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Gorgeous George

Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
Apr 18, 2011 - 05:26pm PT
"The truth uncompromisingly told always has its ragged edges." Herman Melville.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
Apr 18, 2011 - 06:03pm PT
GG, that one belongs in the favorite quotes thread.

.....

If the hairless ape weren't egoistic or greedy, then (a) plastic tits wouldn't exist; (b) he never would've conquered El Cap or the moon.
Gal

Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
Apr 18, 2011 - 06:10pm PT
If Americans could understand honesty, plastic tits wouldn't exist.


Haha-nor viagra ;)

I hope the truth is somewhere in the middle and GM refocuses to actually achieve the goal with some provable results (as Riley commented). Jan-good insights, agreed a lot of obstacles with 3rd world. This whole thing sucks. Even if he has 65% truth to what he has been trying to do and accomplishing results, then I'm happy. And maybe he can clean it up now going forward. He was a big hero to me, and it hurts my heart to think he has done bad.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 18, 2011 - 06:21pm PT
This whole thing sucks. Even if he has 65% truth to what he has been trying to do and accomplishing results, then I'm happy. And maybe he can clean it up now going forward. He was a big hero to me, and it hurts my heart to think he has done bad.

Don't worry, I think GM has already cleaned up very, very well!!
TKingsbury

Trad climber
MT
Apr 18, 2011 - 06:22pm PT
WBraun

climber
Apr 18, 2011 - 06:24pm PT
Maybe GM will invite FortMental for lunch serving a knuckle sandwich.

Talking sh'it from behind your coward avatar .....
WBraun

climber
Apr 18, 2011 - 06:40pm PT
Never saw your post FM

OK you get nice ham sandwich ... :-)
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 18, 2011 - 06:45pm PT
'Three Cups of Tea' Publisher to Review Book After '60 Minutes' Report
Seems that the publisher doesn't share the view of some of the blowhards on this thread that there's anything wrong with 60 Minutes' journalism:

"In a statement, Viking, an imprint of Pearson PLC's Penguin Group (USA), praised Mr. Mortenson's humanitarian efforts but noted that " '60 Minutes' is a serious news organization, and in the wake of their report, Viking plans to carefully review the materials with the author." "

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704821704576271202187464110.html
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Apr 18, 2011 - 06:59pm PT
I've read both sides and watched the 60 Minutes video. From what I've seen (so far), if I were a major donor, I wouldn't cut ties with CAI, but I would insist on yearly audits and a more independent board going forward. Also, maybe it's time for Mortenson to retire as CEO while still remaining involved.
Gorgeous George

Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
Apr 18, 2011 - 07:46pm PT
Having read the byliner article by Kraukauer (a must for anyone venturing an opinion here) I hope the f*#king IRS conducts an investigation. If GM has been using the NGO to market his book and associated tour, he needs to go to jail. I cannot countenance theft on such a grand scale using the veneer of "good intentions" to hide behind.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Apr 18, 2011 - 08:14pm PT
ot everyone here agreed with Krakauer's conclusions, but I don't remember anyone accusing him of purposely fabricating anything.

Also, I read many of the accounts of the Everest disaster and all geneally supported Krakauer with the exception of Boukrev's.

If anyone can point to even one instance of Krakauer fabricating anything in his book, please point them out. Fabricating facts and disagreeing with someone's interpretation of the facts are two different things.

We know that Mortenson fabricated facts in his book. WHEN CONFRONTED, MORTENSON HAS OPENLY ADMITTED TO DOING SO.

I challenge the Krakauer haters to find even ONE example where Krakauer fabricated facts like Mortenson has--again Mortenson has admitted to doing so.

Edit: This post was in response to Owlman's post. He said that he was Mortenson's next door neighbor and slammed Krakauer. He deleted his post.
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland
Apr 18, 2011 - 08:24pm PT
Fattrad, put me down for 20 bucks on Mortenson, he looks like he has been eating well and could take little Jon.

