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todd-gordon
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 14, 2006 - 01:16am PT
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Tucker lived and climbed in the Valley for over a decade. I see him quite often in Joshua Tree now a days. Can anyone post any good stories, quotes, fables , or down right lies about Tucker Tech?
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Feb 14, 2006 - 01:37am PT
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The Deli has never been the same since he left.
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Feb 14, 2006 - 01:46am PT
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American legend.
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wildone
climber
right near the beach, boyeee (lord have mercy)
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Feb 14, 2006 - 01:52am PT
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Cinematic master usher.
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James
Social climber
My Subconcious
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Feb 14, 2006 - 02:11am PT
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I played chess with the infamous Tech a few years ago at the Gordon Ranch. After schooling me with some fancy rook moves he appraised Coiler's coin collection. The next time I saw him he was building the Great Wall of Yosemite West. Tucker is an impressive fellow.
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2006 - 02:29am PT
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Tucker still climbs with a swami belt with no leg loops......" You only need leg loops if you are hanging on the rope.".......
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2006 - 02:42am PT
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A few years ago, I was climbing with Tucker and he knocked a rock off and it hit me on the leg. I told im that I just got hit by a rock and that my leg was bleeding;.... his reply?...."Cool!"......
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Feb 14, 2006 - 07:04am PT
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I consider Tucker to be one of my best friends. Good guy. A few weeks ago we were working on a job together and I noticed something very screwed up done by a previous worker and yelled "WHAT THE F#CK IS THIS?". Tucker yells across the house "Zip up your pants and get back to work!".
Classic.
Robert
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todd-gordon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2006 - 10:20am PT
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Tucker's take on relationships...." All relationships begin with lies and end with the truth."......Happy Valentine's Day!
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Karen
Trad climber
Good question?
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Feb 14, 2006 - 11:40am PT
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Todd, I love that relationship quote from Tucker-so true!!!!
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Rhodo-Router
Trad climber
Otto, NC
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Feb 14, 2006 - 12:06pm PT
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Wow, that about sums it up.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
This ain't Tijuana
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Feb 14, 2006 - 12:56pm PT
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Seprated at Birth:
Tucker and Salman Rushdie
That and I hear he has some aromatic feet.
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todd-gordon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2006 - 08:10pm PT
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Salmon Rushdie bathes... Tucker doe not......once Tucker's feet looked so grubby, I had to ask..." When is the last time you took a shower?"....this was probably in Mid-February......Tucker thought a moment ... and replied..."
Dec. 31, for the New Year's Eve Party."......THAT is impressive....
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addiroid
Big Wall climber
Long Beach, CA
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Feb 14, 2006 - 08:21pm PT
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In my days of weekends at the Gordon Ranch about 3-4 years ago, I remember hanging out with Tucker and talking with him and Tom Burke. One day I brought my fiance climbing and we went by to say hi. Tucker and Tom predicted that we would break up. Well we did about 1 year later. So I would have to say Tucker is clearbouyant.
And then about 2 years ago, I saw him at his (then and/or now) girlfriend's house a few blocks from Todd's house. He had showered and cut his hair a bit. Man, he looked like a whole different person.
But what I remember most about him is that he is a very kind heart and always has something funny to say.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
on a rock or mountain out west
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Feb 14, 2006 - 08:30pm PT
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A couple weeks back when we were climbing, Tucker got out his shoes to start up a new route Todd had scoped. I have seen a lot of really ratted out climbing shoes before, but these....you could see his toes through the rubber on both pairs, and the ball of the feet area was so onion peeled it looked like the face of Half Dome.
Yet he gets on route and floats it like it's nothing. He took a 10c variation up it.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Feb 14, 2006 - 09:19pm PT
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Must be my eyes, but that pic makes it look like Tucker is growing Man-boobs.
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Feb 14, 2006 - 09:28pm PT
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Even if he is, I bet he floats up sh#t a lot of us can't touch.
Watching him climb in what one would call less than stellar shape was an eye opener into the world of "technique".
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sandsnow
Social climber
SoCal
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Feb 14, 2006 - 09:42pm PT
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Tucker's garden is second to none. People pay serious bucks to get landscaping like that. He's got the latest wall finished. What an awsome structure. The great wall of JT Highlands. I can't wait to see what the next project is.
Larry
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jt
Trad climber
joshua tree, ca
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Feb 14, 2006 - 10:19pm PT
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Myself, Walt, and The Deli Lama were sitting at Degnan's eating, drinking, and telling lies. Some Euro sits down at the table next to us and has a plate full of food and what appears to be 1/2 a chicken. The Euro gets up and goes back in to the deli to get something, and Tucker immediately attacks the chicken. He is standing over this guys table and takes a couple bites. Walt tells Tucker that he thinks the dude is coming back. Tucker throws the chicken back down on the plate with enough force to launch all of the side dishes up in to the air. Most of the food lands back on his plate. Tucker sits back down at our table. The Euro comes back, looks at his food, looks around, and then sits down and finishes his meal. Both Tucker and Walt are sitting there with no expressions on their faces, like it was just another day on the beach. I don't know how i contained my laughter, but i did. After the Euro left, Walt told Tucker that he should show a little class. Tucker just gave Walt the silent stare and smirk. What i thought was really funny is the fact that Walt was wearing these short nylon shorts, and the whole time we were sitting there his tackle was hanging out of the front of them. A classic moment with two classy guys.
zip
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2006 - 10:50pm PT
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Outside of the hospital Tucker was born in, he says he's been to the hospital twice.... both times without his permission. The first time, he was bouldering at the beach in San Fran area, when a hold broke and he feel, hit some rocks, and then fell into the ocean;.... when he was pulled out of the water, he was unconcious and I believe he wasn't breathing. He was taken to the hospital and revived. The second time, he was hit by a car in his road bike days;... he had a bad head injury and his teeth went through his lips....he was again taken to the hospital, stitched up and revived. The story of him falling soloing , with his ear almost ripped off, and then he just pressed it back on and it grew back;...I asked him if this was true , and he smiled and said yes.
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poop*ghost
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 14, 2006 - 11:06pm PT
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jt - thanks for the story... it's certainly making me laugh!
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Ammon
Big Wall climber
El Cap
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Feb 14, 2006 - 11:14pm PT
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Tucker has the will to literally move the earth. I’ve witnessed his strength in his earth moving. VERY Impressive. I’ve also seen men crumble after what he does in an hour. Seriously.
I think he might be that guy who has roamed the earth for thousands of years.
[edit] Nice, great stories... keep 'em coming
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WBraun
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Feb 14, 2006 - 11:14pm PT
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jt, LOL ..... now that was a great story.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 14, 2006 - 11:52pm PT
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Tucker Tech one tough mofcker
There are too many stories from the legend, but I’ll give one example. He never really had much money and then one day he decides to go on a Trans sierra ski trip with Dan McDevitt. I see Tucker at the mountain shop and he’s buying some 30 or 40 something tiger’s milk energy bars. I ask him what he’s doing buying all these bars.
He tells me about the trip he’s going to take. I ask him “Is that all you’re taking for food?” “Yes Werner, I’ll be all right” he replies. Wow!
I tell Dan about it and he laughs and tells me Tucker will probably run out of food and ask for and eat mine.
They got caught in a big snow storm and had to spend some days waiting it out. Tuckers boots were the sh_it off course so he froze his feet. Their food ran low/out.
Dan ran out of food before Tucker and had to ask him for a tigers milk bar.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 15, 2006 - 12:51am PT
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from what I have heard, addroid's malappropism is probably the closest: "Tucker is clearbouyant"
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2006 - 03:38am PT
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Here's a fun day at the crags with Tucker......Yo go to pic him up;... he's NEVER ready to leave.... you have to wait while he leasurely finishes his current beer and smoke. Then you drive to the crags..... after you get out of the car, Tucker's stink is still in the car.....(It goes away in a few days...)....Then YOU start hiking... but Tucker is still in the parking lot... "having one more beer and smoke."......so you walk out in the wilderness, alone with no one to chat with while you hike to your climbing crag destination....(No big dea, really...) After awhile, Tucker has caught up with you because he hikes as fast as a demon from hell, but he doesn't stop to join you in conversation, but rather passes you by.....(Here's where you get to smell him again...).... At the crags, I usually lead our projects because Tucker needs TWO hands...(You guessed it.....One for the beer, one for the cig, right?)....While you are climbing, Tucker's belay hand could be anywhere......(Is it on the rope, the beer, rolling a smoke, smoking a smoke, or holding his weenie while he pees, which he does every 5 min. or so because he probably had 5 beers BEFORE you even picked him up to go climbing...?).... then while you are climbing, Tucker either doesn't say a word to you, or he belittles you for going to slow, not being a good climber, not running it out, or being too old, having a bald head, having children, having a life,... whatever.... After you have finished your AWESOME project, new route, or heroic lead, you ask Tucker how he liked the climb....(which, by the way, he floated in record time...). .... he say's " It's a steaming pile of sh#t.".....Then he'll belch and/or fart, finish his beer and cig, shoulder his back, and start walking back to the car at full speed....without saying another word........(This is what I do EVERY Saturday......sheeeesh...)... Care to join us?
