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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 12, 2011 - 05:09pm PT
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Edit: sorry about the typo in the title. OOoooppssiiieee.
Coming up to the 10th Anniversary, it comes as no surprise to me and many others throughout the World who have really looked deep into the truth of 9-11-01, regardless of how painful it is:
LIHOP at a minimum, MIHOP at a maximum. I think some aspects of 9-11-01 were LIHOP, and then many aspects were MIHOP. It was both. So I think we really have LMIHOP.
Just look at what has happened since 9-11-01. Who has benefited? Who has gained? The Military-Industrial-Spy-Intelligence-Complex. Corporations. Bankers. Those who would want to bring about the NWO with authoritarian governments run rampant, and the purposeful weakening or potential loss of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The severely weakened economy and the lose of many jobs and the attack on the American Middle Class and everything right, noble, and that purports to be about treating others with respect, and treating others with dignity, and treating others as you would want to be treated, "The Golden Rule" as Christ taught us, all of this works to the same very dark and sinister means, motive, and opportunity.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x620176
An Explosive New 9/11 Charge (CIA tried to recruit 9/11 hijackers—then covered it up-Richard Clarke)
Edited on Thu Aug-11-11 07:28 PM by kpete
Source: The Daily Beast
An Explosive New 9/11 Charge
In a new documentary, former national-security aide Richard Clarke suggests the CIA tried to recruit 9/11 hijackers—then covered it up. Philip Shenon on George Tenet’s denial.
Aug 11, 2011 8:47 AM EDT
With the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks only a month away, former CIA Director George Tenet and two former top aides are fighting back hard against allegations that they engaged in a massive cover-up in 2000 and 2001 to hide intelligence from the White House and the FBI that might have prevented the attacks.
The source of the explosive, unproved allegations is a man who once considered Tenet a close friend: former White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, who makes the charges against Tenet and the CIA in an interview for a radio documentary timed to the 10th anniversary next month. Portions of the Clarke interview were made available to The Daily Beast by the producers of the documentary.
In the interview for the documentary, Clarke offers an incendiary theory that, if true, would rewrite the history of the 9/11 attacks, suggesting that the CIA intentionally withheld information from the White House and FBI in 2000 and 2001 that two Saudi-born terrorists were on U.S. soil—terrorists who went on to become suicide hijackers on 9/11.
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Clarke says it is fair to conclude “there was a high-level decision in the CIA ordering people not to share information.” Asked who would have made the order, Clarke replies, “I would think it would have been made by the director,” referring to Tenet
Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/11/september-11th-anniversary-richard-clarke-s-explosive-cia-cover-up-charge.html
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In a written response prepared last week in advance of the broadcast, Tenet says that Clarke, who famously went public in 2004 to blow the whistle on the Bush White House over intelligence failures before 9/11, has “suddenly invented baseless allegations which are belied by the record and unworthy of serious consideration.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/62083444/Joint-Statement
Weird. This article from Vanity Fair
reference the same two guys but implies they received Saudi assistance. See p. 7.
They were Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, both Saudis, both experienced jihadis—holy warriors—though still in their mid-20s. They entered the country through Los Angeles International Airport as early as January 15, 2000, with scant knowledge of the English language and zero experience of life in the West. The 9/11-commission report declared it “unlikely” that the pair “would have come to the United States without arranging to receive assistance from one or more individuals informed in advance of their arrival.”
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/08/9-11-2011-201108#
The CIA insisted to the 9/11 Commission and other government investigations that the agency never knew the exact whereabouts of the two hijackers, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, inside the U.S.—let alone try to recruit them as spies.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/11/september-11th-anniversary-richard-clarke-s-explosive-cia-cover-up-charge.html
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Gene
climber
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Aug 12, 2011 - 05:33pm PT
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LIHOP at a minimum, MIHOP at a maximum.
Works for me.
Nice pun BTW in your title.
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apogee
climber
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Aug 12, 2011 - 07:11pm PT
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Aug 12, 2011 - 07:50pm PT
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Mmmmm Ihop...MMmmmm, is Clarke buying? I'm down.
