Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 27, 2011 - 05:16pm PT
the alternate title of this thread: what liberalism hath wrought
in "the tempest", miranda exclaims, "oh, brave new world that has such creatures in't"; she is excited by the several men who have appeared, miraculously, on the island, the only men (besides her father and caliban) that she has ever seen
of course, her father and the audience know these men to be corrupt--calibans without the external ugliness; thus, prompting prospero's response: "'tis new to you"
orwell receives due credit for the prescience of "1984", but i think huxley was even more insightful about where humanity was headed...behold:
‘Sex box’ to get new name as parents revolt
Officials in Basel have agreed to rename the “sex box” after receiving some 3,000 letters of protest from parents angered by the controversial trove of wooden penises and fabric vaginas set to be used in a new sex education programme for playschool and primary school kids.
Christoph Eymann, Basel education minister and member of the liberal democrat party (LDP), responded to parent’s protests in an interview with SonntagsBlick.
“It was no doubt stupid to call it a ’sex box’ – we will change that. But we will stick to our goal: to get across to children that sexuality is something natural. Without forcing anything upon them or taking anything away from their parents,“ he said.
Many parents say they do not understand why sex education needs to be taught to children as young as four.
“There are usually two reasons why sexuality becomes a topic in kindergarten: either the teacher is pregnant or one of the children will soon get a new sister or brother. In such cases, it is correct that the teacher can respond”, Eymann told SonntagsBlick.
Eymann said he understood that one line in the programme, “touching can be enjoyed heartily”, could be misconstrued, but insisted: “It is not about ‘touch me, feel me’. We want to tell the children that there is contact that they may find pleasurable, but some that they should say ’no’ to. Kids can unfortunately can become victims of sexual violence already at playschool age.“
Eymann said he would prefer if sex education was taught to children at home but argued that education officials needed to respond to the realities of today.
“We currently live in an oversexualised society. There is uncontrolled distribution of pornographic material that can reach young children. Some primary school children know the TV schedule until 2am. We would like to offer these children firm support, which is often not available in the family. The box is only an aid. I trust the teachers to approach the material with care.”
Despite this, Eymann said he takes critics’ arguments seriously, and has ordered the contents of the box to be examined after finding the cover of previous teaching material tasteless.
Some parents have called for their children to be exempted from sex education. Eymann says he is strictly against exemptions, although he is aware this will not make him many friends:
“Primary school may be the only big audience that our society has. The shared values that it teaches are very important. I would definitely like to keep this. The explanatory lesson can be portrayed in a way that doesn’t offend“, he said.
Critics of public school sex education have been warning of this for decades: Once you start down the slippery slope of teaching kids about the mechanics of sex, it will invariably (in some school districts at least) eventually lead to advocacy for sex. Combine that with the relentless drive to introduce sex ed at lower and lower grades, and you end up with what’s happening in Switzerland: Telling four-year-olds how pleasurable sex is and leading them in classroom activities that are tantamount to public masturbation:
‘Sex box’ for Swiss kindergarteners has genitalia toys: will teach sexuality is pleasurable
Kindergarten children in Basel, Switzerland will be presented this year with fabric models of human genitalia in a “sex box” to teach them that “contacting body parts can be pleasurable.”
The kit for teachers to give sex-education lessons to primary school children uses models and recommends having children massage each other or to rub themselves with warm sand bags, accompanied by soft music….
I can no longer deny what I’ve long merely suspected: That many “progressive” educators use mandatory public school sex education specifically for the purpose of indoctrinating entire generations of children into being promiscuous as early as possible. Why? To cause the breakdown of the nuclear family, to pave the road for a Brave New World.
Yesterday, it only happened in fiction. Today, it happens in Switzerland. Tomorrow — coming to a school near you.
Once you start down the slippery slope of teaching kids about the mechanics of sex, it will invariably (in some school districts at least) eventually lead to advocacy for sex. Combine that with the relentless drive to introduce sex ed at lower and lower grades, and you end up with what’s happening in Switzerland: Telling four-year-olds how pleasurable sex is and leading them in classroom activities that are tantamount to public masturbation:
BWA HA HA hahahaaa!!! Bookie is channeling Michelle Bitchman!!
*Birth = breathing = growing = hearing = seeing = learning = erection = school = lights = camera = public = masturbation = ACTION!!!