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Feb 15, 2006 - 04:59pm PT
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Back in the days of Old E and Natty Ice, Towards the end of the climbing day, Tucker would get a tiny bit tipsy after 15 or so tall boys, so , just to be on the safe side, I would ask Tucker if he was buckled back on his harness and tied in correctly before he would climb. He would reply, "No, I'm not."....then, without checking, he would start to climb.
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elcap-pics
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Crestline CA
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Feb 15, 2006 - 05:32pm PT
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Ok... it's August of 89 and I have a week before I have to go back to teaching high school... so I come to the valley and hook up with Tucker to do the Muir Wall with the Freeblast start as neither of us wants to do the lower part of the route with all that slabby aid (back then at least). So we go up planning on 4 days and take a total of 4 gallons of water as we both like to travel as light as possible, especially since I am, if nothing else, a true light weight climber. Anyway, Tucker leads almost everything, as he is miles faster than I am on the free climbing and the aid too. The middle of day two finds him leading the pitch that goes up to the traverse, where the Shield goes left and the Muir right. I yell up(he is leading) to be sure the stop at the corner before the traverse as I want to lead that next section... so I notice that the haul line is moving to the right more than it should if he was going to stop at the belay... I yell up that here isn't enough rope to make the next stance as I had done the 3D a few years before and remembered that section. He muttered something about having soloed it before and he knew what he was doing....It's really windy there at the very corner of the whole buttress and soon it is futile to even try to communicate. Finally after quite a while the haul line starts going up with determination so I cut the bag loose and clean the pitch. Sure enough he has stretched the pitch to make the next belay. So I come across the traverse and lower out and jug up to a little stance some 20 feet below him and find that the end of the lead line is anchored to a couple of shitty TCU's behind this dinky flake that could depart the face at any moment!!! Tucker is sitting at the belay with the haul bag and the haul line. I take a good look at the TCU's and start to complain about him leaving me anchored to that shitty belay while I cleaned that whole pitch with no idea of what he had done... after I ranted at him for a while he tossed me the haul line and I jugged up to the belay. Well I ranted some more at the lad while he just looked at me with that dead-pan Tucker look, seemingly (and actually!) bored with the whole conversation. The "conversation", a monolog on my part, ended when he said, "Well... they didn't come out did they?" We finished the climb in the alotted time and I went home to teach school.
Tom Evans
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Russ Walling
Social climber
This ain't Tijuana
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Feb 15, 2006 - 05:40pm PT
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Over the years, there is nothing about Tucker that you could not fix with about 4 beers and a power washer.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Feb 15, 2006 - 06:01pm PT
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My 20 month old son Beck calls Tucker "Nana"....(that's disturbing...)
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sandsnow
Social climber
SoCal
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Feb 15, 2006 - 09:28pm PT
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Now Todd
You should know this. I do and I've only been out a few times with you guys.
The Last beer before you leave in the morning are "see you later beers."
Then there's the "parking lot beers"
When beers are in the pack, it's a golf bag. Par 6(pack) or Par 12(pack) Wait, maybe that's Burke?
Larry
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Feb 15, 2006 - 09:43pm PT
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"Now Todd
You should know this. I do and I've only been out a few times with you guys.
The Last beer before you leave in the morning are "see you later beers."
Then there's the "parking lot beers"
When beers are in the pack, it's a golf bag. Par 6(pack) or Par 12(pack) Wait, maybe that's Burke?
Larry"
Larry, larry, laaarrrryyyy.... No Larry, the "golf" reference is when Burke, Tuker and I are using the "golf" cart to cruise to our next set of routes. The see ya later beers are all encompassing. There is no "morning" to it.
This is why we are so protective of the board room table.. Don't mess with the board members.
Robert
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Scott Cole
Trad climber
Jackson, WY^
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Feb 15, 2006 - 10:14pm PT
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Anyone remember when Peter Chesko put the dead trout under the hood of his van, in the camp 4 parking lot, where it stayed for the next six months?
Scott
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Mary Prankster
Social climber
Bumphuque, Eqypt
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Feb 15, 2006 - 10:24pm PT
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I remember I would often see Tucker at the deli wearing shorts and sandals. His feet and legs would be black from dirt. One day he bragged to anyone who would listen about how 2 or 3 of his teeth were rotten down to the gums and then would open his mouth to demonstrate --- ah, now that's entertainment.
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WBraun
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Feb 16, 2006 - 02:10am PT
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Hey Scott
How are ya? Then there was that blow up doll on the front of his bread truck and those funny porn cartoons on the side panels.
Man it was so bad, hahaha, then Galen Rowell took a picture of poor Tuckers rig and put it in Audubon magazine with the captions something like "What's Yosemite coming too?".
After the Cheif saw that it was "Tucker Tech get that truck out of Yosemite" LOL
I gotta hand it to Tucker, he is an American classic.
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2006 - 02:42am PT
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I do believe Tucker has done the most different climbs in Yo Valley (1,100) AND at Joshua Tree (Over 5,000).....As you can imagine, all that climbing can make one very thirsty.....("Who needs water or food.... beer has lots of water, and hops and barley too....")
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todd-gordon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2006 - 02:48am PT
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I once asked Tucker how many times he's taken acid.... He replied..." Ahhhhhhhh.......ahhh.....hmmmmmmmmm.....ahhhhh..duhhhh..ahhhhh.."...(just kiddin'...)....(Around 200, give or take a hundred.....).... As you can imagine.... all that acid can make one thirsty..........("Climbing is great, because it takes you to different beautiful areas in nature to drink beer at...").....maybe that's why he's almost impossible to beat at Scrabble or chess?......
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WBraun
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Feb 16, 2006 - 02:54am PT
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He was always wearing those Birkenstock sandals even on 5th class free solo approaches. His feet skating out from under him and still not giving a hoot.
Once he showed up on top of the Column in those Birkenstock during a search. He scrambled up some hideous sh_it to get there in those sandals. I think it was Dill (not sure), one day, finally told him he can't wear those things on "Official Business" anymore.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Feb 16, 2006 - 06:03pm PT
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About 2 years ago....I recieved a phone call....." Tucker is hurt bad; come over quick.'.....I race over, and Tucker is lying on his kitchen floor, in a pool of blood. His yellow shirt, is showing NO yellow, as it is completely soaked in blood. He smiles, and says it's not bad, but that head wounds "bleed alot.' After an hour or so, and with many compresses, it's still bubbling and squirting blood. Tucker gets up and tries to clean up in the bathroom, but gives up when he realizes that he's loosing blood faster than he can clean it up. The bathroom looks like the Psycho shower scene, or Texas Chain-saw massacre. I finally say that I am going to fetch a doctor and Tucker, almost seemingly afraid of doctors, argues strongly against it. I say, O K, just let me take a peek at the wound. We remove the compresses, and blood is still spouting out;... through the matted hair and quarts of red, his lid looks caved in to me. I say, "That's it.... I'm going to get a doctor.".....Tucker argues some more.... but I don't give in. "Fah-Q, you don't know what you are talking about... have you been to medical school?'........So I storm out of the place, and go fetch a doctor...(well....a veterinarian was all could come up with at the hour....but hey.....a doc is a doc... medical school is medical school...and humans are animals, right?)..........The doc says..."he'll be fin in a week or so."....The Doc wrapped his head 3 or 4 times in a turbine.'.....The next few days, I saw Tucker, poking around in his garden, hair unwashed, and dry blood on his head like strips of beef jerky.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
on a rock or mountain out west
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Feb 16, 2006 - 09:06pm PT
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Heh, nice Todd!! Yeah, Tucker hates doctors. Dentists even more I think. He told me he hadn't seen a dentist in at least 19 years, and the last time he did I think he was forced into it somehow, or unconcious. Almost felt vicitmized by dental work.
But hey, he stuck his bleeding unattached ear back on and let the dried blood mend it back in place...and he still has the ear so who am I to question his distaste of medical attention.
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noshoesnoshirt
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deskville
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Feb 16, 2006 - 09:12pm PT
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I once saw him scissor kick Angela Lansbury.
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2006 - 01:57am PT
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On one occasion, we were working on a new route....I was up drilling, and broke a bit. Tucker asked if I had a spare bit, and this time I replied No......" Fuking Dumbsh#t." was all he said,......he finished his beer and smoke, packed his pack, and started off for the car......
