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deuce4
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Hobart, Australia
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Apr 18, 2011 - 04:51am PT
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John Moosie-
Ah, the endowment argument makes sense--build the lasting legacy. The alternative is--just help in the present as best you can--and it's pretty clear that there's a lot of help needed in the present over there.
But perhaps it would be difficult to find trusted associates to hand money to over there.
I still wonder why he was so cagey about being interviewed, and why, on a number of occasions over the past years, he enhanced his stories--I reckon the origin story is forgivable, but to continue enhancing in a pointless way, something else might be up?
I guess we'll see how it all plays out.
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Ain't no flatlander
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Apr 18, 2011 - 09:30am PT
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Wonder what the Dzi Foundation could do with all the money that went into paying for private jets. Sometimes small, scrappy NGOs get more done with less than the high flying, full zuit NGOs.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Apr 18, 2011 - 09:59am PT
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Frankly this thread makes me sick! A bunch of pompous blowhard jackwads sitting in the plush comfort of their easy chairs decrying someone who IS making a difference. What have any of you POS complainers done with your lives? Go back to watching American Idol or Dancing with the Stars or what ever useless masturbation that constitutes the "value" of your existence. In other words go blow yourselves!
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Stewart Johnson
climber
lake forest
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Apr 18, 2011 - 10:16am PT
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yep a sixty minute piece on the fuped up bankers and corrupt politics in this country would not fly.
lets go after the little guy, whos done more
good than all the bombs of merica,and whos done more good than all of us put together.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Apr 18, 2011 - 10:49am PT
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"I want to hear Mortisen's side of the story, which he doesn't seem to want to give."
According to the Bozeman article, Mortenson was recently diagnosed with a hole in his heart(how poignant.....), and is undergoing a medical procedure THIS WEEK. Is it REALLY THAT hard to believe that he may be unable to launch a damage control campaign at the snap of a finger?
I do NOT find all these accusations damaging, but I know, unfortunately, that most will jump on the "the crook!" bandwagon. Again, I DO see that the sloppy accounting within the organization has created this mess. It's too bad that this wasn't addressed years ago, when Three Cups launched the growth within the organization. But as of now - The story is Spin.
And when they have to hire an expensive PR person to assist in dealing with this problem, people are going to piss and cry about wasted money.
I DO hope, and expect, that a thorough accounting is going to be done by a reputable agency, as a part of the response. It will take some time. And yes, it is likely that people will say "All that money for bribes???" and think it really went into the man's pocket. Because so many love to see a trainwreck of another - so long as it's not themselves! For the xians - "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:06am PT
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According to the Bozeman article, Mortenson was recently diagnosed with a hole in his heart(how poignant.....), and is undergoing a medical procedure THIS WEEK. Is it REALLY THAT hard to believe that he may be unable to launch a damage control campaign at the snap of a finger?
GM's supporters seem to have a hard time following this. As has been pointed out, 60 Minutes tried for months to speak with GM--they only showed up at his book tour when those efforts proved futile.
Lots of defenses of him are that "sloppy accounting" isn't the worst thing in the world, but none of the charges against him were for sloppy accounting!
The private jet was a "tipping point" fact for me--there may be occasional exceptions, but in general, when someone is flying a private jet, they're literally burning money for their ego.
I hope the IRS brings this guy down!
Edit: Philo--why the hostility? Isn't it a good thing that a crook is exposed?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:08am PT
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philo,
is it so hard for you to believe that a person can become addicted to playing hero after a taste of the real drug?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:28am PT
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"As has been pointed out, 60 Minutes tried for months to speak with GM"
According to the Bozeman article, GM is quoted as "...."60 Minutes" had spent several months investigating him, but didn't try to contact him until March 30, and only gave him a chance to respond "at the 11th hour." He said Kroft ambushed him with a camera crew at an event in Atlanta where he was speaking to ninth-graders. Mortenson said he declined to give an on-air interview."
March 30th. Not months. And that he declined to give an on-the-spot interview seems ODD to people?