You're so right Bookie. People haven't figured sex out for the last 100,000 years. (Oooops sorry, the earth is only 6,000 years old)
Where ever did all these people come from without liberals teaching us how to masturbate in public?? BWA HA HA hahahaaaaa!!!!
Just look at all those folks beating off on the school bus in Switzerland!!!
‘Sex box’ for Swiss kindergarteners has genitalia toys: will teach sexuality is pleasurable
Kindergarten children in Basel, Switzerland will be presented this year with fabric models of human genitalia in a “sex box” to teach them that “contacting body parts can be pleasurable.”
yep, i'm a troglodyte because i think it's inappropriate to 1) provide KINDERGARTENERS with "genitalia toys"; 2) encourage KINDERGARTENERS to seek/practice sexual pleasure; 3) allow adults i barely know to "teach" KINDERGARTENERS about sexual pleasure
if your neighbor was offering the same "education" and sharing the same "toys" you'd have him arrested for child abuse; however, since these people are "educators" (whatever that means), you're willing to abdicate your responsibilities as parents or, worse, your responsibilities as citizens while you send your own children to private school
Have you ever been to Switzerland?
Hard to find a more conservative place in the world.
Check It out...maybe do a climb..
You would be surprised how different of a world it is...
Fourth-Trimester Abortion
September 13, 2011 10:43 A.M.
By Mark Steyn
From the Court of Queen’s Bench (the appellate court) in Alberta:
The Wetaskiwin, Alta., woman convicted of infanticide for killing her newborn son, was given a three-year suspended sentence Friday by an Edmonton Court of Queen’s Bench judge.
Katrina Effert was 19 on April 13, 2005, when she secretly gave birth in her parents’ home, strangled the baby boy with her underwear and threw the body over a fence into a neighbour’s yard…
Effert will have to abide by conditions for the next three years but she won’t spend time behind bars for strangling her newborn son.
Indeed. As Judge Joanne Veit puts it:
“While many Canadians undoubtedly view abortion as a less than ideal solution to unprotected sex and unwanted pregnancy, they generally understand, accept and sympathize with the onerous demands pregnancy and childbirth exact from mothers, especially mothers without support,” she writes… “Naturally, Canadians are grieved by an infant’s death, especially at the hands of the infant’s mother, but Canadians also grieve for the mother.”
Gotcha. So a superior court judge in a relatively civilized jurisdiction is happy to extend the principles underlying legalized abortion in order to mitigate the killing of a legal person — that’s to say, someone who has managed to make it to the post-fetus stage. How long do those mitigating factors apply? I mean, “onerous demands”-wise, the first month of a newborn’s life is no picnic for the mother. How about six months in? The terrible twos?
Speaking of “onerous demands,” suppose you’re a “mother without support” who’s also got an elderly relative around with an “onerous” chronic condition also making inroads into your time?
And in what sense was Miss Effert a “mother without support”? She lived at home with her parents, who provided her with food and shelter. How smoothly the slick euphemisms — “accept and sympathize . . . onerous demands” — lubricate the slippery slope.
go ahead, google obama and the born alive infant protection act--i dare you
Bookworm: Had Caliban gotten Miranda with child, Prospero would be first in line with her at the island's abortion clinic. As one eng. teacher to another, I disagree with your plot interpretation of the Tempest in post one.
tony, i'd like to know if you have pictures of your mother and sister embracing...while wearing lingerie; or your wife and mother-in-law
or if you look forward to taking pictures of your wife and daughter embracing...while wearing lingerie...and if you would display them around your house
if not, why not? perhaps your "sensibilities" might encourage you to take a few snapshots of yourself and your father embracing...while wearing jockstraps...or yourself and your son? certainly, there's nothing to "fear", right?
didn't answer my question, bookie, and i'll assume you haven't had kids of your own to raise.
today's kids are jaded about sex even before they reach puberty. you can thank various modern media for that, but primarily movies and the internet. if you have parental controls on there, you can bet they have friends who don't, and it really doesn't matter one way or the other. as with every generation, when kids come into their own sexuality they are faced with the dilemma of temptation versus responsibility, and perhaps they deal with it better than was done in less honest times.
the main reason hypocrisies like this rankle me is that our society does miserably in engaging young people and providing them with social structures to see them through this time. so-called primitive societies do much better, with realistic puberty/adulthood rites and traditions which have been tried and true from time immemorial. our society suffers from 2,000 years of christian negation of normal human sexuality. the best we can come up with? the senior prom. first big date. get laid! pregnant? oh, dear ...
bookworm, i can only imagine you are a 68 year old virgin. educating youngsters is a good thing, keeping them ignorant...is to get them ready for the tea party.
our society suffers from 2,000 years of christian negation of normal human sexuality.
