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Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2018 - 03:47pm PT
I’ve read about the impacts of light on the chemistry of the body, but I don’t care. I want to enjoy the night’s magic and to hell with the science. I think I can ignore it. Do you? Is everything lock-step cause and effect? I see from my point of view that there is an immense amount of sloppiness in the mechanics of the universe. If one doesn’t force conclusions to be consonant with one’s beliefs, would an empiricist see any “magic?” Could they? Or is the notion out of the question?

Good luck to anyone who might be forced to unpack this paragraph against their will.Lol.

Don't worry overly much MikeL. You can always blindly bungle your way into a modicum of fairly good health and clear thinking-- as you have clearly done by moving from a higher latitude to a much lower one. Ignoring the science, as you put it, is probably good in your case, and quite natural; after all you have painstakingly conditioned your mind to those ends.

Anyone who feels compelled to ignore this stuff does so at their own peril, especially in today's world. Speaking for myself, I am a garden-variety mitochondriac who finds it doubly hard to live with ignorance about such things-- my own ignorance and the ignorance of others.

My chief value is to relay certain forms of knowledge that could be of use to others. It is not an ego trip, nor a do-Gooder project. I don't particularly like having to do it , truth be told.

You can enjoy your nights all you want. But just remember this: exposure to blue light after the sun goes down seriously disrupts cellular autophagy and apoptosis. These are the two main processes which your body uses for repair and replacement of dysfunctional components and the inhibition of cancer.

Get a pair of blue blocker glasses.

Credit: Internet


Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2018 - 07:55pm PT
Neanderthal brains were actually larger on the average than modern H. sapiens.

The larger brain volume is due to the occipital bun being larger. Neanderthals lived during periods of intense glaciation in Europe. The living conditions were dark and handsome, to say the least. Neanderthal survival depended upon acquiring a certain base level of visual acuity at very low light conditions pertaining over hundreds of thousands of years.


Credit: Ward Trotter


Credit: Ward Trotter


Another bit of recent Neanderthal news has been the discovery that our nearest cousins had reached the island of Crete. No big surprise there. The mousterian toolkit ( Neanderthal technology) is more.than up to the job of making boats for the voyage. Leaving Greece the currents are all favorable. It is even possible to island hop half of the way!
WBraun

climber
Jun 10, 2018 - 08:57pm PT
You modern gross materialists are still Neanderthals.

Most likely even worse than Neanderthals.

You haven't advanced one bit.

All you've done is devolved into putting lipstick on a dead body.

Wasted gross materialists ......
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Jun 10, 2018 - 09:37pm PT
Very good, Ward. Thx for the reply.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 11, 2018 - 05:01pm PT
Very good, Ward. Thx for the reply.

And thank you MikeL.

The best of health to you and your loved ones.


Most likely even worse than Neanderthals.

Poor Neanderthals.
They go extinct and 40k years later are further disparaged by being compared to modern scientists.

Neanderthal child reconstructed from skull fragments:

Credit: Ward Trotter



i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
Jun 11, 2018 - 07:20pm PT
Ward, that guy with the stick looks like he's crankin' a stinky!
WBraun

climber
Jun 13, 2018 - 06:27pm PT
The gross materialists only use their two eyes.

Animals only use their two eyes.

But a human being (not the gross materialists as they animals still or Neanderthals) use their third eye.

That's one of the many which distinguishes a human being from an animal.

The gross materialists are just in animal consciousness and are clueless while masquerading themselves as authoritative ......
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Jun 13, 2018 - 06:41pm PT
But a human being (not the gross materialists as they animals still or Neanderthals) use their third eye.


Ward might agree with you, but include other vertebrates as well.



From the point of view of biological evolution, the pineal gland represents a kind of atrophied photoreceptor. In the epithalamus of some species of amphibians and reptiles, it is linked to a light-sensing organ, known as the parietal eye, which is also called the pineal eye or third eye.

from Wikipedia
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Jun 13, 2018 - 06:52pm PT
The mind your repository of learned wisdom.

Caveate: Words you don't understand make blank spots in the memory banks.

And another: The Soul carries with it a dark tormented past from previous lives that can warp the thinking. example: If you are frothing rabidly about what I just said, that is what I am talking about.
WBraun

climber
Jun 13, 2018 - 06:59pm PT
MH2 your description of the third eye is all material.

The third eye I'm talking about is NOT material but linked to the spiritual soul Atma and Parmatma ......
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 13, 2018 - 07:19pm PT
It rarely occurs to people that thinking in causitive terms is a perspective that DOES work, but it nevertheless a perspective. The Buddhists are huge on cause and effect.

However there are other perspectives that offer other truths.

What we see so often here is someone from that perspective challenging people for causitive proof of ANOTHER perspective. That's not an especially cogent request.

Trying to "see" from a non-causitive perspective is another dead end. We already are, we just don't know it till it happens, and we see the idea that "my brain is only fooling me into believing this" for what it is.
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Jun 13, 2018 - 07:20pm PT
I like the material. I feel it as spiritual.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Jun 13, 2018 - 07:35pm PT
and we see the idea that "my brain is only fooling me into believing this" for what it is

I'm lost. What is it?

Sorry, I'm slow tonight.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Jun 13, 2018 - 07:53pm PT
Jogill,

Illusion is the result of ignorance, and ignorance is incomplete understanding. All perspectives are valid, but no perspective is complete. If you will, the One shows up in infinite variegated’ness, each with its perspective. You’d have to combine them all (I guess) to see fully. It can’t be done, of course, so one must make the assumption that what they see is limited (in so many ways).

P.S. Ever see "Rashoman?"
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Jun 13, 2018 - 08:00pm PT
Illusion is the result of ignorance, and ignorance is incomplete understanding. All perspectives are valid, but no perspective is complete. If you will, the One shows up in infinite variegated’ness, each with its perspective. You’d have to combine them all (I guess) to see fully. It can’t be done, of course, so one must make the assumption that what they see is limited (in so many ways).


And yet the philosopher eats the steak on the fork, same as anyone, most of the time.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
Jun 13, 2018 - 08:23pm PT
Hindu and Buddhist philosophers don't eat steak.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Jun 13, 2018 - 08:57pm PT
and we see the idea that "my brain is only fooling me into believing this" for what it is

The truth, I suspect. The mind is a wily coyote, a trickster.

But thanks, Mike.
i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
Jun 13, 2018 - 09:27pm PT
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Jun 14, 2018 - 08:08am PT
Hindu and Buddhist philosophers don't eat steak.


But they do eat? As used in Feynman's light-hearted comments on philosophy, the steak is only an example of food and the point is that almost everyone eats whether or not they fully comprehend the nature of reality.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Jun 14, 2018 - 09:21am PT
It might just look like what we call eating.
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