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Ammon
Big Wall climber
El Cap
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Feb 17, 2006 - 02:01am PT
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Todd, great stories... keep 'em coming. Let's see some dirt bag photos of you guys back in the day. OOOaahhh!!!
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2006 - 02:47am PT
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I drop stuff on Tucker, but always seem to miss.......My piton hammer leash wore apart, and I dropped a hammer on Tucker, I've dropped dozens of pins, dumped my bolt bag upside down and almost got him with a very sharp handrill, ...I've knocked hundreds of pounds of rock upon him, and once, while nailing behind a very large block, we heard a very loud BANG.....the block stayed, for if it came off , it would have squashed him like a tick......a few weeks later, we went back, and the block had indeed came off and was now gone.....must have weighed a few tons. I almost clocked him with a very heavy battery pack from an electric drill (That one was funny...).....and I've drop cams and biners on him on a regular basis......One day I hope to hit pay-dirt (literally), and see if I can do some damage. Every time I drop something on him, I either wake him up, spill his beer, or make him lose his lighter, so I do get SOME satisfaction from that.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 17, 2006 - 03:09am PT
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Todd
Next time you see Tucker ask him the about the story when he rode his bike into the backhoe bucket comming back from the mountain room bar one night.
Just about took half his face off on that hit. It was real nasty.
Some fool from the construction company left the backhoe bucket hanging right in the path going back to camp. Of course none of us back then hardly ever used a headlamp to get around the valley floor at night.
We ate a lot of carrots so we had good night vision.
Now everyone is a weenie, they all need those little white LED headlamps.
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kevin Fosburg
Sport climber
park city,ut
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Feb 17, 2006 - 10:32am PT
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I was looking for a partner to do Goldfinger down by Arch Rock. Tucker was willing as long as we could do Juliette's Flake as a finish since he had yet to tick that formation. We got a not so early start and the hard climbing down low was time consuming but we sent it. I remember that at one point Tucker trundled a refrigerator size block on the lead without saying a word. By the time we rapped back to the base it was dark so without headlamps (Werner had yet to invent those tiny LED ones) we groped back to the car through acres of poison oak. The next day I saw Tucker and noted that he had not showered. Well, we both developed wicked cases of poison oak but Tucker's was beyond belief- knowledgeable folks said he should have been hospitalized. He stoically endured it without complaint.
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todd-gordon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2006 - 11:24am PT
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A few years back, Tucker and I were working on a 2 pitch new route.....hand drilling on the lead on-site of course,....and we were on day 2 or 3 of this particular project;....I wasn't well.... had the flu or something, but usually go climbing anyways...(got to be sick somewhere... might as well be at the crags...)....I was up on the lead, and had drilled only 2 or 3 bolts, but was going very slow and felt very weak...I didn't think I could continue and drill anymore that day. Then I had to take a dump, so I had to lower anyways. I asked Tucker to lower me, and told him that I was ill, had to moan the pipes, and that I sorta wanted to bail for the day......he went off, and in a louder than usual voice.... called me a pussy, said I had only drilled 2 or three bolts, said that I shouldn't even be warmed up until I had drilled at least 5, and to get my ass back up there and finish the route,....NOW!!!.......I pooped, tied back in , and sheepishly went back up and drilled at least 8 that day. Tucker didn't say much more, after I went back up. The route turned out to be an awesome climb......2 pitch 5.10 climb in the So. Wonderland....one of our favorites.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
This ain't Tijuana
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Feb 17, 2006 - 12:30pm PT
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Werner.... hahaha! I remember that backhoe incident.... Tucker was jacked up on that one man! His mug was beat up something fierce! didn't he get knocked out too? I remember him saying he woke up in the drainage covered in blood and didn't know what happened. I saw him in the morning..... OUCH!!
Here's one:
Werner will on occasion get a bit fussy with us young-uns... so in the Camp 4 lot one day I guess Werner was tired of looking at the sprawling Tucker dump that was next to the milk wagon. It was a mix of old bikes, trash, and who knows what. Tucker is bent over and rummaging around in the giant pile and Werner kicks him square in the ass and says "pick this sh#t up..." Tucker, of course, said nothing and picked up nothing and it sat that way for about 2 more years!!
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todd-gordon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2006 - 02:06pm PT
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Dogs and cats love Tucker because he is so stinky.....my dog Toby slept with Tucker for a year or two....both are quite stinky. He feet get so dirty that they almost look like they belong to a corpse ,a mummy, or a 3rd world sherpa or porter.
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todd-gordon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 18, 2006 - 02:44am PT
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I have heard that he soloed an El Cap route, came down, got more food and booze, and went back up again to solo anothe El Cap route, WITHOUT TAKING A SHOWER IN BETWEEN......THAT is taking stinkiness to a new level......THAT is varsity STINKINESS.....professional grubber. Gold medal effort in skank.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Feb 18, 2006 - 11:28am PT
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Two photo requests:
Tucker told me that when he worked for the stage theatre in Yosemite, he was not a park employee, and hence not entitled to employee housing. Accordingly, he lived in a cave somewhere near the base of the Sentinel. For four years! Many a night I bid him adieu from the Mountain Room and watched him disappear south into the night.
Does anyone have a photo of his cave digs? I would love to see it!
Also, I would dearly love to see a photo of Tucker sitting outside the deli, surrounded by a dozen or more toppled cans of Olde English. The cans made the most melodious jangling sound when he knocked them flying. For years, you could always depend on finding Tucker outside the deli in the late afternoon.
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todd-gordon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 18, 2006 - 01:37pm PT
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Tucker once rode his mountain bike from Yosemite to Joshua Tree....carrying all his clothes, food, AND CLIMBING GEAR for the season........that's bad ass.....I go bike touring, but I go learn...even cut my pens and toothbrushe in half to save weight.........(A climbing rack, rope, sleeping bag, clothes, food....etc....too much..).......
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WBraun
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Feb 18, 2006 - 01:41pm PT
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Tucker Tech, the only real dirtbag I've ever known.
That DMT dirtbag thread here on ST is all bullsh#t. Non of them are dirtbags!
Tucker Tech is the defacto standard of what a real climbing dirtbag is!
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Feb 18, 2006 - 01:42pm PT
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I remember that Todd. He rolled in to Josh on one of the first mtn. bikes I had ever seen. I think Dave Tapes had the first one.
He rode down 395 and if I remember right, he said it was a bit of an epic.
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 18, 2006 - 01:46pm PT
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I drove over to Tucker's house this morning at about 8:00 A.M.....I needed him to help me pick up my car at Gary's Tires in Joshua Tree and drive it home for me.....He said sorry but he couldn't help me......he was sittin in a chair, already surrounded by empy beer cans, and already past the legal limit.......(And Robert had YET to show up for their morning beers together........the day had even OFFICIALLY started...)......Living in the desert , you can easily work up a real thirst.....yes you can......
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 18, 2006 - 06:40pm PT
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Tucker is light ....I went over to go climbing with him this morning, and he said no thanks... it's too cold.....sissy-boy....yeah.. it was alittle cold and the wind was blowing... but today is a climbing day... c'mon... put on a jacket....maybe that layer of dirt will keep you warm too.....I thought you were tough guy......fair-weather Tech.......might as well move to Orange County and hang out at a Starbucks in Irvine or Newport Beach...........
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kevin Fosburg
Sport climber
park city,ut
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Feb 18, 2006 - 07:59pm PT
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Here's an atypical Tucker story.
Wintertime late 80's Tucker recruited me to belay him on a new route in the Lower Falls area. The salient feature of his project was a flake in the middle of some typical valley slab climbing. He latches the flake and is so psyched to discover that it's way loose he declares, "This is the greatest route in the valley!". Absolute un-stoic exuberance and delight.
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 18, 2006 - 08:45pm PT
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Tucker does not own a car because there is only a 1 hour period each day when he could legally drive.....that's the time from when he wake up and starts throwing beer down his neck, to when the beer gets in his blood stream.
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 18, 2006 - 08:51pm PT
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Tucker used to work lights and sound effects for the John Muir show in Yosemite Village. I asked him if he ever showed up for work a bit intoxicated from the hops/barely combo......he said , " Everyday."
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 18, 2006 - 09:04pm PT
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I've been on a few Canyonlands trips to Utah with Tucker. I can honestly say, he loves it there.....lots of horrible loose rock , difficult/scary climbing, and plenty of dirt.......(but that Utah weak beer sux......last time the 5 cases of Natural Ice only lasted 4 or 5 days......).....Canyonlands for Tucker is the pig in the hog's trough...He can climb almost anything there too.....I saw Tucker and Tom Burke in the parking lot of the Fishers.....they had already done a couple smaller Towers that day, , about 40 beers, hadn't bathed in weeks, and were headed out for a late start on Ancient Arts.......Yuppie climbers from Denver would get out of their Saabs or SUVs, take a look at them, and almost start crying......they went up on the Ancient Arts, quickly caught up to a slower party, sat at a belay until they ran out of beer, and then rapped down, and ran back to the car for more booze.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 18, 2006 - 10:13pm PT
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Todd
Tucker is an alcoholic, time you worked on him to save him from himself.