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Gene
climber
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Aug 12, 2011 - 07:53pm PT
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Quiz.... No postcards will be awarded. Sorry.
What restuarant do one legged waitresses prefer to work in?
What is the name of the chain's best waitress?
What is the name of the chain's best waitress's Asian sister?
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Aug 12, 2011 - 07:59pm PT
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Come on Irene.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 12, 2011 - 09:27pm PT
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So you "Lame Ducks" have anything to say of substance against Richard Clarke's claim or not?
Typical.
All we ever get from you guys is ad hominem meaningless and juvenile attacks.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 12, 2011 - 09:37pm PT
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ad hominem meaningless and juvenile attacks
All we ever get from you is redundancy.
Everybody knows the truth; 9-11 was orchestrated by the martians.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 12, 2011 - 09:40pm PT
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From the beginning of the Aug 2011 Vanity Fair article:
The Kingdom and the Towers
Was there a foreign government behind the 9/11 attacks? A decade later, Americans still haven’t been given the whole story, while a key 28-page section of Congress’s Joint Inquiry report remains censored. Gathering years of leaks and leads, in an adaptation from their new book, Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan examine the connections between Saudi Arabia and the hijackers (15 of whom were Saudi), the Bush White House’s decision to ignore or bury evidence, and the frustration of lead investigators—including 9/11-commission staffers, counterterrorism officials, and senators on both sides of the aisle.
If you buy the official story, then I have a bridge I'd like to rent to you.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 12, 2011 - 09:46pm PT
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I'll be flying out of National Airport on 9/11/2011 - wish me luck!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 12, 2011 - 10:46pm PT
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You aren't talking about a no name nobody. You are talking about someone who was there, and who should know something about it. We have to listen to him and check it out. This was his job to do this and he is being ignored. Why is that? You can't dismiss it with a wave of the hand or mindless attacks.
But I know human nature and conspiracies often go that way. Dismiss it and ignore it.
Go back to sleep. Nothing to see here.
It's always how it goes down by TPTB.
Lol.
Richard clarke:
former national-security aide Richard Clarke
The source of the explosive, unproved allegations is a man who once considered Tenet a close friend: former White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, who makes the charges against Tenet and the CIA in an interview for a radio documentary timed to the 10th anniversary next month.
Clarke says it is fair to conclude “there was a high-level decision in the CIA ordering people not to share information.” Asked who would have made the order, Clarke replies, “I would think it would have been made by the director,” referring to Tenet
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apogee
climber
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Aug 12, 2011 - 11:08pm PT
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 12, 2011 - 11:15pm PT
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Dick Clark hasn't come up with a winner since American Bandstand.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 12, 2011 - 11:32pm PT
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Aug 13, 2011 - 01:15am PT
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paging off-topic marmot...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 13, 2011 - 01:34am PT
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It would be more consistent with the Bush/Cheney et al modus operandi for them to be wilfully blind to a threat, but be careful to ensure that there was little to tie them directly to the negligence. Which seems to be pretty much what happened. They'd been warned that al Qaeda posed a high threat to the US, and that some sort of repeat attack was imminent. They disregarded the warnings - why wouldn't you, when you and your owners would probably benefit from an attack, that would allow you to further other agendas?
They probably didn't know exactly what would happen, or how dramatic it would be - that was a big plus. But they knew, or ought to have known, that something serious was likely to happen. I'm no fan of silly conspiracy theories, and perhaps they didn't actually know, in which case the question is whether they should have known.
Edit: Yes, this is of course just mental speculations.
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drunkenmaster
Social climber
santa rosa
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Aug 13, 2011 - 01:46am PT
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wait a minute - if the cia knew about the hijackers isnt that just a small part of the overall huge conspiracy that could/might/possibly have been behind this. i mean from all the conspiracy theories about this ive seen/heard it would be obvious that the cia would have known and a small part of the big scheme and barley worth mentioning. wasnt it either the cia or fbi that didnt show up for work at the office they had in the twin towers the day of the attack anyways? i dont trust anyone/anything but i want to and try to trust everyone/everything.
