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SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jan 20, 2014 - 10:19pm PT

More excellent information on on real big, dishonest scammer.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jan 20, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
wow, true believers still posting on ST.

i guess we also have a man-in-the-moon thread, though, so maybe i shouldnt be surprised.
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2014 - 10:59am PT
Saw it on the Eastcoast this morning. He really didn't say much.

Why after years of silence does he speak on the Today show?!?
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Jan 21, 2014 - 11:15am PT
Money - he wants more of it. The more I read about this guy and his "charity," the more I am convinced that he is a total POS. He might have started with good intentions, but he has lost all credibility.
JJ2onK2

climber
Apr 12, 2014 - 09:54am PT
I am working on a documentary about Greg Mortenson, the CAI, and the "60 Minutes" story which created the scandal. Take a look at the fundraising trailer - www.3000cupsoftea.org. We are still gathering information and interviews and remain open to where the story is taking us.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Apr 19, 2014 - 10:07am PT
The website EverestK2 has just published an interview with the producers of the film defending Mortenson.


http://www.explorersweb.com/everest_k2/news.php?url=3000-cups-of-tea_1396643715

The also provide a trailer of the movie they are making which everyone interested in this story should watch.

http://3000cupsoftea.org/trailer.php
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Apr 19, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
Ah, I see.

Now the donations that people give to take care of little girls will be diverted to documentary maker's pockets:

Having helped us with both of our expeditions through the troubled and fractious Northern Territories of Pakistan, Mortenson had become a friend and colleague.

We are still gathering information and interviews and remain open to where the story is taking us.

NO ONE can look at the first minute of the "fundraising trailer" and have any doubt about where they are directing this story.

The good news is that such an effort will forever destroy their credibility as documentarians, and we'll never have to suffer through their tripe again.

Jeff and I were also confused: we had seen the schools and met the man, so none of what we were watching made sense. We decided to find out for ourselves what had happened -- with Mortenson, with his schools, and perhaps, with the state of American journalism.
3,000 Cups of Tea is the result of that investigation.

Note the PAST TENSE. So much for the email written on the 12th that says they will go where the story takes them, since they are already done, and were done before they started.
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 19, 2014 - 01:38pm PT
So now, three years after the 60 mins report, is when they get around to defending him?

Why the prolonged silence?

rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Apr 19, 2014 - 03:45pm PT
kind of pathetic....
but they did get one thing right, when journalists smell blood they see money. Goes with the territory. But it does seem evident that the flick isn't looking for the Truth, but is another slick promo campaign.

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 19, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
Thanks for sharing this Kathryn:
"@Stitch, Colorado Springs

My poem which you so object to is copyrighted material which you did not contact me for permission to use. The fact you named me in no way gave you permission. You were also ignorant of the reasons why I wrote that poem, as during my coverage my personal email was hacked "spying on school teachers is no way to win a court case", personal emails between myself, attorneys on all sides and the CAI were all harvested, placed in file folders and disseminated all over the U.S. and German (Random House headquarters). To say I was angry is quite obvious. The folders were named "Mortenson" "Discovery" and "Haddon" and I began receiving "love notes" on instant message from "Mohommed" and "Abdul". Obviously some Krakauer supporter or worse, the Plaintiffs were involved in violating my account and I had every right to express my opinion which turned out to be correct.

The motion was made of swiss cheese, there was not one single cited criminal act in the motion which is why they kept requesting permission to amend it. It was dismissed by Judge Samuel Hadden in March of 2012, and Drury persists in an appeal.

And to update my "fan" and "frenemies" where on Supertopo, the man who actually wrote Three Cups of Tea committed suicide last Thanksgiving after being bankrupted and having his reputation ruined because Krakauer got pissed off at Greg Mortenson. Krakauer's insincere condolences to David Relin's widow was insincere as within days his friend and editor Tina Brown runs he article "Is it time to forgive Greg Mortenson yet?"

Gee, after causing the death of one writer, refusing to cooperate with the class action law suit that had one source and one source only Krakauer, he has blood on his hands and all of you who supported him do too.

For those who have on this thread have questioned my academic and professional credentials, I am a graduate of the UND, both in journalism and my Maser's degree is in English, I am an examiner with the British Council here in China and have worked in central Asia for nearly 9 years.

I'm sick of seeing this thread come up when my name is Googled, and for those "dainty" climbers who were offended by my language, please allow me to quote you when someone violates your private email box and sends its contents all over hell and high water.

Krakauer did not kill Mortenson (though he timed it to hopefully have that affect since he was awaiting open heart surgery), Relin is dead, but Mortenson is still in Afghanistan, he did build the schools he said he built, his books still sell world-wide and the CIA is stronger than ever with NO THANKS TO THE KRAK.