Anyone who is on the "Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh MY!" bandwagon - DO please take a moment to read the Bozeman article, The link is here:
http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/article_4d3125cc-67d7-11e0-b861-001cc4c002e0.html
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sempervirens
climber
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:37am PT
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What's Krakauer's motivation? He pulled out his support 'cause he didn't like what's happening. He notes that GM did a lot of good. And now he's going public with this information that damns GM. But why? Is it just to reveal the truth? Are his motivations altruistic? Is he pissed at GM? I don't think Krakauer needs the publicity. I hope he doesn't need the money after all he's done. Does 60minutes pay those who go on the show; I expect they do.
If GM has been dishonest then he should fess up, IMO. The media's lack of attention to the greater rip-offs of the world is no reason to let GM off the hook. Still I wonder, why is Krakauer doing this?
Either way this whole affair is disappointing.
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Morgan
Trad climber
East Coast
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Apr 18, 2011 - 12:04pm PT
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Waiting for the Montana contingent to weigh in: Brokaw, Tackle, Chabot, Anker . . .
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raymond phule
climber
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Apr 18, 2011 - 12:07pm PT
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March 30th. Not months. And that he declined to give an on-the-spot interview seems ODD to people?
So words against words.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 18, 2011 - 12:38pm PT
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This what fame and money can do to a good person. He's rotten now.
And it's a f*#king shame. I think he did mean well initially.
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raymond phule
climber
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Apr 18, 2011 - 12:46pm PT
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Have someone linked directly to the organizations own homepage where they answer some questions?
http://ikat.org/
To me it seems that most of the accusations are quite true but that they might not be that important.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 18, 2011 - 12:51pm PT
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OK I just read the links giving GM's and CAI's responses.
Amazing to me that some of you seem to think they exonerate him. To me, they are further evidence of guilt.
Just one random example:
**13. We have been told that the bulk of these travel expenses involve Mr. Mortenson’s
speaking engagements. We are also told the reason the expenses are so high is because Mr.
Mortenson frequently travels privately on chartered jets at CAI’s expense. Is this correct? Can
you tell us the amount of expenses CAI incurred for Mr. Mortenson’s travel on chartered
aircraft?**
As a result of Greg’s aggressive speaking schedule and, in particular, the significant security
risks that arise due to CAI’s programmatic focus, he and CAI staff sometimes travel on
chartered flights. The amounts vary depending on the time period.
LOL--he's having the foundation pay for private jet trips to promote his book (from which he derives mucho $$$$). He's a crook, he's been caught, and some of you suckers have the same mentality that causes a certain percentage of the population to believe that OJ was framed by the LAPD.
By the way, I stand by what I said about 60 Minutes trying to contact him for months. From the 60 Minutes transcript:
(CBS News) He dismissed our initial request for an interview last fall, and our follow-up messages and e-mails over the past two weeks have gone unanswered. So we decided to seek him out at a speaking engagement and book-signing in Atlanta.
One thing I agree with some of his defenders on--anyone interested in this should read all the transcripts linked to and draw his own conclusions.
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Apr 18, 2011 - 12:52pm PT
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feeding frenzy...
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 18, 2011 - 01:04pm PT
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On 60 minutes they showed a copy of a document they said was contacting GM in advance of the 11th hour "ambush"
That's part of my souring on GM's response. Even if they were contacting him for the first time, he totally blew them off and had them kicked out. Not the response of a forthcoming dude with nothing to hide.
Peace
Karl
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 18, 2011 - 01:04pm PT
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I am going to wait for the truth to come out, and it will. It's interesting that so many people, my wife included, applaud 60 Minutes and their tactics when they are exposing some "bad" guy, but then condemn them when they feel that the target is a "good" guy.
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Roger Breedlove
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Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Apr 18, 2011 - 01:23pm PT
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I am going to wait for the truth to come out, and it will. It's interesting that so many people, my wife included, applaud 60 Minutes and their tactics when they are exposing some "bad" guy, but then condemn them when they feel that the target is a "good" guy.
Uh Jim..., how many times have you been married. Heehe.
By the way, you have posted your comment three times on this thread, I think. It sounds as if you know something about the details of the way Mortensen runs CAI or something about the 60 Minutes reporting. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 18, 2011 - 01:25pm PT
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Ban him from Supertopo. it's the right thing to do.
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