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drunkenmaster
Social climber
santa rosa
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Aug 13, 2011 - 01:47am PT
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did i say barley?? not barely. its time to drink :)
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 13, 2011 - 01:52am PT
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Which is pretty much what happened.
You weren't even there so you have no clue what happened and are just spreading disinformation according to the garbage you've been fed.
Obviously most of you are sheep that believe everything you read from the wolves disguised as truth ......
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WBraun
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Aug 13, 2011 - 01:54am PT
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They probably didn't know
Total mental speculation to fit your mental speculation.
Worthless ....
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 13, 2011 - 02:35am PT
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I heard a rumour that there was quite a lot of mental speculating at Camp 4 in the 1970s.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Aug 13, 2011 - 02:49am PT
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Aug 13, 2011 - 04:46am PT
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I'd speculate that those girls don't hate plastic; I'm sure they'd much prefer it to a cold metal speculumating.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2011 - 08:22pm PT
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"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
 J Edgar Hoover, 33 degree Scottish Rite, Grand Cross, FBI Director and Warren Commission
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Aug 13, 2011 - 08:28pm PT
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Yup, Klimmer and Werner are brillaint, and everyone else is "speculating." Good to know supertopo's residents kooks have got it all figured out.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Aug 17, 2011 - 03:15pm PT
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a cover-up of this magnitude would require the complete cooperation of thousands from around the world, including places not so friendly toward america, much less W
so, i'll accept clarke's claims (btw, does he have a book on the way?) because it proves bush is a genius: 1) to pull off this cover-up for 1 year, much less 10; 2) because he acquired information in just 8 months that clinton never acquired even after 8 years; 3) because his methods for dealing with terrorism were so effective that even barry hasn't been able to improve on them even with nearly 10 years to figure out how
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2011 - 01:34pm PT
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K-man already posted this but here is another copy on another progressive news site . . .
Did Tenet Hide Key 9/11 Info?
August 16, 2011
http://consortiumnews.com/2011/08/16/did-tenet-hide-key-911-info/
Exclusive: With few exceptions – like some salacious rumor about the Kennedy family – the mainstream U.S. news media has little interest in historical stories. Such was the case when an ex-White House terrorism official accused a former CIA director of withholding information that might have prevented a 9/11 attack, Ray McGovern reports.
By Ray McGovern
See link for the story . . .
Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. As a CIA analyst, he served under seven presidents and nine CIA directors; he is co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS). |
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Aug 19, 2011 - 01:41pm PT
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In the passed I've said some mean thing to klimmer.
BUT Richard Clarke is the real deal.
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Levy
Big Wall climber
So Cal
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Aug 19, 2011 - 01:42pm PT
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Richard Clarke is of the few sane voices in the Counter-terror field who told it like it is. He deserves much respect.
TFPU Klimmer.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 19, 2011 - 02:42pm PT
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a cover-up of this magnitude would require the complete cooperation of thousands from around the world, including places not so friendly toward america, much less W
bookworm
Wow bookie, you are so intuitive, your observations on this MUST be true.
Thanks for sharing.
Next time, though, don't let the facts get in your way.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Aug 20, 2011 - 06:41pm PT
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Aug 20, 2011 - 07:06pm PT
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Andreas von Bulow served on the parliamentary commission which oversees the three branches of the German secret service while a member of the Bundestag (German parliament) from 1969 to 1994, and wrote a book titled Im Namen des Staates (In the Name of the State) on the criminal activities of various secret services, including the CIA.
Von Bulow told AFP that he believes that the Israeli intelligence service, MOSSAD, was behind the September 11 terror attacks. These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against the Arabs, and boost military and security spending. "You don't get the higher echelons," von Bulow said, referring to the "architectural structure" which masterminds such terror attacks. At this level, he said, the organization doing the planning, such as MOSSAD, is primarily interested in affecting public opinion.