No, Tony, you don't understand. There's this old guy in Rome who wears a dress and has never had any sex (well, not with a woman, anyway) in his life who knows what is best for you and your children. He says sex is bad, so you should listen to him.
and you didn't answer my questions, either, which were actually questions
and where's the hypocrisy?
and do you really argue that sexual mores were less stringent before the advent of christianity, thereby ignoring at least 3,000 years of judaism, not to mention the countless other belief systems that sought to control man's sexual appetite? ever read plato or the five precepts of buddhism? and, out of curiosity, why do you single out christianity and ignore the medieval methods (i.e. female circumcision)of modern muslim societies? talk about "fear"
do you argue that kids should have free access to porn? do you allow your kids such freedom? do you suggest that porn is the best way for kids to learn how to deal with their emerging sexuality? sexting ok with you, too? will you encourage your kids to partake in such "explorations"?
i applaud celebrating the beauty and sexuality of older women, but, yeah, i'm creeped out by COMMERCIAL ADS that specifically portray a mother and daughter wearing lingerie in sexually suggestive poses
ghost, obviously, you don't understand christianity, either, which says that sex is awesome but that we need to control our urges...and, again, why not any bigoted comments about muslims? coward
ghost, obviously, you don't understand christianity, either, which says that sex is awesome but that we need to control our urges...and, again, why not any bigoted comments about muslims? coward
Coward? I'm a coward because I don't make bigoted comments about muslims?
For what it's worth, the Muslim tradition seems to have an even more disturbing view of women and sex than the Christian one. (There, I said it, does that make me brave in your eyes?)
Now, about the other thing. You say christianity says "that sex is awesome." If that's true, I must have missed it in the bible. Can you point me to the right chapter and verse? I can remember things like it being okay to conquer people and make them slaves, and that I should put adulterers to death, and that if I get a wound in my testicles I can't enter the house of the lord, but I really don't remember "Sex is awesome."
Seriously, where in the bible does it say that sex is awesome?
the bible/christianity condemns sex outside of marriage; however, inside marriage, sex is celebrated as a sacred act of creation; the catholics, in particular, (and mormons, too, i think) promote a vigorous sex life within marriage
still waiting for those mother/daughter, mother-in-law/wife, father/son underwear pics from tony, survival, karo, etc...why aren't you guys posting up? i'm a neanderthal seeking enlightenment; help a fellow climber improve his "sensibilities"
OSLO, Norway (AP) — Facing terror with music, tens of thousands gathered in squares across Norway to sing a children's song that gunman Anders Behring Breivik claimed is being used to brainwash young Norwegians.
The defiant Facebook protest against the right-wing fanatic took place as survivors gave tearful testimony Thursday in his trial for the July 22 bombing-and-shooting rampage that killed 77 people, mostly teenagers.
Some 40,000 people converged at a central square in Oslo in the pouring rain to sing the 1970's song "Children of the Rainbow" — a Norwegian version of American folk music singer Pete Seeger's "Rainbow Race."
Later they were to lay roses on the steps of the courthouse in memory of those killed in the massacre.
In testimony last week, Breivik mentioned the song as an example of how he believes "cultural Marxists" have infiltrated Norwegian schools, triggering a Facebook intiative for Thursday's protests.
Shocked by Breivik's lack of remorse for his massacre, Norwegians by and large have decided the best way to confront him is by demonstrating their commitment to everything he loathes.
In court Thursday, people who survived Breivik's car bomb in Olso's government district gave emotional testimony as he listened expressionless.
OSLO, Norway (AP) — Facing terror with music, tens of thousands gathered in squares across Norway to sing a children's song that gunman Anders Behring Breivik claimed is being used to brainwash young Norwegians.
The defiant Facebook protest against the right-wing fanatic took place as survivors gave tearful testimony Thursday in his trial for the July 22 bombing-and-shooting rampage that killed 77 people, mostly teenagers.
