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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Oh Paul . . . the things you don't know. :) :P
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Degaine
climber
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What's the expression?
"You can please some people all of the time and all people some of the time but you can’t please all people all of the time.”
For some, I doubt any proof will ever be enough.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Degaine: "For some, I doubt any proof will ever be enough".
You know that is such a stoopid statement. When it comes to something as experiential as climbing, the ultimate proof is being able to eyeball the rig. And this is where I think some people have issues with him. Nothing sinister in that.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley
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First, is anyone prepared to call me a MR hater to my face???
I didn't think so....
Can't Say™ and Hedge summed it up quite well. Doubt misconstrued as hate.
Or jealously. Or attempt at character assassination. Or cowards hiding behind computers.
It seems that Reardon has a bunch of friends––if not sub-men––who are quick to
defend him as if the world is out to get him.
I personally have never posted anything derogatory about Reardon.
Nor do I have any personal issues with him or his attitude.
I have said that more video would help his case. I said the EBGB's video was bad-ass.
And I'll say this: There's a bunch of footage of Reardon soloing easier stuff.
I will say that free-soloing EBGB's for the camera dispels what others have
said about doing it for the wrong reasons or being spontaneous, ect.
In fact, here's an exact Reardon quote from Return To Sender:
10 feet off the ground, you aren't soloing for anyone but you...
––and if you are, you're stupid and you're going to die...
And it's billed as "The first free-solo ascent of EBGB's".
Draw your own conclusions. So he does solo for the camera, but only the first 10 feet?
Falling off EBGB's––even blowing the opening mantle––seems more deadly than
falling off Moonbeam, Equinox, ect. Bachar posted here and said Equinox was "no big deal".
As to the editing of video, let us see it and we can decide whether it's fake or not.
Compositing video without any trace of fakery is knott as easy as you might think.
Who is going to devote the $$$––read HUGE expense––to hire a studio for that???
Also, look at some of the digital effects in movies and notice how fake many of them look...
While I'll take Reardon's word for his exploits despite my doubts, I say: bring on the videos!!
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Ksolem
Trad climber
LA, Ca
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The legal side of the producion team usually goes completely uncredited. They just want to get paid.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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Swelleymon quote:
"To those in Hollywood, credits matter big time. It is the way these people tout the size of thier dick. You get your name as high and as prominent as possible"
survey sez,
closest swelley's been to a film production is photomat.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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i still say that anyoe posting 3rd hand crap about anyone else's exploits or lack of credibility is wasting both their own time and ours. if you are going to stick your chest out and stand up on a soapbox in front of everyone, fine, be a man about it and post here only a copy of the emails you are sending to the guy(or gal) whom you question, w/ no other commentary. if you have something to say, say it to him! otherwise you are just like the snickering kids in highschool.
so much reverence is given to bachar in these comparisons and yet denied to this guy, well look who bachar has in his own shoe company's ads!! so bachar is fine w/ the guy, but some nobodys on the internet are (repeatedly) all worked up about their take on credibility. i can proudly say that i have never soloed a legit 5.10, but from my own experiences w/out a rope i can also say that claiming to have done what i have not done would be more damaging to myself then to others. i don't believe that anyone would be risking themselves for any reason but to satisfy something within themself, and that has basicly got nothing to do w/ what anyone else thinks or says about it. sure, sometimes attention and praise become involved, but at it's core, the motivation has got to remain, otherwise "you're gonna die".
one of the hubers had someone shoot vids of him soloing a 5.14a that he had ruthlessly dialed, so what was your opinion of that? mine: sure, he's a great great climber, obviously has climbed that a few times, but what a sponsor driven euro self promotion artist for filming it...
same guy (i think? maybe it was the other brother?) tweaked himself by falling, unroped, from the lower portion of something easy on MCR (the easy butt?) so i guess we should conclude that no one has ever free soloed that line, if he can climb 5.14 unroped but fell there.
