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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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JL says:
The problem with memes, as a component of mind studies, that it presupposes awareness. No awareness, no memes. You can conflate the two, but reader's will be forgiven for laughing.
Indeed. Nitrous oxide could be the cause of this effect.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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From Bacteria to Bach and Back: The Evolution of MInds
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Of course I read it, and was disappointed at all the ranting about religion (JL)
No comment necessary here.
Must have been another Elmer Fudd book.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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^^^ Religion vs Science thread, maybe?
Although empty awareness may be fascinating I don't think it leads anywhere. Once again, staring unthinkingly at an empty stage fails to illuminate anything of the dramas played thereupon. One may as well initiate a humanities study of the relationship of a particular stage with numerous plays presented upon it. Divide the stage into rectangular tiles. Is there a homeomorphism between the topology on these tiles (open sets) and a topology of a set of aspects of the dramas of the various plays? Unknown territory here, comrades.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Duck: Dennett denies the existence of consciousness. (he's insane)
Funny.
Jgill:
Thanks. I get it. I was mis-conceptualizing the combinations / permutations.
Tom:
I don't get it (the insight). Did you post the correct URL?
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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HFCS:
The idea that people can categorize culture with discrete units—and that they appear to behave as evolutionarily as genes do—is highly questionable in my view. I’d like to see the research studies.
In my field, we refer to many administrative mechanisms (rules, meetings, policies, reporting relationships, size of teams, HR practices {rewards, selection, promotion, training, termination}), and many more mechanisms than I can easily provide here. I’d argue that those (as well as founders’ views, histories, industry structure, etc.) greatly contribute to organizational and industry cultures, but I would not say that they replicate themselves as a gene tends to. Sure there is organizational inertia, but I’m a little unsure that implies “replication, adaptation, and mutation” in the way that genes appear to do.
One of the views that has emerged about organizations and organizing has argued that institutions become similar (showing an isomorphism) across organizations even though they evolved in different ways, and has studied how institutions shape the behavior of agents (i.e. people, organizations, governments) (DiMaggio and Powell, 1983). But this is not necessarily the same thing as “a culture” IMO. You can check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_institutionalism for the sociology.
Is there a need to create another variable (“meme”) to explain organizational isomorphisms?
I question whether anthropologists would argue that cultures can be conceptualized with discrete measurable units. Jan?
EDIT: See also, Berger, Peter L. and Luckmann. 1966. The Social Construction of Reality. New York: Doubleday. (A huge set of ideas.)
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WBraun
climber
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Modern minds are now heavily saturated by electronic smog from the over saturation of the wireless everything technology in our lives today.
Including the high-frequency square wave sub-harmonics emanating from digital switching by CPU's and their related infrastructures.
Probably accounts for why politards are so insane now-a-daze ......
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Waitress, he'll have Ranch with his salad, thanks.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Probably accounts for why politards are so insane now-a-daze ......
How does the experiential insanity of politards relate to neurological processes? Brain -> Mind. Do synapses malfunction amidst those tearful rages?
;>)
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WBraun
climber
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Who knows jgill?
I just wrote for the hell of it and the poor guy fell for it.
He should stand up and stop falling into the electronic smaog.... lol
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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How does the experiential insanity of politards relate to neurological processes? Brain -> Mind. Do synapses malfunction amidst those tearful rages?
Studies are mounting daily that point to the deleterious effects upon mitochondria by EMF fields, microwave and RF transmissions,etc..( not to mention blue light overexposure) Such studies are becoming too numerous to keep up with.
In the human body the greatest concentration of mitochondria is in the brain. In locations of high human populations these negative health effects are becoming nearly catastrophic. That these unfortunate "high tech zones" are the enclaves of unhinged political and criminal behavior comes as no surprise. Add to the fact that many of these locales are in high latitudes with low solar yield and viola! , a type of dystopian environment not featured on Super Bowl commercials.
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WBraun
climber
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Good job Ward .....
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
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There are possible important insights from Mullah Krekar's chilling and honest interview about Islam and the West. This has to do with awareness of the range of differences in philosophical viewpoints.
We are all and each of us embedded in our individual world view. This thread represents a wonderful forum for discussing differences of world views.
Within the wide scope of human entities, we still share a commonality in walking the same planet in similarly designed bodies breathing the same air.
Mullah Krekars represents an intelligent and articulate man with a world view that seems very strange from the perspective of most people within Western cultures. Yet he is very convinced of the correctness of his perspective and can articulate it clearly. His culture, history and society understand and to some extent support his viewpoint. Whatever you may think of his philosophy, to him it is the basic nature of reality.
I propose a scale of 1 to 100 for possible differences in philosophical viewpoints, with zero possibly anchored in Hallmark soap operas. This scale is not about truth or empirically verifiable 'correctness'; just about a range of differences of philosophical perspective.
On such a scale, I would suggest we cast a Rete Net over all perspectives represented here, Largo, Ed, Base, Jan, and all posters to this thread. On such a grand scale to 100, I venture we conservatively all gravitate around a scale of differences between 0 to 10. We could attempt rating our various perspectives as to how far apart we are on this scale. Granted it is challenging to keep the rating independent of value/truth judgements. A higher number does not mean closer to truth; but just a greater difference from the assumed commonality.
On this theoretical scale, anything in the range above 10 would be simply inconceivable and unfathomable to a normally aware human entity (Werner doesn't count).
When you look out at the stars on a dark night you can begin to extrapolate points of view on the rest of our theoretical scale of differences in the range of 10 to 100.
If you wonder why they don't come and talk to us...well I do have interesting conversations with my cat and chickens and pet Goose, but I don't try talking much with the ant hills in my meadows. This all helps me maintain a perspective that we have much to learn.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Culminating in:
Epiphenomenal ectoplasm
Supervenience seems a little like a function from set B to set A that is not one-to-one.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Is supervenience a meme?
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jill said "Although empty awareness may be fascinating I don't think it leads anywhere. "
It sets the stage ,like clearing a calculator . If you don't clear the calculator for the next calculation you get flawed results. If you can't clear your view from your conditioned mind you get conditioned results. Empty awareness is letting go of your opinion, condition and situation and perceiving clearly(letting go of I oriented view).
Then comes clear action/function.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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OK, so it's like the janitor who comes in before the performance and sweeps the stage floor, while we stare at the cleansed and empty stage. And somehow this provides a vital insight into the play's performance or into anything really?
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