Some 40,000 people converged at a central square in Oslo in the pouring rain to sing the 1970's song "Children of the Rainbow" — a Norwegian version of American folk music singer Pete Seeger's "Rainbow Race."
Later they were to lay roses on the steps of the courthouse in memory of those killed in the massacre.
In testimony last week, Breivik mentioned the song as an example of how he believes "cultural Marxists" have infiltrated Norwegian schools, triggering a Facebook intiative for Thursday's protests.
Shocked by Breivik's lack of remorse for his massacre, Norwegians by and large have decided the best way to confront him is by demonstrating their commitment to everything he loathes.
In court Thursday, people who survived Breivik's car bomb in Olso's government district gave emotional testimony as he listened expressionless.
OSLO, Norway (AP) — Facing terror with music, tens of thousands gathered in squares across Norway to sing a children's song that gunman Anders Behring Breivik claimed is being used to brainwash young Norwegians.
The defiant Facebook protest against the right-wing fanatic took place as survivors gave tearful testimony Thursday in his trial for the July 22 bombing-and-shooting rampage that killed 77 people, mostly teenagers.
Some 40,000 people converged at a central square in Oslo in the pouring rain to sing the 1970's song "Children of the Rainbow" — a Norwegian version of American folk music singer Pete Seeger's "Rainbow Race."
Later they were to lay roses on the steps of the courthouse in memory of those killed in the massacre.
In testimony last week, Breivik mentioned the song as an example of how he believes "cultural Marxists" have infiltrated Norwegian schools, triggering a Facebook intiative for Thursday's protests.
Shocked by Breivik's lack of remorse for his massacre, Norwegians by and large have decided the best way to confront him is by demonstrating their commitment to everything he loathes.
In court Thursday, people who survived Breivik's car bomb in Olso's government district gave emotional testimony as he listened expressionless.
Prospero: These actors, as I foretold you,
were all spirits, and are melted into air...
We are such stuff as dreams are made on;
and our little life is rounded with a sleep.
There's this old guy in Rome who wears a dress and has never had any sex (well, not with a woman, anyway) in his life who knows what is best for you and your children. He says sex is bad, so you should listen to him.
Ghost for the win, again....
And since nookie, er, I mean bookie wants to see a picture of my sister:
It's ok man, you may pray for her.
barry refuses to allow lech walesa (the man who helped bring down the soviet union--union of soviet SOCIALIST republics--to accept jan karski's medal of freedom
barry claims walesa is "too political"
walesa was arrested by the soviets for "POLITICAL dissent"
barry honors dolores huerta with a medal of freedom on the same day he honors karksi
huerta is the honorary chair of the democratic SOCIALISTS of america
When I see stickers or t-shirts that say "Real Men Love Jesus" should I think of that as gay necrophilia? If you think that question is offensive, consider all that has been done in the name of religion, order, salvation, etc...
"But the Netherlands decided in 1996 that street prostitution was a decent way to earn money and created several ‘tolerance zones’ for men to safely rent a vagina, anus or mouth for a few minutes."
remember our little spat a few years back when you were whining about waterboarding and defending abortion? i offered an opportunity to demonstrate the courage of your convictions: i'll let you waterboard me, if you let me abort you (and you can go first)
you replied, "i can't be aborted because i've already been born"
well, according to planned parenthood (an organization i'm sure you support unconditionally) you can still be aborted
so, i make my offer again...c'mon, f, here's your chance to prove waterboarding is "torture" on a loathsome conservative...all i get to do is eliminate a "clump of cells" that i find inconvenient
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men in it
There are no such things as a post birth abortions, did you read the article? apparently not
They are discussing what to do with a baby that survives an Abortion, let it die, or force it to live, they are not going to perform an abortion on it. But of course it was the Weekly Standard, so they propagandized it to sound like a post birth abortion, and only a fool would fall into that trap.
It doesn't really matter, because God told me that's it's OK to let the aborted babies die, God is OK with abortion (since the mother can't care for it), and he said that only those babies that live past a couple days get a soul implanted
and still Water Boarding is a War crime punishable by Death, That's what America did to the Japanese after WW11.
That David Icke guy is the same one who believes in Lizard People controlling the world.
Where do you stand on that one Book? Or New World Order?
Do you believe Lizard People are running the planet? Geez, the real humans that are running the world from one time zone to the next aren't f*^%ed up enough, so we invent lizard people?
