:-)
MTucker

Ice climber
Arizona
Oct 2, 2011 - 12:53am PT
They are smart and strong.

They pay Alex to do the "drink beer all day and drool on Supertopo ....."
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Oct 2, 2011 - 01:06am PT
So ....

what HAVE you done on gritstone??

Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! Just spent a couple weeks with Neil and Callum up on El Cap, so I definitely "get it". When are you coming back to Yosemite, Tom?
Tom R

climber
Rainy England
Oct 2, 2011 - 01:39am PT
Hey Pete! I was just telling someone about you the other day... I was wondering if you were still going to the Valley. I may come back some time when I have done some other stuff - I have a few other things to do first I.e. Get a bit better and get a few more strange crack skills. :-)

hope you are doing well.

tom
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Oct 2, 2011 - 10:15am PT
That's ANOTHER problem with our country right now, we are not producing enough lads who can compete at the highest levels of offwidth climbing. All that texting and gym climbing, and watching your favorite tv shows 24-7...
Phantom X

Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
Oct 2, 2011 - 01:12pm PT
Good point eeonkee. We are lacking in our production of lads as well as blokes and chaps and this I think is the, if you will, crux of the situation. We manage only to produce mainly boys, guys, and youngsters, better suited for baseball or maybe cricket. I think we've some gals (lasses) that will give them a run for their money(#'s). Face it the Brits are stomping us. They also have Benny Hill and I'm afraid that's another no win for us. God save the Queen.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Oct 2, 2011 - 01:57pm PT
Geez, Tom - you didn't tell them about the sheep, did you?!

Yeah, I'm still here, getting up off the couch every spring and fall to wobble up something on the Captain. Just finished a hard one with a couple of your countrymen, so looking forward to a little easier big wall camping trip next week.

The guys are right - you should come here and give a serious shot at Excalibur on El Cap. Some great offwidths for sure, and our own Steve Schneider aka Shipoopoi can fill you in on the details.
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Oct 2, 2011 - 05:00pm PT
Jammer, a lot of wanking over here from the sounds of it...


metal arms

climber
Liverpool
Oct 7, 2011 - 05:56am PT
Those boys have climbed Haston's Century Crack Project...

See Alex's Blog
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Oct 7, 2011 - 07:00am PT
see also http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=64429
TKingsbury

Trad climber
MT
Oct 7, 2011 - 08:58am PT
SICK!
Captain...or Skully

climber
Where are you bound?
Oct 7, 2011 - 09:02am PT
Holy crap. You got that right, Tom.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Oct 7, 2011 - 09:12am PT
Oh my feckin' achin' root ! !

I just threw up on my keyboard.

Those dudes are truly badass and appear to be in a league of their own.

Sick f*#kin' Brits anyway......
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