Another soul lost at Half Dome

If yur gonna do the most selfish and cowardly thing any human can and do yourself in, can you please have the common courtesy to do so where no one can find and then have to clean up yur mess nor potentially take anyone else with you.

does not seem to me that anyone actually knows the circumstances of this unfortunate event (did i miss something? why would a person falling accidentally not yell out?)

Are you new here Ken ?

Ranting and raving is what Chief does best .

And he's from the Eastside

Anger at the selfishness that exists when individuals do just this one did and kills others in their final act.

Sounds to me John as if you are not willing to change and want to remain in that current state of mind.

What gives anyone the right to get behind the wheel of a vehicle, drugged outta their mind, speed off at 100 mph and crash head on into another vehicle killing everyone inside. An entire totally innocent family at that.

Really? You ever have direct dealings with a suicide situ that ended up in the deaths of innocent others?

"I Still want to know why its selfish to kill oneself, ..."

All we know about the man who jumped or fell from the top of half dome is that he must have been very scared as he fell. I feel sympathy for him and for the men who were present to see and hear it.

To even comprehend this concept is far beyond the realms of modern western man's thinking. Instead, western material man has come to believe what it does and would rather find pity and false empathy instead of dealing with the root of the real issue. Selfishness.

I have been in therapy well over four years now.

As Werner stated, we are not owners of our physical bodies. Thus we do not have the right to destroy it, ever.

The man who died after falling off Half Dome was identified as Ryan Leeder, 23, of Los Gatos. The incident appears to be accidental, according to a Yosemite National Park spokesperson.

This is the reason that to try to approach this with logic and reason doesn't work, any more than it does to have a deep intellectual discussion with someone who is profoundly drunk or high. . . .

but reality ain't meant to always be easy...

I am a friend of the family, and I spoke with the Mother of the deceased. She does not think it was a suicide, but an accident. In this case, it may be that they cannot determine one way or the other, so I hope that ends the debates on this thread.

Anyone know if there's still any wetness up there near the edges, just curious.

Leeder was hiking alone, and no one at the top of Half Dome saw him fall.

OUr liberals in California forced Reagan to close "cruel" institutions.

The Lanterman–Petris–Short (LPS) Act (Cal. Welf & Inst. Code, sec. 5000 et seq.) concerns the involuntary civil commitment to a mental health institution in the State of California. The act set the precedent for modern mental health commitment procedures in the United States. It was co-authored by California State Assemblyman Frank Lanterman (R) and California State Senators Nicholas C. Petris (D) and Alan Short (D), and signed into law in 1967 by Governor Ronald Reagan. The Act went into full effect on July 1, 1972. It cited seven articles of intent:
To end the inappropriate, indefinite, and involuntary commitment of mentally disordered persons, people with developmental disabilities, and persons impaired by chronic alcoholism, and to eliminate legal disabilities;
To provide prompt evaluation and treatment of persons with serious mental disorders or impaired by chronic alcoholism;
To guarantee and protect public safety;
To safeguard individual rights through judicial review;
To provide individualized treatment, supervision, and placement services by a conservatorship program for gravely disabled persons;
To encourage the full use of all existing agencies, professional personnel and public funds to accomplish these objectives and to prevent duplication of services and unnecessary expenditures;
To protect mentally disordered persons and developmentally disabled persons from criminal acts.
The Act in effect ended all hospital commitments by the judiciary system, except in the case of criminal sentencing, e.g., convicted sexual offenders, and those who were "gravely disabled", defined as unable to obtain food, clothing, or housing [Conservatorship of Susan T., 8 Cal. 4th 1005 (1994)]. It did not, however, impede the right of voluntary commitments. It expanded the evaluative power of psychiatrists and created provisions and criteria for holds.

The act set the precedent for modern mental health commitment procedures in the United States.

What more can be done?

OUr liberals in California forced Reagan to close "cruel" institutions.

Anyone considered a Half Dome hand stand that went wrong?

Park officials are investigating the fall as an accident, and Leeder's relatives are trying to piece together what may have happened. His father, Larry Leeder, who was heading to Yosemite on Wednesday, didn't return a phone call. But Belanger said that the younger Leeder had been battling mental illness since he was a teenager.

"Time and time again, that was his Achilles' heel. That was something he really struggled
with," Belanger, 28, of San Jose, said. "I think, just like a lot of times he had gotten himself into trouble, it usually had something to do with that."

But Belanger says the family still has many unanswered questions, including why Leeder's backpack was found a mile down the trail on the back side of the dome. Leeder's father, a retired piano tuner who lives with his wife in Los Gatos, speculated to Belanger that his son might have been exhausted after spending most of the previous night awake texting someone.

suicide is definitely selfish and certainly cowardly

I am 21, and graduate this year from UCSC with honors in Economics,

'Hey all, I signed up just to shed a little light on Ryan Leeder. I knew him personally, he was a drug addict, and essentially a ticking time bomb for this to occur. I knew him for over a year, and I do not recall a day he was not high on coke, opiates, weed, drunk, or high on psychedelic drugs. Everyone saying RIP and saying that they are praying for his family... let me add context. He literally worshiped the devil and believed in all the cult stuff you can imagine, one of the many reasons I stopped hanging out with him in June, 2 months prior to this. Also, he tried to rob my apartment because he had run out of money from family to buy drugs and came to ask for some. I said no so he tried to grab the money I had on the counter and run. I caught him in the hallway before the door and gave him a beating. He was so high he couldn't feel the pain and kept trying to fight back and didnt realize that he lost his pants and underwear in the process until he was outside, bleeding out of his nose. He ended up going to the ER and from the the police took him away and I decided not to press charges, I felt I gave him enough of a punishment. They found high amounts of coke, opiates, weed, meth, and acid in his system. He was sent to a mental institute after he said to the police that all he recalled was he came over to say what's up and left. He didn't remember what occurred the night before. The policy found mounds of caffeine that he was snorting because he couldn't by cocaine and roaches in his house from lack of hygiene. At least now he is in hell with the thing he used to worship... Satan. He was a fiend who never could get his life together, playing video games all day, and never had a job; used money from family to pay for everything. He won't be missed by many, except his dealers I'm sure. Let me know if you guys have any other questions. The comments that say RIP and our prayers go out to you make me sick."

Seems to be some excess baggage there, just sayin'......