The hard right evangelical part of conservatism (rather than basic conservative political values) is going to spell the doom of the Republicans as this new generation starts voting.
They are sort of the U.S. version of the Muslim Brotherhood.
huh, lacking much in the way of reasonable explanations of sex from my parents (other than dont do it til yer older) i learned quite a bit from porn. lucky i never got anyone pregnant til now, i guess. anyway, theres no such conspiracy as trying to dissolve the "traditional american family". now contrails and obamb as the antichrist on the other hand...
theres a connection here- the aliens brought color tv to roswell, which was subsequently used to brainwash the people with programs like V, where an alien race of lizard people try to take over earth. only we were saved by a bigfoot/godzilla partnership when the prez denounced his stated faith and declared jihad on the infidel lizards because the wanted to teach sex ed using fabric vaginas. what, you missed that episode?
a murder trial featuring multiple victims, a staff of helpers, beheadings, body parts preserved and displayed as trophies, and all while theoretically under government oversight?
here's a scotus description of f's most valued "right":
Most common is the first-trimester “suction curettage,” in which the “physician” vacuums the unwanted “embryonic tissue” from the womb. By the time the second trimester is reached, this “tissue” has matured into the unmistakable shape of a child. Thus the “dilation and evacuation” procedure is often called for.
Employed millions of times in this most civilized country over the last half century, “D&E,” the court explained, involves the “physician’s” use of forceps “to tear apart” the “fetus” by “ripping” it from the cervix and then “evacuating the fetus piece by piece . . . until it has been completely removed” from the mother. Often, the justices observed, the D&E “physician” finds it more congenial to “kill the fetus a day or two before performing the surgical evacuation,” since “medical” experience has shown that, “once dead . . . the fetus’ body will soften,” becoming “easier” to dice and remove. Oh, another helpful tip: “Rotating the fetus as it is being pulled decreases the odds of dismemberment.”
By the time Carhart was decided, Roe v. Wade had been on the books for over a generation — the generation, to be more specific, that is now ruling the roost. It goes without saying — for we wouldn’t want to say it — that, in a nation that has absorbed this generation’s preening “values,” D&E already enjoyed the stamp of judicial approval. The only question before the Carhart Court was whether “partial birth” abortion — “intact D&E” — was beyond the pale.
This “medical procedure” is triggered by an advanced stage of maturation, in which the child’s well-developed head tends to “lodge in the cervix.” Relying on the instruction of Martin Haskell, another experienced abortionist, the justices related:
The right-handed surgeon slides the fingers of the left [hand] along the back of the fetus and “hooks” the shoulders of the fetus with the index and ring fingers (palm down). While maintaining this tension, lifting the cervix and applying traction to the shoulders with the fingers of the left hand, the surgeon takes a pair of blunt curved Metzenbaum scissors in the right hand. He carefully advances the tip, curved down, along the spine and under his middle finger until he feels it contact the base of the skull under the tip of his middle finger.
The surgeon then forces the scissors into the base of the skull. . . . He spreads the scissors to enlarge the opening. . . . The surgeon [then] removes the scissors and introduces a suction catheter into this hole and evacuates the skull contents. With the catheter still in place, he applies traction to the fetus, removing it completely from the patient.
“Evacuates the skull contents” may be more bracing than “snip,” but it doesn’t quite do justice to the process and the frightful insouciance behind it. That was left to a nurse who had watched Haskell perform the “procedure” on a six-month-old “however way you want to describe it.” She recalled that, once all but the head had been delivered,
the baby’s little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his little feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors in the back of his head, and the baby’s arms jerked out, like a startle reaction, like a flinch, like a baby does when he thinks he is going to fall.
The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening, and sucked the baby’s brains out. Now the baby went completely limp. . . . He cut the umbilical cord and delivered the placenta. He threw the baby in a pan, along with the placenta and the instruments he had just used."
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men in it
here you go, f, more heroes of "choice" (Alberto Giubilini,
1,2; Francesca Minerva):
CONCLUSIONS
If criteria such as the costs (social, psychological, economic) for
the potential parents are good enough reasons for having an
abortion even when the fetus is healthy, if the moral status of
the newborn is the same as that of the infant and if neither has
any moral value by virtue of being a potential person, then the
same reasons which justify abortion should also justify the
killing of the potential person when it is at the stage of
a newborn.
Two considerations need to be added.