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2006 - 12:45am PT
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Werner; you know Tucker as well as I do......and he's a stubborn jackass who doesn't listen to anyone....there is no question that he is an alcoholic.......(The first step to recovery is admitting it?...could you see him going to an A A meeting???))......yeah... about 4 years ago, I was convinced that his liver would soon be the size of a football, and that I would be carrying a corner of his casket before too long. (remember; the Liver is evil and must be punished...) ON THE PLUS SIDE........1) Tucker has switched from Malt Liqour to LIGHT BEER!!!!!!!( This move will save his life...I believe) 2) Tucker has seriously cut back on his smoking cigarettes......even gone without for lengths of time.......THIS is a very good thing. 3) Tucker is no longer a jaded, bitter, mean-ass sarcastic negative drunk.......He's mellowed so much in the last 5 years, and is actually fairly happy, upbeat, psyched, positive, fun, and pleasant (most of the time...). 4) He actually wants to live past 50.....which , in the past, I don't think he really gave a sh#t....5) He has a sweet kind, loving girl-friend that thinks the world of him, and he actually loves her too (ahhhhhh.aint' that sweet????.....don't make me puke....)....so He has alot to live for, and alot of people who care alot about him. 6) He doesn't have sh#t-all for family outside his brother Steve... who he really enjoys seeing and remaining on earth a bit longer to hang out with. 7) Tucker does Herculean amounts of physical manual labor and still climbs alot., which compensates alot for his alcohol abuse. 8) I think he has very good, strong pit-bull -like genetics that makes him stronger and more durable than most 9) If he abuses himself into obliteration, he won't be able to go new-routing with me on Saturdays, which both of us would miss terribly......he's been almost the best climbing partner I could ever ask for.....even when drunk, he's the sharpest belayer on the planet, he's patient, psyched, and pretty much loves all the climbs we do...(and we do some stinky ones too...)..Tucker is probably my best friend, (which is wierd because I bathe daily, don't drink or smoke...). he's a master climber, and an expert..and, what's more, a damn good honest/real friend to me.....so.......yeah; he's a stinky-ass drunk;... BUT....I do believe he's got some plan to keep the Tucker machine running for a few more decades.... I hope so.......(and so do all his friends...).......Alcoholism is strong juju.....and he's well aware of it.... it's a demon and a friend... which makes the situation all that more difficult......the jackass is on some path, and..... for now....he's hanging in there, stumbling through life is a fairly blissful state of being.....(Which makes him the envy of those who struggle with many of lifes challenges/delights/blessings....)...I know I make fun of his drinking, and ride him hard about his strange way he has chosen to live.... that's enjoyable for me, and he knows i'm just kiddin'......(or am I?)
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 19, 2006 - 12:57am PT
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You are a really good soul Todd.
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whattimeisit
climber
Moab
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Feb 19, 2006 - 02:54am PT
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Living at the Gordon Ranch for a few months the last year before you got married was one of the best times I had.
Tucker was always up before me with a few empty natty ice's and one full one by his side.
I went new routing with him a couple of times.One route we put up with Linus we called Tucker's Tavern because he had humped up an 18 pack which he shared with us.
The other time with Lori B we hiked out to Queen Mountain. Tucker led this chossy crack system and lowered back down.
He said it was 10b. I was TRing it with a hip belay from Tucker.
I was having a hard time at the crux. I told Tucker to watch me and then fell. When I got down I told him that there was no way that it was 10b and he said that it had to be because he couldn't climb harder than 10b. Efin' sandbagger ha ha.
Thanks Todd
Larry
By the way, the whole time I was there I never once saw him drink water.
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Dapper Dan
climber
an 89' honda accord
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Feb 19, 2006 - 03:43am PT
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beer has water in it (stupid) ....
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2006 - 10:16am PT
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One day while I was on one of my 5 hour leads, Tucker and Tom Burke were dowe below, ....gettin' a gut full of suds and having a smoke.....they started to talk about books... then about Russian authors......now; how long can you talk about Russian authors?......me personally, .....about 1 second, for I have not read any Russian authors.....(except maybe A day in the Life......something like that when I was in High School?).....anyways....these guys went on about Russian authors, various books they had read by Russian authors, the pros and cons of these Russian authors, which are best for this and that....discussing, arguing (they're favorite thing to do is disagree on ALL subjects...)... I found it very facinating and was fairly amazed at how well read both of these Rummys are.....needless to say, all that talk about Russian authors made them more and more thirsty................
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2006 - 10:37am PT
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Here's one of my favorite beer stories regarding Tucker and Burke.......The decided that they wanted to do Epenephrine (5.9 IV , anywhere from 11-17 pitches in Red Rocks, Black Velvet Canyon).... upon making their decision to do this climb, they then started to celebrate.....with a couple of 12 packs of beer....they wanted to leave with plenty of time to drive to Vegas, but as the sun started to set, they were still at Tucker's house "preparing" for the journey.........finally late in the evening, they drove the back way to Vegas, through Amboy and Kelso, and at about midnight, they decided to camp at Granite Mountain pass (near Kelso Dunes).....of course, as soon as they got there, they had to have a few B's before they went to bed.........about 4 hours later, they are up, slammed a few beers for the road, and drove the rest of they way to Vegas early that morning......upon arriving in the parking lot of Black Velvet, they were very happy and excited to finally be staged for their climb.....they rack up, drink 2 more beers each, and bring with them for supplies on the climb.......NO FOOD, NO WATER, climbing gear and a rope, a few beers for the base, and 5 beers each for the climb......THe approach goes quickly, and they are soon at the base. The guzzle their 2 beers at the base and start up the climb. I believe the weather was quite warm and they soon run out of beer (5 each?... c'mon....that's not enough for a mouse...).....They suffer from lack of beer (Poor planning on their part...), but endure,and pretty much send the climb, and hussle back to the car to quench their thirst......VICTORY BEERS!!!!!!!, then the 3 hour drive back to Joshua Tree, and before you know it, they are home, sitting at Tuckers house.........DRINKING BEERS and telling me how cool the climb was!!!!!!!!!(Who says beer and climbing don't mix??)...and they wouldn't have done it any other way......
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Jerry Dodrill
climber
Bodega, CA
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Feb 19, 2006 - 05:43pm PT
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Was 1992, I'm walking along base of GP apron when I hear a wierd metal sound from above. A couple beer cans come tumbling down from a party two pitches up some blank face. Shortly after they rapped down. I'd never met him, but had heard. "You must be Tucker?" I ask. It was.
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kevin Fosburg
Sport climber
park city,ut
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Feb 19, 2006 - 09:08pm PT
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Once when I was soloing the regular route on Fairview some guys I passed said something like, "you must be Tucker Tech". I wasn't super choked.
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2006 - 03:06am PT
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I once watched Tucker play Scrabble with other players for close to 20 hours straight....I don't believe he lost a game that day either........I hear someone bragging once "I cant find anyone to play chess with...I win every game I play." I invited them over to play Tucker......Tucker whooped his ass 2 out of three games.....
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2006 - 06:05am PT
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Yep, this is just the sort of down in the dirt history that makes ST so worthwhile. I know there is a branch of this sport trying to get into the Olympics, but I personally have way more respect for the fact we value the opposite end of fame and glory and memorialize the dirtbags and various and sundry maniacs that have contributed to such a long and colorful heritage...
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todd-gordon
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2006 - 01:19pm PT
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Many years ago, I was doing a new route out in the Wonderland. I had climbed up a crack and was up on a face, putting in a couple of bolts (On the lead, with the hand drill, of course)....Tucker, whom I had met only a few times before, came strolling up to where we were. He was filty, all by himself, and was out soloing routes because he didn't have a partner that day. He was barefoot, and his feet looked like blackish-red rhino skin. He sat around while I finished the route, dranks some of his beers, got a top rope on the new route (sent it with ease), and took off without saying much at all. We named the climb "Let's Fuk the Crackwhore " (5.10) . He was pleased with the climb and the climb's name. That was probably one of the first times I went climbing with Tucker.
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Hangerlessbolt
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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Dug these photos up after doing an online search of Tucker, whom I’d met through Robert Fonda (who is a piece of work in and of himself. ha ha! j/k rlf) on my most recent trip to JT.
I figured anyone as unique as he, would have quite a bit of literature (albiet via the www) written about him.
I’ve met a lot of colorful characters in my life, but I’ve never met anyone who remotely resembled Tucker.
