College is a waste of time (OT)


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Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
But Weege, you got an education. I've a couple of nieces who wasted a whole lot of time and their Dad's money and don't even have husbands to show for it. I won't go into the minimum wage jobs they have.
Floyd Hayes

Trad climber
Hidden Valley Lake, CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
I wouldn't have become a college professor had I never gone to college.

Social climber
The internet
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
College won't make an idiot smart nor employable at any cost.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
College beats the alternatives. You are almost too stupid to breathe at that age, might as well pretend to read a book while you stare at ass all day.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
I'd say the median age of college "youth" is rising. But maybe that's just at the reprogramming facilities I've attended lately.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
There are a bunch of ignorant, hungry sheep down in the Valley of Germanium and Silicon too. Middle class stupidity and conformity permeates the whole culture top to bottom. A nasty little junior achiever with his hard work, individual initiative, free will talk sounds so stupid when he collides with big money it makes you want to laugh (or cry). They can all go home and sacrifice puppies to an Ayn Rand stone idol. Long live the Dragon Lady and the University of Chicago School of Economics.

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
For those who don't believe in a college degree... watch 28 Up. :)

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
Diplomas by themselves will not make anyone smart, or employed. Lack of education leaves a lot of doors closed, though.

Median annual earnings of full-time, full-year wage and salary workers ages 25-34, by educational attainment: 2011

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Nov 1, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
^^^^^ Totally got me for a minute! Hahahaha!

Trad climber
Nov 1, 2013 - 04:33pm PT

What can one do with a business degree that they can't do by simply immersing themselves in the business world? Serious question, I don't know... I find "business" incredibly boring.

You're half right, I've got an Economics degree and an MBA and that accounts for maybe 2% of my entire business knowledge. Biggest problem with the skipping college plan is you start at the lowest rung of the ladder and it's tough to "immerse yourself in the business world" from the bottom rung. I spent my 20's feeding a climbing addiction but now that I spend time with some hyper-achieving youngsters I'm amazed how much they know by 30 and it's all because they got fast-track opportunities coming out of college.

Three Best parts of college for me were;
1. Escape from my shitty redneck hometown in Louisiana.
2. Met my future wife and have been madly in love for 24 years now.
3. Got to play college ball which was just a ton of fun.

Yes, REILLY; "Werd has it the dudes that built the Great Pyramid didn't go to colledge".
They were slaves.

Tom Turrentine

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Nov 1, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
College ruined my climbing career..and ruined my machining career I began at 15 and ruined my carpentry career I began at 20 and ruined my religion as well. I flunked out of first year of college, then went back and forth between climbing, carpentry, foreign travel and college. First thought I wanted to be a missionary, then a medical doctor, then a furniture maker, then a development economist, finally settled on anthropology, finished at 40 and now I work all the time with engineers at a University on low carbon pathways for vehicles.

The best thing about college was that it kept me looking at the big picture, gave me tools to think about complex problems. The one thing I curse about college is that it has just about pinned me to this chair, typing on this computer.


Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
College, and education in general, is a tool. A tool is still a tool whether it is in the hands of an idiot, someone too lazy to make use of it, or in the hands of someone who knows how to make something beautiful and useful with it.

The point here should be to take personal responsibility for what you want to be, and decide for yourself whether or not going to college is a useful tool for you.

Choosing not to have the degree is taking on a lot of personal responsibility for success, when you don't have as much control over those factors as you might like to think. If you want to be an entrepreneur or free-lance contractor forever, that's fine (until you get burned out or have other life ambitions and responsibilities and want a 9 to 5 in a big company). But you can't fall back as easily to the standard channels of getting a job without the college degree. This is because HR departments are staffed with people who can't tell the difference between who's good or who's not. But they can throw away all resumes that don't have a B.S. or M.S. or Ph.D in the education section.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
Chugach, actually it is now widely believed that most were knott slaves.

It doesn't mean they didn't make mistakes though... (you can skip the ad)

Ice climber
the ghost
Nov 1, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
If you think college is a waste of time, then please stay away!!
Go learn a trade, you'll be happier.

No way do I want idiots next to me in the chemistry lab, engineers are bad enough.

Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
Education is not necessarily a waste of time, but people need to start thinking much more pragmatically about it and less idealistically. If you are going to borrow $60,000 a year to study Sociology at Harvard, you have to understand that you are entering a life of indentured servitude as you will never be likely to pay off your debt. If you are working your way through Cal State to be an engineer, you will likely do fine.

There should also be more trade oriented education (manufacturing, construction, plumbing, etc.), especially at the junior colleges. Not everyone needs to have a 4 year degree.

Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
People should get a credit for learning stuff from youtube.

This is probably the future of education, most likely. People will learn from free or inexpensive resources like youtube. The only thing missing is a standardized academic testing industry.

Nov 1, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
College is never a waste of time, probably one of my greatest regrets is not finishing college. In high school I was a gear head and didn't take the "hard" subjects, but as a senior I decided I wanted to go further and took the ACT test, I got in two years at community colleges and then the letter came and I spent three years in the military, where I interacted with 90 day wonders and senior officers and I saw what an education can mean, young 2nd Lieutenants had new sports cars and lived in bachelor officer quarters, I lived in the barracks and bummed rides.Then freshly discharged with a wife I tried, but it was an uphill struggle, my family were not college educated and my wife wanted to move closer to her parents, and eventually the marriage fell apart and so did my ambitions, it would have been tough but with tutoring I could have pulled it off.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
Not everyone needs to have a 4 year degree.

Sadly, that is not what this world is coming to. Employers don't want to
have to actually judge a job applicant on his or her ability to actually do
a job or think critically they just want to see a piece of paper that supposedly
verifies that they are 'qualified'. Now, if you want to spend your career
studying the Shroud of Turin then you're gonna need a lot more than 4 years.

Nov 1, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
I went to college and got my degree in wasting time ......

Nov 1, 2013 - 08:28pm PT

You did not.
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