First, we do not put forward any claim about the moment
at which after-birth abortion would no longer be permissible, and
we do not think that in fact more than a few days would be
necessary for doctors to detect any abnormality in the child. In
cases where the after-birth abortion were requested for non-
medical reasons, we do not suggest any threshold, as it depends on
the neurological development of newborns, which is something
neurologists and psychologists would be able to assess.
Second, we do not claim that after-birth abortions are good
alternatives to abortion. Abortions at an early stage are the best
option, for both psychological and physical reasons. However, if
a disease has not been detected during the pregnancy, if some-
thing went wrong during the delivery, or if economical, social or
psychological circumstances change such that taking care of the
offspring becomes an unbearable burden on someone, then
people should be given the chance of not being forced to do
something they cannot afford.
my offer still stands;; let's see the courage of your convictions
Bookwork nails it. The Republicans have a big problem with social issues. Previously that was the property of the liberals.
There may not be a Republican Party in twenty years. There will be a centrist offshoot that would gobble up the centrists in both parties, the only ones who actually get things done.
Seriously, the right is being torn to shreds from the evangelical voice which isn't shared by most Americans.
Who hear sets their DVR to catch every episode of "The 700 Club"?
Pat Robertson is mainly nuts. The only thing sensible he has said in as far as I can remember is about marijuana.
Bookworm nails it alright
The worst of the worst possible
A combination Of Right Wing Republicanism with Evangelical Right Wing Christianity
Just like we were warned about a millions times
look out for the Flag Draped Cross
Credit: Dr. F.
And to add a note for bookworm, who thinks that Torture is cool if done by his cult, 100s died of Torture by the hands of Americans, at Gitmo, Iraq and Afghanistan. There was alot more torture going on other than Water Boarding, we all saw the pics, and read about the constant dehumanising techniques used to Break them.
Boy, and all torture provided some mighty fine intelL, right?
WRONG
It was all done in vain, a illegal war based on lies, and incompetent response to a known terrorist attack that could have stopped
My last word, the Right Wing have more blood on their hands than any other group of people known to man.
You know right wingers are usually terrible at humor (too mean spirited). But that one is really cracking me up. Of course it was unintended, but that makes it ever MORE funny!
here's some more casual reading, f; maybe you can whisper these sweet nothings to your wife...or enjoy a page or two over breakfast...or simply bask in the glorious results of your most prized "constitutional right":
wait, isn't "viability" the basis of the whole pro-abortion position? because the "fetuses" are not "viable" outside the womb, then they're not really babies...
once again, f, i offer my challenge...according to nyt, you are a "viable fetus" and, as you so vehemently declare, fetuses can and should be aborted if they are "inconvenient"
you waterboard me; then, i abort you
afterwards, we can reaffirm the constitutionality of our positions...we'll accept your affirmation in writing
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men [like f] in it
hey, bruce, haven't seen you complain about barry's drone assassinations that included an american citizen and his 16-year-old son...or show any sympathy for gosnell's victims--mothers or children
"A 19-year-old McCaskey East High School student was charged with concealing the death of a child after she reportedly gave birth to a fetus that was found dead in a school bathroom Tuesday night."
for you libs, whose moral relativity prevents you from understanding, allow me to point it out:
how can somebody be charged with "concealing the death of a CHILD" if she only gave birth to a "fetus"?
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men in it
so, the ohio kidnapper and child rapist canNOT be executed for kidnapping, imprisoning and raping at least three girls for 10 years based on the scotus' "evolving standards of decency" decision
how's that for a war on women (and children)? i guess libs don't consider his actions "torture"
wait, the prosecutor is considering the death penalty? because the kidnapper/racist beat one of the girls and caused her to have a miscarriage?
"2903.01 Aggravated murder.
(A) No person shall purposely, and with prior calculation and design, cause the death of another or the unlawful termination of another’s pregnancy…
(F) Whoever violates this section is guilty of aggravated murder, and shall be punished as provided in section 2929.02 of the Revised Code."
wait, how can one "cause the death of another" when the other is not alive but simply a fetus? how can one commit "aggravated MURDER" against a "clump of cells"?
wait, doesn't this mean the fetus is given more protection than the woman carrying the fetus? see, it's "evolved decency" to spare a man who kidnaps, imprisons, and rapes a woman for 10 years and to execute a man who terminates a fetus
where's the outrage?
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men in it
Let us know!