In fact, the closest I could figure took at least five people; my uncle Tommy (my dearly departed daddy’s incredibly alcoholic brother, “Trashcan” Rick (a very stoic homeless guy I met from Dallas, who I’m not too sure realized he was homeless), Eric (a friend of mine who is incredibly well-read and painfully bright and witty, “Doc”(one of the Periuvian porters I trekked with out of Cusco…they called him the physician for his VAST knowledge of various plants’ mind-altering benefits…you should have seen HIS feet…Tucker’s matched perfecty!), and (oh so loosely) Eeyore from Whinnie-the-Pooh.
The only stories I could share have already been reflected by the previous posts, so I’ll leave it at that. But suffice it to say that Tucker is a very, very rare gem.
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Hangerlessbolt
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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No...I saw him pull out a bolt with his teeth and stuff his liver in it's place...girthhitched for pro
The guy is "chuck norris" bad-ass
With that said, you appear shortsighted with your one-word descrption.
Certainly, you can do better.
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phil
climber
eastside
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I climbed my first wall, leaning tower, on september 10th-12th 2001 and when down my partner and I quickly headed to the deli. I get ice cream, he gets a 6-pack and we grab an outside table to consume. Now, I had never met Tucker or even seen a photo, but I see a guy drinking OE, pressing heads and smoking a camel straight. Must be tucker tech, I say to myself. I get up and ask him for a smoke, even offer to pay for it. Tucker says, "nope, last one" and I sit back down. Not two minutes later he reaches into his pants, pulls out a pack, shakes a smoke out and lights up. "F#cker" was all I could think.
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Jello
Social climber
No Ut
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All the best, Tucker.
-Jeff
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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He schooled me in Scrabble by laying down "RINSED" on triple word score, I so wanted to come back with "IRONY", but I couldn't place it...
Hey Phil, I was sitting at the table with Tucker when you tried to bumm that smoke. As he lit the next one, he flashed the faintest of smiles, and pulled a drag as if it was the nipple of god. All the sweeter taste from rescuing it from a beggar.
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lori
Social climber
CA
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Great thread, didn't see it back in feb . . .
I climbed Temple Crag with Tucker. Me with ice ax, kicking steps and wishing i had crampons on the approach, and Tucker in his Tevas.
I have dined with Tucker on many occasions, my favorite Tucker quote and dirtbag motto - "If there's alot, take alot; if there's a little, take it all"
I have seen Tucker light his chest hair on fire. Twice.
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climbingjones
Trad climber
grass valley,ca
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Yeah, Tucker is so rad! Nothing like breaking the law and living like a degenerate. Are all of you people so desparate for a role model that you will take one who steals to eat, runs from the law and contributes nothing useful to society? Putting up routes and flaunting your middle finger to "the Man" is not really a contibution. In that case any random punk who refuses to get a job and commits petty crimes would be a hero to you. In what other facet of life would you tolerate the same behavior? You wouldnt. The homeless guy who wanders the streets eating out of garbage cans, hassling people, and getting hassled by the law? No you turn your nose up at him and make some condescending remark. Is it because the era of the dirtbag climber is gone and you all need someone to live vicariously through? To make yourself feel better about your mundane existence? I am not saying he is a vilian or anything, but come on. Get a grip folks. Live vicarioulsy through yourself. Live hard and die quickly (God willing)!
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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You ClimbingJane, are a pathetic moron. You know nothing of the man. I know him very well and I can assure you that Tucker has more moral integrity then you will ever posses. Go f*#k yourself loser.
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climbingjones
Trad climber
grass valley,ca
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Thanks rlf,
It makes me feel good to know that some anonymous post on a forum about a degenerate can stir you so. The comment about my integrity means alot coming from someone such as yourself who thinks Tucker is all that. Go back to bed in your Moms basement. And if you get a chance, raise your standards a little, say just off the ground.
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WBraun
climber
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ClimbingJane
What exactly are you contributing towards society that makes you so puffed up and self righteous about your own self to need to put down someone else.
Are you the role model we need to worship?
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Hangerlessbolt
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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"The homeless guy who wanders the streets eating out of garbage cans, hassling people, and getting hassled by the law? No you turn your nose up at him and make some condescending remark"
Pathetic and weak
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climbingjones
Trad climber
grass valley,ca
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All I am saying is that this is a guy who has done nothing but be a climber and lawbreaker. Am I the role model? I doubt it. Well, I dont know. I work hard, contribute to the system that supports people like him, respect authority and respect others. I guess that makes me just a stooge to those of you holding onto your "fight the power" mentality. Who that has kids would want their kids looking up to and idolizing Tucker? No one I know. I am not "puffed up" as you so eloquently put it, I just dont see why someone would prop him up as such a hero. Just because you know the guy doesnt make him what you say he is. You are looking at him through rose colored glasses. Anyone else who lives the way he does, that you did not know, would not get the praise or the pedestal you place him on. Have the balls to admit that you are biased. We really dont need double standards. One will do.
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climbingjones
Trad climber
grass valley,ca
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Hey hangerless,
Way to take things out of context. And I guess if we all thought the same way, "your way" everything would be sooooo peachy, huh? Pathetic and weak? Sure. If you say so. You are all right. Tucker is my hero too. I will quit my job, sell my stuff except for my gear and live illegally somewhere. Please forgive me for having a diffenrent opinion. I dont know what I was thinking. Oh yeah, thats just it. I was thinking, for myself. Try it sometime.
PS. I love rocking the boat. Just dont get too pissed off. It is just one guys opinion. Am I still entitled to that?
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WBraun
climber
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You are a fool ClimbingJane.
No one here is making Tucker out to be anything other than just describing the man. And stealing? What has Tucker stolen?
You are a weird guy?
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Please change your user ID to say:
From: Ass valley, CA
Have you ever met Tucker? No? Then whose talking out of their ass now?
You know nothing of the Tao, and your Kung Fu is weak.
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flyingkiwi1
Trad climber
Seattle WA
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Climbingjones...
Not every one can live the way Tucker does; not every one can live the way you do. I imagine that more people reading this forum would like to think about living the way Tucker does than like to think about living the way you do, and, if pressed, I can surmise a few reasons for that.
If you're happy with your life, why would that bother you?
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climbingjones
Trad climber
grass valley,ca
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Thanks Werner,
Another compliment. I have heard from friends who spent alot of time in the Vally that he repeatedly stole food (from tousists) and pilfered stashed gear. I am just going off of things I have heard and read. Like most of you are. Although I know you know him well Werner. Again, sorry for having a diffenent opinion. I will try to toe the line in the future. Just let me know what stance I should take on what issues. Thanks.
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Scoopy
Big Wall climber
Both feet on the ground
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"Tucker once rode his mountain bike from Yosemite to Joshua Tree....carrying all his clothes, food, AND CLIMBING GEAR for the season........"
I happened to be heading up to Toulumne that day and saw Tucker on this trek. The most amazing thing about it was that he did not have all this gear in panniers... He had it in a backpack!
I can think of many worthy Tucker stories, but I always got a kick out the way Tucker could make anyone, friend or foe, feel like a fool:
One day I spent some deli time watching Tucker play a few rounds of chess thinking I might learn something about the game. Only a few minutes into a session with one sorry player, he announced "I win". Wanting to understand why this was so, I asked Tucker "why did you win" to which he replied "because he lost".
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Loom
climber
The Whiteboard Jungle
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Contributing to society is over-rated.
Modern society is so fvcked up that no matter what you do--even something that is meant to help others like working in education, health care, etc.--you contribute something negative: you help perpetuate a harmful, dysfunctional system. Some like myself try to do what we can to maximize the positive and minimize the the negative, but there is much rationalizing going on, among those who are not completely oblivious, because we have gotten used to more money and a more padded existence.
Anyone who works or votes even more directly in favor of the corporatocracy we live under ends up even more on the negative side of the balance sheet of life.
Being religious or believing doesn't help either: if there was no "moderate" religion there would be no religious extremists. And despite what the born againers may tell you, it matters not whether you accept heyseuss krighst as your personal savior or satan--your contribution to society is based on whether, overall, you have made people's lives (the people alive now and those yet to be born, those close to you and those you'll never meet) better or worse between the time you're born and the time you croak.
Bottom line, Tucker does very little harm compared to the rest of us. And I think most of us who have spent any time hanging out with Tucker have been enriched, entertained or enlightened.
Tucker is someone who follows the golden rule. I remember we were at the little hot creek hot spring once, and Tucker said that when he hitchhikes and he sees a car coming that has children in it he puts his thumb down, if they still pull over to offer him a ride he explains to them that they have a responsibility to their children to not risk offering a ride to strangers, especially strangers who look like him.
Look to yourself.