The architectural level planners use corrupt "guns for hire" such as Abu Nidal, the Palestinian terrorist who von B'low called "an instrument of Mossad,"
The evidence to support this view is considerable:
• In October 2000, approximately 11 months before 9/11, a retired Israeli Defense Forces(IDF) officer, and veteran of the Yom Kippur War(1973), was collecting English Ivy Cuttings at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery located at Mccellan and 245 Mount Olive Avenue, which is near the city lines of Elizabeth and Newark, New Jersey. The Gomel Chesed Cemetary is a Jewish cemetary.The man overheard a couple of people having what he believed to be a conversation spoken in Hebrew, which drew his attention. He hid behind an 8-foot tall retaining wall and listened in to their conversation as they stood below. Shortly after a Lincoln town car approached the two people — presumably Israelis — and the man in the backseat got out to greet them. After normal niceties were exchanged the third man said:“The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the twins in September.”One of the men that had been leaning against the retaining wall expressed concerns regarding whether the upcoming presidential election (November 2000) could impact the plans. The man that arrived in the Town Car pacified the doubts by saying:“Don’t worry, we have people in high places and no matter who gets elected, they will take care of everything.”The observer who overheard this conversation related it to the FBI on numerous occasions only to be ignored each time. Nothing was done about it, and no investigation into the incident has ever took place.
• A group of five Israelis were observed by multiple witnesses, videoing the 9/11 attacks and “high-fiving” each other for a “job well done.”
• The FBI arrested about 70 Israelis after 9/11 who seemed “somehow connected to the attacks.” Michael Chertoff, FBI head and Israeli Sympathizer (His family is mostly from there.) got them released.
• Most of these men worked for URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS, a MOSSAD front organization. A lone American employee of UBS reported that the entire Israeli contingent celebrated the 9/11 attacks
• Some of the released Israelis, after getting back home admitted on talk shows that they had been sent over to “document the event.”
• Several firemen reported feeling huge explosions in the Twin Towers 7-8 minutes before the planes struck. Also, one of the last firemen out, Rodriguez said that the remaining firemen said the fires were small, scattered and easily controlled.
• There is evidence that prior to 9/11 there was a lot of activity in the basement and utility areas.
• ZIM, an Israeli company, vacated its office(10,000 square feet) in the North WTC tower a week before 9/11, breaking its lease. 49% of this company is owned by the Israeli government. The lease ran till the end of 2001, and the company lost $50,000 by breaking the lease. Later, FBI agent Michael Dick, who was investigating Israeli spying before and after 9/11 and looking into the suspicious move, was removed from his duties by the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, Michael Chertoff.
• MOSSAD agents rented the Apt. adjacent to the hijackers in FL
• Seven of the so called hijackers are still alive, having been victims of identity theft in multiple countries. Many intelligence experts believe that it would require an Intel Service backed by a sovereign state to do that.
There is far more evidence than this, but I don’t want to take up too much space on SUPERTOPO
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Aug 20, 2011 - 07:39pm PT
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What troubles me is Clarke's very first complaint, at
the time of 9/11, when he said he had given warning
after warning to the white house about possible
terrorist plane hijackings, and the immediate aspect
of his warnings, but how those warnings were simply
pushed aside. He was, naturally, appalled by the inaction.
All his comments, though shared with the public
after the fact, had a strong ring of genuine alarm and
concern.
That he has had further reflection and perhaps new
conclusions, well, would anyone be surprised that he
has remained troubled all these years. And
aren't they are worth listening to? He is and
was a very intelligent man, and I've never heard him
speak when I was not impressed with his lucidity and
knowledge. It might all boil down, though, to the fact
that Bush didn't really believe such a thing could happen
and simply dismissed it, effectively negating the role of one
of his most important watchmen...
That kind of incompetence was perfectly within the scope of
Mr. "W."
If he was part of some deeper conspiracy, what would be
called real evidence is just not there, even reviewing the
long list in the post above. Not one of those points proves
much and could have other explanations... I wish we could get
some "real" evidence, some proof of the things people alledge...
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Aug 20, 2011 - 10:13pm PT
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Thanks Klimmer for posting up. It seems like there is growing momentum for real investigations.
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