Karma will deal with Mr. Krakauer. There is an avalanche with his name on it coming. That's what happens when you piss off the dead."

For myself, I have no idea what the truth really is with Mortenson. I will say that the hit job that Krakauer published about Anatoli Boukreev in his earlier work (Into Thin Air) seemed widely condemned as falsehoods - and was enough to make me disbelieve anything he says.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 19, 2014 - 05:33pm PT
Well, Sully, if recent events are any indication, those 'legions' probably
don't want to raise their educated heads, let alone voices, for fear of
being blown up. But I rather doubt there are legions. But it does seem
like they did quite a bit of good in some places even if none of those
'legionaires' got to ride on Mortensen's bizjet.

edit:
Hey, Sully, you deleted! For shame! ;-)
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Apr 19, 2014 - 06:59pm PT
, Relin is dead, but Mortenson is still in Afghanistan, he did build the schools he said he built, his books still sell world-wide

Well, the author of the book did not kill himself because of bankruptcy...if his books are selling all over the world, now did he????

Another lie, like all the rest.

Couchmaster, you have an unusual perspective on Krakauer. I've read all the books written by every climber that was on the mountain that day in '96 that have written one, and talked to several. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them supports Krakauer, except Anatoli, whose book was ghost written by a non climber.
Bad Climber

climber
Apr 19, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
Uh, Mortenson would NOT have been forcibly removed from power of his own foundation had there not been serious infractions on his part. The guy was out of control--and admitted it. As we know, Krakauer gave Mortenson quite a bit of cash, so his outrage at the waste of these funds is totally justifiable. Krakauer in NO WAY killed that ghost writer. What would we do, not pursue the truth because some sad, depressed character might take his own life, really? Just let folks squander charity funds right and left? Krakauer's was no hatchet job. Also--and get this straight--he repeatedly admits that Mortenson has done some genuine good, built some schools, helped people, but those deeds didn't allow Krakauer--and shouldn't allow us--to overlook what Mortenson was doing to his charity, i.e. OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

As for the Anatoli thing, read the follow-up edition to Into Thin Air. Krakauer deals with the complaints effectively.

Mostly I'm sad about the whole affair. Three Cups of Tea was a great work--but too much fiction, me thinks.

BAd

BAd
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Apr 19, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
Ken,

The Sherpas back Anatoli's version.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 19, 2014 - 11:44pm PT
...if only they could write....:-) I'm teasing, westerners are often astounded how well traveled Sherpas are. Did you catch that Ken?




Thanks Jan.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Apr 20, 2014 - 01:44am PT
AGAIN, couch, one has to look at the sherpa culture, and how they react to different people.

Inasmuch as they hero worshiped Anatoli, because of his climbing strength, SAID things in support of him.

However, the facts are not in dispute.

He climbed without oxygen. People like Ed Viesturs WILL NOT CLIMB WITHOUT when guiding. They consider it unethical, at least that is what he said directly to me.

There is no dispute that when the sh*t hit the fan, he went down, and left his clients behind to fend for themselves, while he go hot water and oxygen to take back up. Terrible judgement. In my occupation, that is abandonment....and it is in guiding, too.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 23, 2014 - 12:04am PT
Ken M said:
"There is no dispute that when the sh*t hit the fan, he went down, and left his clients behind to fend for themselves, while he go hot water and oxygen to take back up. "

Nope. There is dispute and that is exactly what is being disputed.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Apr 23, 2014 - 12:28am PT
sorry, it is NOT disputed, not even by the Sherpa, and not by Anatoli in his book. He went down when his clients got into trouble. He didn't wear O's.

He heroically went back up, an amazing feat.

The sherpa take on it was "wow, he went back up, isn't he just the most amazingly strong climber, we love him".

but they do not dispute the facts. he went down and left his climbers, he did not use O's.

If you have something else, let's hear it.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Apr 23, 2014 - 01:21am PT
Ken M, you weren't there when people who were, did what they did.

Altitude is a great separator of "team mates" both guided or band of climbers style.

You are right Jim, I was not there.

I have personally spoken with 4 people who WERE there. I have corresponded with several others, and I have read every book written by anyone who was there.

But that doesn't change the fact that when I ask you for something in dispute, you have nothing.

I asked you to put up, but you don't.

But since it is your measuring stick, where on the mountain were you?
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Apr 23, 2014 - 01:53am PT
Where on the mountain were you Ken? You're doing allot of sh#t talking about an incredible climber and guide. The man did what had to be done to survive, and to assist in the survival of those he was with, of that I have no doubt. I only doubt your qualification to judge him.
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