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I have heard from friends
Everyone has opinions, but yours aren't even based on first hand information. We know why we care so much about this, why do you, since you've never met the man?
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phil
climber
eastside
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elcapfool
I did at least offer to pay for the smoke...and you'd better check your dates, 'cause I remeber him sitting alone, unless you were there the day after 9/11.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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jones, if he pull it out of your mouth now you might save your ankle.
"Anyone else who lives the way he does,"
-what can you possibly purport to know about the way he lives? That's right, you read it on the internet and heard some stories.
How would you like to be taken that out of context? In public? by strangers?
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Yes, I was there the day after 9-11.
I watched the towers fall on tv in the clinic, as I was bivying with my now wife, the psycho nurse.
And I distictly remember the incident, as I was the one who bought him the pack of smokes, as enticement for some custom swageing.
I may have been sitting at the next table, that detail escapes me. But I definately remember that exchange.
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Mimi
climber
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What a fun thread. I climbed with Tucker a fair amount in the Valley when we lived there. At one time he was focused on ticking obscure short free climbs and asked me to join him. I'm sure I would've missed out on those routes had it not been for him. And there are a lot of things that make a man thirsty; not all of them tragic and deplorable.
Scott Cole! Howdy partner. Yes, I remember the trout under his ice cream van. Once that pile of fish got going in that summer heat, it was something to behold. PEEEWW! I remember Tucker finally figuring out where it was stashed and proudly holding the plastic bag up with that smile of his although it did piss him off initially.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Ok ClimbingJane, I'll spell it out for you since lack the basics of conscious thought. YOU DON'T KNOW THE GUY, AND OBVIOUSLY NEVER MET HIM.
F*#k your opinion. Please don't tell me that you have actualy had children and are spreading your broken ways further. My guess, you have to think in order to breathe.
And no, I'm not anonymous you fool, my name is Robert Fonda and I live in Joshua Tree. If you had a functional brain cell in that thick skull of yours you would have no problems figuring this out.
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phil
climber
eastside
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elcapfool
Well, it was the perfect end to my first wall actually. Sitting at the deli, inhaling junk food before the mandatory pizz gorgefest and then both meeting and being dissed by the legend himself. I really don't think it could have ended up better.
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Hangerlessbolt
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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climbingjanes wrote: "I have heard from friends who spent alot of time in the Vally[sic]..."
Oh, is that what you heard?
Well, I heard that your mom sucks donkey c*ck down in TJ to pay for your sister's therapy from when she blew your uncle.
See how rumors start...you lousy fuktard
"First practice the freedom of thought before invoking the freedom of speech." - HLB
This thread isn’t about opinions…it’s about experiences… of which, you have none.
*I wasn't going to bother, but then I had a few seconds to kill...and with such an easy target...how could one resist
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Dec 10, 2006 - 03:53am PT
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Just for the record, my 2 1/2 year old son Beck adores Tucker and talks about him frequently. Once while making a mandatory beer run for Tucker at the local Sam's Market in Joshua Tree, Beck followed Tucker into the store, and when he couldn't see him, he shouted out," Tucker where are you; I love you!" Tucker "claims" not to like kids;...it's part of his "tough-guy" personna...and his life style and personality and taste don't lean towards children, but he makes exceptions to his "written in stone rules to live by." The reason my son Beck loves Tucker is because Tucker loves him, is kind to him, is funny and fun with him, and has all sorts of cool stuff at his house that my son messes with and often breaks. Sometimes "legendary" bad-boys aren't quite as bad as their reputations......(Although everything you have heard about his stinky unwashing gross feet is true.......no exaggerations there....)
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Dec 10, 2006 - 10:18am PT
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Now that I think about it...my son looks alot LIKE Tucker;.....I need to contact Maury Povich for a paternity test........(His feet are always dirty too, and he always asks me to put beer in his bottle....)......Why didn't I piece this together earlier?
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HF
climber
I'm a Norwegian in Joshua Tree
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Dec 10, 2006 - 12:22pm PT
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Climbingjones,
"I am just going off of things I have heard and read"
Now there's a good reason to publicly attack a person you have never met and clearly does not know.
How about getting all the facts of the case next time you make your personal opinion known, maybe then it will be your opinion and not your friends?
Tucker is a dear friend of mine, in case you hadn't guessed.
Finally: Have the guts to post your name not just some anonymous online identity.
Sincerly,
Hilde Fonda
Joshua Tree, CA
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 10, 2006 - 04:28pm PT
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anyone who's ever hung with tucker knows that underneath that cactus prick persona lies a heart of the purest gold. and that's about all anyone really "needs to say about tucker tech."
p.s. when he thinks noone is looking, he routinely practices random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
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Scott Wayland
climber
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Dec 11, 2006 - 11:49pm PT
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I climbed with Tucker a bit back in the 80's, and I'm glad to hear that he's "mellowed." He could be one ornery, unpleasant SOB. When he and his bride at the time, Dave Hirsch, got going, I could kill 'em both. At one point, stuck in a Pontiac Grandville parked under Mt. Temple in the Canadian Rockies in the pouring rain--ah, such a grand bivi!--their f*#king relentless attacks on ANYTHING I said, my relationship with my girlfriend--ANYTHING--almost led me to grab my pack, bail into the rainy night and start hitching home to California.
Then, on a climb up the Grand Teton, we unroped, and Tucker soloed off ahead, leaving me to babysit some bozo we met up with in the parking lot. Tucker had ALL the gear, so I was left with nothing to anchor myself with and protect me or my inept charge. I blasted by some slow party from Indiana and wedged my ass behind a little ledge and asked for Bozo to come on. Bozo promptly slid out of his steps and started, literally, rolling like a haul bag across the snow slope--pulling me inch by inch out of my butt lock. This is one of the closest scrapes I've had in the mountains. When Bozo got up to the ledge, I promptly untied and said, "Yer on yer own, bub!" I soloed away on easy ground. I wanted to be above him so he couldn't drop sh#t or himself on me. On the top, I thanked Tucker for taking all the gear! Damn, I was ready to kill him.
All that said, he WAS a solid climber. I suppose he's something of an acquired taste, like absinthe or day-old beer. I hope his interpersonal skills have improved, and I wish him well. I mean, how many rock climbing troglodytes do YOU know?
Keep hoisting, TT
Scott
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Mimi
climber
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One of my favorite recollections of Tucker standing in front of his proud ice cream van in the C4 Lot circa 1985.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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That's, the Tucker I always think of!
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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I've never seen him smile like that.
Now it's more of a smirk.
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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Tucker was never quite the same after that episode where he soloed something like five walls back-to-back, with nothing but a couple power bars stuffed in his white painters pants.
After a solo of El Cap, I was pretty much ready for the White Room myself, too much alone time for me.
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Landgolier
climber
the flatness
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Rich (Darnell on ST) has a hilarious story about twisted mental states after soloing walls, he soloed on half dome for like 11 days or something and topped out right into touron central. No human contact for 250+ hours and then 10 people talking to you at once. Hopefully he'll tell it on here some time, I heard it in a hypoglycemic stupor after a bike ride and almost laughed myself into a coma.
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bonnie davis
Trad climber
albuquerque n.m.
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Jul 31, 2008 - 11:21pm PT
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There's nothing like climbing with Tucker Tech with him belaying with an Old English in his hand and a Camel non-filter in the other.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 31, 2008 - 11:32pm PT
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bvb, so right on ! I climbed with Tucker several weeks ago, me a pretty much newbie. He shared his beer, his wisdom and his humor.
Next day my son in law calls and I tell him I went climbing and he says wi ho and I say Todd, Tucker Tech and Tim. NO WAY, said Dave not THE Tucker Tech....THE Tucker Tech, I said ? He fills me in on the Who's Who of TT.
OMG, I said, and he put up wit me ? Cool Dude. Yas Tucker Tech, you are, thanks from Lynne.
(Thanks for not counting how many times I said, "ok, watch me now." serious giggles)
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Jul 31, 2008 - 11:32pm PT
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Tucker and Robert Fonda'.....Two things you need to run heavy machinery;....diesel fuel and beer.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Jul 31, 2008 - 11:35pm PT
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Did you know that Tucker has studied sign language?...
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Will you flash , please?
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Do you mean "Silence of the Lambs" style tucker?
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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One of my favorites;...
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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I partied with Tucker and Tad on several occasions in J-Tree over the years, but I can't remember a damn thing about it.
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WBraun
climber
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The great thing about Tucker, you can hang around him and never feel uncomfortable.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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He made my first day on the rock in MANY years so great. I didn't know who he was...TT didn't make me feel like a non compes mentas (sp ?)... In real English, an idiot...
And, he never let on his climbing experience ! When I found out his background I was gratified at the grace he showed.
This may be a repeat post, but darn, I was impressed by the guy.