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Apr 18, 2011 - 08:32pm PT
FICTION, in Three Cups of Tea:

From his base in Haji Ali’s home, Mortenson settled into a
routine. Each morning and afternoon he would walk briefly
about Korphe,
accompanied, as always, by children tugging
at his hands…. Off the Baltoro, out of danger, he realized just
how precious his own survival had been, and how weakened
he’d become. He could barely make it down the switchback
path that led to the river…. Wheezing his way back up to the
village, he felt as infirm as the elderly men who sat for hours
at a time under Korphe’s apricot trees, smoking from hookahs
and eating apricot kernels. After an hour or two of poking
about each day he’d succumb to exhaustion and return to stare
at the sky from his nest of pillows by Haji Ali’s hearth.

FACT, according to Mortenson now:

http://outsideonline.com/adventure/travel-ga-greg-mortenson-interview-sidwcmdev_155690.html?page=3

Q: But you stand by the Korphe story as it was written?

Mortenson: Well, there are discrepancies that, again, have to do with compression of events.




Q: Still, there are clear discrepancies between that version and what’s in Three Cups of Tea. In the book, you’re described as being in Korphe overnight, but now you think you were really there only a few hours. In the book, it says you went back to Korphe as soon as you could, and it’s during this second trip that you and Hajj Ali talk about you building a school there someday. When did that actually happen?

Mortenson: The second scene in Korphe about building a school happened in September 1994, a year later.

Q: Then there was quite a bit of literary compression going on. You entered the village in September 1993, but you went back a year later, not a few days later, and talked about the school?

Mortenson: That’s correct.

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Apr 18, 2011 - 08:40pm PT
Graniteclimber, look into another book of his (not mountain or Mormon related) and you'll find controversy regarding taking down an American hero. Trust me on this one.

Trusting you has nothing to do with it. Is Krakauer a liar or isn't he?

I just pointed out a passage in Mortenson's book that Mortenson now admits has factual fabrications.

If there are examples like this in Krakauer's writings, please point them out.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Apr 18, 2011 - 08:53pm PT
I did some googling. I don't think I found what you want me to find. Post the links. Or if you are afraid to do that, post the exact google search terms and the numbers of the results I should look at.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 18, 2011 - 09:01pm PT
NBC picked up the story and reported today's statement by Viking.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Apr 18, 2011 - 09:11pm PT
To make this thread on topic.


Endnote 1 to the Byliner article.

"According to Three Cups of Tea (pages 10 and 44), Mortenson
was an accomplished mountaineer who, before attempting
K2, had made “half a dozen successful Himalayan ascents,”
including climbs of 24,688-foot Annapurna IV and 23,389-
foot Baruntse, both of which are in Nepal. But there is no
record in the American Alpine Journal (which meticulously
documents all ascents of Annapurna IV, Baruntse, and other
major Himalayan peaks) of Mortenson reaching the summit
of, or even attempting, any Himalayan mountain prior to
1993. Scott Darsney, Greg’s climbing partner on K2, confirms
that Mortenson had never been to the Himalaya or Karakoram
before going to K2."

squish

Social climber
bc
Apr 18, 2011 - 10:33pm PT
JK went on Wiltsie and Hornbein's departure from the CAI board, which was in 2004, a long time ago. Maybe JK had another project on the go, why now?
Anyhow, Wiltsie and Hornbein are very credible and worldly enough to know how local issues (payouts) work. They did not want their names associated with the CAI for their personal reasons. JK had worked with Wiltsie in the past, Queen Maud Land that I know of, so was privy to his views and probably the reason he was a donor.


Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Apr 18, 2011 - 11:34pm PT
the American Alpine Journal (which meticulously documents all ascents of Annapurna IV, Baruntse, and other major Himalayan peaks

Does the AAJ in fact document all ascents of Himalayan peaks? It documents major ascents, generally only new routes.

Second, wouldn't Annapurna IV and Baruntse be considered medium Himalayan peaks, although perhaps a major ascent could still be made on them?

If GM climbed one or the other peak (or both) by a trade route, hardly a surprise that it wasn't recorded in the AAJ. And it seems unlikely that anyone in 1993 would attempt K2 as a first Himalayan or Karakoram peak.
Chute

Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
Apr 18, 2011 - 11:52pm PT
Check out this link to Jon Krakauer's essay "Three Cups of Deceit". Jon has written a 90 page expose of problems with Mortensons charity and refuting a lot of the claims Mortenson has made about his accomplishments.
http://byliner.com/
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