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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From IMDB.com
Internet Movie Database
Biography for
Michael Reardon
Height
5' 10" (1.78 m)
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Mini biography
Starting as a child actor in the 70s, Michael graduated to become a musician with a handful of albums in the glam-rock 80s. During this time he directed several music videos and commercials and sold a handful of scripts that later became feature films. Michael briefly disappeared from entertainment and into the dot-com world where he created a successful website company responsible for putting such companies as Mitsubishi and UCLA online. He later sold the business, went to law school, and came crashing back into entertainment by forming Silver Wings Productions ("Critical Mass" and "This Island Earth...") and later becoming the head of business affairs for Harvey Entertainment ("Casper, the Friendly Ghost" and "Richie Rich"), as well as production work for Universal, Paramount Classics, and Disney. He is a founding partner in Black Sky Entertainment which produced "Cabin Fever" and is in production on it's next, entitled "Site Unseen". Michael also owns his own production banner that has produced the "Climb On!" extreme sports series, and is currently directing "TechnoSmog" (release date December 2003) as well as producing several features, including "Blind Man's Bluff" (Sundance Film Festival short) and "Billy Whiteman" (based on the upcoming novel by Sid Jacobson).
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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I read that Samet piece about him in one of the climbing mags, and thought it was weird that half the article, the 'Mr. Producer' story, was a story told by Reardon's buddy about somebody else! WTF?
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Wade Icey
Social climber
the EPC
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I've seen Bachar, Croft, Dean, Werner, Schultz, Duecy, Bigwall, Walt, et al, freesoloing on numerous occasions over the years, with my own eyes, in person and... I STILL DON"T BELIEVE IT.
Believe me,
Wade
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley
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I read that Samet piece about him in one of the climbing mags, and thought it was weird that half the article, the 'Mr. Producer' story, was a story told by Reardon's buddy about somebody else! WTF?
Hahaha LOL
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley
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I just thought of something:
Reardon's slide shows are getting the kind of advertising that money can't buy,
by virtue of this thread staying at or near the top of the forum for days on end.
He owes everyone––friends, sub-men, enemies, and detractors––a big !@#$%^& thank you!
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Many interesting facts, but one thing seems clear, he may be able to shed light on the question;
Is Casper the Ghost of Richie Rich?
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Fluoride
Trad climber
on a rock or mountain out west
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"one of the hubers had someone shoot vids of him soloing a 5.14a that he had ruthlessly dialed, so what was your opinion of that? mine: sure, he's a great great climber, obviously has climbed that a few times, but what a sponsor driven euro self promotion artist for filming it..."
You're referring to Kommunist. Want the real story of this "self promotion artist"? Alex had gone up and done the route in sections enough to dial it, but hadn't done the full freesolo of it. The morning he went up to do the official send of the route, he went alone (to minimize pressure on himself) and brought a wide angle lens to set up on the ground and record his climb. A tourist/hiker type came along as he was about to go for it, instead he had that person hold the camera and shoot his climb. So that person shot the video of the climb, and the guy who shot the tape had no idea the feat he witnessed or who Alex was. Thus, that tape shows his ground up free ascent of 5.14 Kommunist. He went back later with Heinz (and Max too I believe) and climbed it a few more times to get better video of the crux sections. So the video of him climbing Kommunist is actually about three different climbs of it edited together, but the original freesolo of it was captured 100% ground to topout on tape.
That's the story firsthand from Alex when I ran into him in the valley a few months after his Kommunist climb. Sure he may be a "self promoting Euro" , but he climbs hard and backs up his claims. And so what if it sells some videos. Eh, 5.14 is more than I'll ever climb, let alone freesolo.
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westhegimp
Social climber
granada hills
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"Doubt" doesnt lead to a** holes threatining your family.
When disgusting remarks are made...its hard to understand how its not Hate.
Dont all of you be fooled by "It's not as personal as you are making it out to be"
This goes way beyond anything in this post.
I think you know what Im talking about.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
on a rock or mountain out west
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Wes, I'm not 100% clear...enlighten us.
Are people threatening Marci and his daughter because they hate Mike? Was it put-downs or actual threats? Either way it's lame...I guess I'm just suprised climber bashing could go to that extreme.
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marky
climber
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"The truth will always naturally appear one day .... "
Students who write dreck like this deservedly get F's.
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westhegimp
Social climber
granada hills
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Fluoride,
Yes. Both. Its more than lame. If it was happening to you, what would you do?
Wes
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WBraun
climber
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gimp
Is this true?
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westhegimp
Social climber
granada hills
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Feb 10, 2006 - 12:22am PT
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WB
In more ways than one, but none that stop me from climbing.
Wes
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