: )
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Yonder (out in the sagebrush)
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That's the thing, Lynne.....Tucker Never 'lets on'. That's part of his style.
Groove.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Skully, you hit it, TT has so much class.... who gives a what up if his feet are needing a manicure once in a while. The guy is an awesome dude.... lrl
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Yonder (out in the sagebrush)
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Just keep clear of 'de feet'.......Zoinks!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Go to bed you cranks....! Dude is wy kool. snarl lrl hehe
Hope ya'll can take a joke unlike some on this planet. smiles
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Abjays2
Trad climber
Calistoga,CA
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Oct 23, 2008 - 09:44pm PT
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I began my climbing days when Tucker was the Teacher's Assistant in the climbing class at College of Marin. Those were the days when Marin County wasn't the shithole it is now. I have a lot of respect for Tucker because he found something he was truely passionate about, and stayed with it. We climbed with a whole bunch of people in those days and many got married, or died, or are still working in some crappy job thinking they are living. Not Tucker. He keeps climbing and climbing. He dragged me up some horrible climbs; and dragged me up some very memorable climbs. I still climb with many pieces of equiment that Tucker sold me almost 30 years ago. Some of the original Friends! If there was a situation that was questionable (bad walk off, crappy anchor, etc) Tucker would be the first off. He was always willing to be the one at risk. Thanks Tucker....Dan
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troy bailey
Trad climber
ca
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Apr 26, 2011 - 06:39pm PT
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Hi Tucker,
Hows your brother, and how are you? Tried to find you Easter of 2011. Becky is gone, lost mind!! Call Me, Troy 760-417-0704. Miss you and Steve.
Take Care, Troy B.
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S.Leeper
Sport climber
Pflugerville, Texas
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Apr 26, 2011 - 07:16pm PT
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Here's a fun day at the crags with Tucker......Yo go to pic him up;... he's NEVER ready to leave.... you have to wait while he leasurely finishes his current beer and smoke. Then you drive to the crags..... after you get out of the car, Tucker's stink is still in the car.....(It goes away in a few days...)....Then YOU start hiking... but Tucker is still in the parking lot... "having one more beer and smoke."......so you walk out in the wilderness, alone with no one to chat with while you hike to your climbing crag destination....(No big dea, really...) After awhile, Tucker has caught up with you because he hikes as fast as a demon from hell, but he doesn't stop to join you in conversation, but rather passes you by.....(Here's where you get to smell him again...).... At the crags, I usually lead our projects because Tucker needs TWO hands...(You guessed it.....One for the beer, one for the cig, right?)....While you are climbing, Tucker's belay hand could be anywhere......(Is it on the rope, the beer, rolling a smoke, smoking a smoke, or holding his weenie while he pees, which he does every 5 min. or so because he probably had 5 beers BEFORE you even picked him up to go climbing...?).... then while you are climbing, Tucker either doesn't say a word to you, or he belittles you for going to slow, not being a good climber, not running it out, or being too old, having a bald head, having children, having a life,... whatever.... After you have finished your AWESOME project, new route, or heroic lead, you ask Tucker how he liked the climb....(which, by the way, he floated in record time...). .... he say's " It's a steaming pile of sh#t.".....Then he'll belch and/or fart, finish his beer and cig, shoulder his back, and start walking back to the car at full speed....without saying another word........(This is what I do EVERY Saturday......sheeeesh...)... Care to join us?
ha ha phuqing classic!!!!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Apr 26, 2011 - 07:23pm PT
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ridicule from tucker is the highest praise. trust me, i know this from vast experience on the recieving end.
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mctwisted
Social climber
superslacker city
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Apr 26, 2011 - 07:44pm PT
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werner heres a few shots of us skiing right before i had to beg for tiger milk bars (day ten of big epic ski trip)
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Apr 26, 2011 - 08:49pm PT
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Tucker's told me about that trip many times...
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Apr 26, 2011 - 09:03pm PT
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Todd,
Love that picture of TT and T. Burke.
Thanks
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Apr 26, 2011 - 10:27pm PT
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So DR and I met Tucker for the first time at the last Gordon shindig. We both got involved in a long conversation with Tucker. He is of course his own person but the man is really bright and very interesting with a bunch of wide-ranging interests. The encounter has underscored once again for me and DR how all sorts of us get trashed socially for our characteristics even though worthy of anyone's respect. Zappa said "life is like high school with money".
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Apr 26, 2011 - 10:54pm PT
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"I have a lot of respect for Tucker because he found something he was truely passionate about, and stayed with it. We climbed with a whole bunch of people in those days and many got married, or died, or are still working in some crappy job thinking they are living. Not Tucker. He keeps climbing and climbing."
Well said.
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KitKat
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe
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Apr 27, 2011 - 06:25am PT
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The man plays a mean game of scrabble... highly intelligent individual! And the valley, well... it just isn't the same without him... lets have a breakfast cobra sometime tucker....
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jstan
climber
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Apr 27, 2011 - 12:03pm PT
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"I have a lot of respect for Tucker because he found something he was truely passionate about, and stayed with it. We climbed with a whole bunch of people in those days and many got married, or died, or are still working in some crappy job thinking they are living. Not Tucker. He keeps climbing and climbing."
The value afforded by individual choice lies not in success being assured. Individual choice means you know you have to point the finger at yourself - no matter how it turns out.
And it will "turn out".
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Johnny K.
climber
Southern,California
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Apr 27, 2011 - 12:09pm PT
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Every time I see Tucker Tech in Jtree,I think to myself "awesome". =D
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 28, 2011 - 02:43am PT
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Most recient picture of Tucker Tech....(taken today).......a single girl's dreamboat......
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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May 30, 2011 - 12:08am PT
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Shots taken today.....
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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May 30, 2011 - 12:11am PT
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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May 30, 2011 - 12:17am PT
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I haven't known Tucker nearly as long as many of you, but count him a friend. I love to listen to his climbing community stories, along with his takes on life and the world at large.
Tuckers love for the things that grow on this planet, especially in JTree, and the gift he has to create beauty out of rock, wood and cast off items is pretty awesome.
Great to see Yo yesterday Dude :D Cheers, lynnie
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noal elkins
climber
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May 30, 2011 - 12:39am PT
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Made my day!! Thanks!!
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MisterE
Social climber
Cinderella Story, Outa Nowhere
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May 30, 2011 - 02:16am PT
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The man knows his native plants!
An amazing, high-functioning individual, passionate about his pursuits - and he walks his talk.
Keep on keepin' on, Tucker - always an honor to spend time with you.
Erik
Edit: and he likes a good trundle, too!
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mctwisted
Social climber
superslacker city
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May 30, 2011 - 11:31am PT
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here is a rare photo of tucker eating something besides peanuts,chips or tiger milk bars! lol
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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May 30, 2011 - 11:36am PT
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As I discovered at the Flanders Fest, Tucker's not a bad dancer either!
Never spilled a drop!
TY
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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May 31, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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Yesterday;....
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Jun 13, 2011 - 12:08pm PT
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How to deal with Tucker's stinky feet....
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Jun 13, 2011 - 06:49pm PT
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This is a great thread...I knew he was a hard dude, but not THIS hard...
When we stayed at the ranch recently with rlf, we got to see Tucker's latest wall - very impressive. But the man himself wasn't about, I think Robert said he was off on a trip or something.
First thing Todd asked me when we met up at the Saloon was "Didja see Tucker?" and that was the first question of a few other guys that showed up and found out we were staying at the Ranch.
Now I'm bummed he wasn't there. Time for another road trip. hehe.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Sep 18, 2011 - 06:28pm PT
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Sep 18, 2011 - 07:05pm PT
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climbing choss and drinking shi t ttt ttt y beer? I'll pass
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Sep 19, 2011 - 03:22am PT
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climbing choss and drinking shi t ttt ttt y beer? I'll pass Pantywaist.
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ruppell
climber
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Sep 19, 2011 - 03:55am PT
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Is this a beer thing or a climbiing thing? Fufk it;s bolth. Gdamn I love Jtree
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tornado
climber
lawrence kansas
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Oct 20, 2011 - 09:42pm PT
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bump!
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Gary
climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
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Oct 20, 2011 - 11:25pm PT
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Hey! that's the homeless dude I saw by the dumpster at Mike's Liquor last year.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Dec 27, 2011 - 10:48pm PT
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Climbing with no shirt, yesterday on dec. 26th, Joshua Tree....
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Dec 29, 2011 - 01:42am PT
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Only climbed with him on one occasion when Sims and I came out to JT a few years ago. Tucker pumped out a short 5.11+ face route on sight like is was no problem with about 15 beers on board. I was Greatly impressed!
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Dec 29, 2011 - 01:43am PT
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dude never carries water, wtf, over?
the dean potter trick?
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Nevada City
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i thoroughly enjoyed this. it seemed to me that it was time for a bump.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Apr 13, 2017 - 06:41pm PT
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Time for a Tucker update! Any sightings?
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Apr 13, 2017 - 06:56pm PT
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He kept the cams camming when it mattered
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 13, 2017 - 09:19pm PT
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Isn't Tucker the guy who the legend about the dude who could jug with one hand while drinking a beer with the other was based on?
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Branscomb
Trad climber
Lander, WY
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Apr 14, 2017 - 09:32am PT
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I didn't know him, talked to him once or twice in the Valley. I liked the man...he seemed like a really good man. I never had that much courage to let go of the 'things you're supposed to do' so I admire people like him that can be free.
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BigB
Trad climber
Red Rock
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Apr 14, 2017 - 10:32am PT
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Lynne,
Is that Wendell you refer to in the pic posted above^...Wendell Broussard(vegas)?
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jstan
climber
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Apr 14, 2017 - 12:47pm PT
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The couple of times I talked to TT, he never mentioned ST. What we do or say seems not terribly important to him. Good!
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 14, 2017 - 01:03pm PT
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What's not to say about Tucker?
I was hanging out in Hidden Valley climbing with friends, and occasionally picking up partners in the campground when no one else was around. One morning I was cleaning up my campsite, and I came across this old thrashed rope which I had long ago retired from leading. I'd kept it around for top roping. On this morning I looked at it and decided it was done – I threw it in the dumpster.
A couple days later I had plans to go climbing with Tucker Tech. He showed up at my site saying we should go try some new route called Tail Gunner, which I had never heard of. “Bring your rack, I have a rope.” And we’re off to find another new obscurity in the Wonderland of Rocks.
Finally we located the climb and start getting ready. From his back pack Tucker pulls out the very rope I had retired to the dumpster, looks me straight in the eye and says “I cannot understand why someone would throw a perfectly good rope in the trash.”
I was not sure if he had seen me toss the rope, or if he had just come across it while scavenging. I didn’t ask.
Tail Gunner is a great climb, by the way, if you can find it…
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 14, 2017 - 01:38pm PT
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When WWIII ends with everyone dead from radiation poisoning Tucker Tech will still be standing and holding his beer saying ....
"Hey! Where'd everyone go?"
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jstan
climber
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Apr 14, 2017 - 02:15pm PT
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Indeed. Beer has a very high cross section for neutrons and is independent of neutron energy.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Apr 14, 2017 - 02:43pm PT
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TT preparing for the apocalypse last year.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Apr 15, 2017 - 07:59am PT
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Serious ST gold right here. Long live TT! Kind of rocking the "Walter White" look in that last pic.
BAd
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Apr 15, 2017 - 08:38am PT
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F10
Trad climber
Bishop
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Apr 15, 2017 - 10:02am PT
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Rocks and beer, two of his favorite things
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Apr 15, 2017 - 11:24am PT
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Did Tucker build that?
I went climbing with Tucker and Todd one day. While driving around the town Tucker had us make a detour so I could see the stone walls he had built. They were impressive and he was very proud of them.
Tucker must have been an Anasazi at Chaco Canyon in a previous life.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Apr 15, 2017 - 12:42pm PT
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No, Big B, Wendell Smith from So Cal. Used to be TGT here on ST til they booted him for insensitivety.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Apr 15, 2017 - 01:24pm PT
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I was staring up at Todd as he balanced 15 feet above me, cat like, from one small edge to another. Braced against a boulder, belaying, I was anticipating a fall at any moment. Todd's best foothold was a dirt clod that was being reduced in size every time he shifted his weight. The accumulated dirt had been deposited by rain in a horizontal crack and had built up a sizable mound. This mound was now slowly but surely crumbling away under his shoes and raining down on my sweaty face as he sussed out the next moves. After what seemed like an eternity, Todd had arranged the pro and climbed above the now very diminished dirt clod. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw someone scrambling up to me from below. It was Tucker.
Now, it is a matter of fact, Tucker likes his beer. If you're at the car, in the parking lot, at at the trailer, he's very generous and will ply you with libations. However, once he has loaded his BD haul bag up with his “supplies” you're on your own. It was an unspoken rule, once on the trial he didn't share. If he humped that beer in, he was the only one drinking it!
I squinted to see Tucker standing there and looking rather pitifully at me. There I was, holding the rope, dirt mixed with sweat, mud streaking my face and hands, looking like I had just lost a mud slinging fight. Which, I guess, was about right. I had been a sitting duck for all the debris Todd had been knocking off above for some 45 minutes now. At this point Todd was now off belay and rigging the anchor on top of his newest choss pile creation, Poly- Amorous Perverse, 5.10c.
I couldn't tell if Tucker was truly pitying me or felt empathetic, having himself been a victim of Todd's endless search for the next dirt pile, but he did something NO ONE had ever seen before. He lifted his right hand and thrust a beer into my muddy mitts! “ Here, you look like you could use this”, he said bluntly. I was at once shocked, and grateful. Tucker giving up a brew, miles from the resupply cooler in the car; well this was a first. I gladly accepted the gift and downed it in a long tilt. I don't care what people say about Tucker, he's alright in my book. Now, if we could just get him to shower regularly......
TY
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Apr 15, 2017 - 03:14pm PT
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Tucker is a cool head!
I think, Tucker is part bob-cat. Cats do not like water.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Apr 15, 2017 - 04:49pm PT
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I don't know Tucker well, but when I spent time with him it was clear to me that he stays true to his convictions. Nuff said.
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Heyzeus
climber
Hollywood,Ca
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Apr 15, 2017 - 07:47pm PT
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Tucker is a good and honest man. Which is not too common.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 15, 2017 - 11:33pm PT
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 15, 2017 - 11:34pm PT
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 15, 2017 - 11:37pm PT
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 15, 2017 - 11:38pm PT
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 15, 2017 - 11:39pm PT
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 15, 2017 - 11:40pm PT
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 15, 2017 - 11:41pm PT
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Daniel Thiele
Trad climber
up in the high country, ca.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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fixed it for you Daniel. Cool shot too :-)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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I can say that Natural Light never had a better customer.
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Daniel Thiele
Trad climber
up in the high country, ca.
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Thanks for fixing that for me. Tucker and I had a fun time climbing together out in the Moab area, as you can see in that photo!
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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May 29, 2017 - 10:22pm PT
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 29, 2017 - 10:36pm PT
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Ha. I've seen him on that climb bafore. Think It only took 4 beers;) Did he tell ya that's only one he repeats?
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grover
climber
Castlegar BC
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May 29, 2017 - 10:39pm PT
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Cwazy looking pillar!
Where is this Mega-Dick-Wrenching-Classic you speak of?
You're a good friend Todd.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 29, 2017 - 11:44pm PT
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Oh ye, shame on me. I coulda swore Aiguille De JTree !?
You gotta be the best climbing buddy ever, Todd!
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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May 30, 2017 - 02:58am PT
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[photoid=500293]
This climb is over by the west entrance to the Park. unfortunately, the summit block is loose, and when you stand on the top..the whole thing moves;...not a very safe climb;...but exciting summit none the less.
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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May 30, 2017 - 08:24am PT
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Does Tucker ever eat or drink anything other than beer?
Does he ever use sunscreen?
Is he some kind of beer drinking buddhist ascetic?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 30, 2017 - 08:31am PT
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yes, he likes his Thai food Extra spicy hot
no
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 30, 2017 - 08:50am PT
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Does Tucker ever eat or drink anything other than beer?
Does he ever use sunscreen?
Hey, I think he looks pretty gud for 39!
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JLyons
Sport climber
Cali
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May 30, 2017 - 09:31am PT
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I heard that if you're not in the inner circle/local, he's got no use for you. Any truth to that?
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rbolton
Social climber
The home for...
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May 30, 2017 - 03:07pm PT
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Actually, not true. But Tucker doesn't suffer fools (at all) and you have to show some kind of commitment to the climbing world. And you can't be a dick.
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WBraun
climber
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May 30, 2017 - 04:35pm PT
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Stoopid Americans
Just give Tucker a beer and you're in the circle .......
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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May 30, 2017 - 10:57pm PT
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Tucker is super friendly...not an elitist at all....but he does like to climb and drink beer;.....if you can hang with that;.....you are good to go......and he's a smart ass,...which is no secret either. Most climbers enjoy his company...he's a fine fellow indeed...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 31, 2017 - 11:30am PT
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A few years ago I was sitting in the car outside Mike's Liquor and saw this wretched looking homeless dude hanging around the dumpster.
Finally it struck me, it was the famous Tucker Tech.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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May 31, 2017 - 03:24pm PT
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He's a chick magnet
Peace
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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May 31, 2017 - 03:26pm PT
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Tucker is a "climber's climber."
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