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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 7, 2011 - 09:38pm PT
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Suggested by Spencer L, and first posted by Dr. F on the Flanderfest thread.
This project is worthy of it's own thread.
Let's give back to someone who has done a lot for all of us.
At work now.
Details to follow.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Shouldn't you check if this is okay with Todd?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Details please.
Do they need any lighting/electrical work?
I would be delighted to come down for a working / climbing trip.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Or don't tell them and do it all while they are at work. Like a those home makeover reality tv shows.
Kidding, just kidding. Really.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Gonna' bump this back up to the top, so we don't dilute the Flanders thread.
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F10
Trad climber
e350 / Bishop
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Added a link on the Flanders thread
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2011 - 10:52pm PT
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Hope I haven't jumped the gun here.
Trying to contact Todd right now to see if this is ok.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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The Mrs. would be the one to check with.
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Barbarian
Trad climber
The great white north, eh?
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If the Mrs. okays, I'm in.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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If it's on, I'm in. Labor or $'s, either way.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Count me in.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2011 - 12:44am PT
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OK, i'm off work and at home now.
Just spent a 1/2 hour speaking with Mrs. Gordon regarding this proposed project. Understandably, she was a little surprised to get my call, since she has no idea who i am.
I guess she had a conversation with Spencer and just mentioned in passing, that they need to have some roof work done.
I asked if they might need anything for the kids, and she said no, that they were financially stable, and that the roof was just something that needed to be done some time in the future.
I told her a little bit about the party and thanked her for letting us use her house. I suggested that if we ever had another one, maybe we should think about renting a Porta Potti. I know that all those people using their one bathroom could really put a strain on their septic system. She mentioned that they did have a second bathroom, but the toilet didn't work. She said it has never worked since they lived there, and didn't know what is wrong with it.
I asked her if she had checked out the Flanderfest thread. I told her about my live updates, people jumping on Todd's computer and posting as him, and my incriminating photos posted immediately of the culprits. She thought that was funny, and was gonna make it a point to check it out.
I mentioned i brought my lap top inside to charge it up, and had trouble finding a 3 prong socket. Yep she laughed, another project.
Todd and Andrea are not poor, or asking for anyone's help, but i believe a lot of us have benefited from these people for many years. I say that this would be a nice showing of gratitude for their friendship.
I would like to propose that we organize a group of people to assist with the roofing, plumbing, and electrical issues at The Gordon Ranch.
It would probably be a good idea for one person to start trying to organize this project. If the gentlemen who came up with this idea would like to take charge, i would be happy to assist. If neither want to, or are in the position to see this project through, i would be happy to take this on.
Blair "Zip" White
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socalbolter
Sport climber
Silverado, CA
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Probably best to do it over a weekend, so that there will be a better chance of "skilled" workers showing up without having to take time off work.
Maybe pick a date a little ways out so that this thing has time to build the proper momentum and gain the requisite support, but not so late as for it to be scorching hot in Josuha Tree. Maybe mid-May? How about the 21st and 22nd?
I'm skilled at all of the three things mentioned (roofing, plumbing, electrical), and would be happy to be part of whatever work efforts become the focus. In fact, changing out the wall plugs (receptacles) couldn't be easier (assuming the house wiring includes a ground). Even if the toilet needs to be replaced in whole, that's not that expensive. If the problem is downstream from the actual toilet, a snake would probably fix that one. The roof would be the most expensive undertaking, but the install would be easy with a dozen or so people pitching in. A little coordination will be needed to come up with a list of the projects to be accomplished and then specific assignments can be made and materials gathered.
By all means though, this should be a party and celebration of Joshua Tree, Todd, and all that both have provided in our community's collective life. I imagine this being somewhat like the barn-raisings of days gone by.
The idea of another gear sale would probably be good, as everyone has something of value that they could do without. The proceeds could be awarded to Todd so that he can continue on his quest to install metal in as much of the grainy rubble piles he chooses to frequent as possible. Of course that's just one possible use...
GORDOFEST 2011...who's with me?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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If Todd and Andrea approve, I too am in. lynne
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Count me in for whatever needs to be done too.
I'm in!
TY
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2011 - 01:37am PT
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Got Andrea's approval.
Should i ask Todd too?
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socalbolter
Sport climber
Silverado, CA
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With as much time as Todd spends on this site, he probably already knows...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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If we have "approval" than we need to move forward. Whose in command ?
Craig F and Dave E. what do yo suggest ?
EDIT: Thinking about it ..... this could be a win/win. Looked at it from this vantage we are merely fixin' up the family's place so mo' betta' times can be had by all. :DD
Andrea and Todd,
Most, Most Seriously can't thank you both enough for the joy, love and help you have given others. It will come back to love you both in a very great way.
Oh yeah, we all agree....from us on Super Topo. Right On ???
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cyberdee
Trad climber
Lynwood, CA
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Currently, I am an unemployed graphic designer. But...last month I replaced 60 shingles on my roof which the wind blew off. I would be happy to help in any way possible, and I can even bring my own hammer!
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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What a great idea. If I can pull it off I'll be there. I can't think of a more deserving family. Thanks again Todd and family for letting our community be present for these events. Glad the wife and kids are OK after the car accident. Hopefully you'll get a new car out of the deal.
I do think that this will take a lot of coordinating. If a bunch of builders show up it could be mayhem with out proper direction.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Assuming that the projects are to do maintenance and repairs on the house, and a fundraiser/party, then I suggest sometime this autumn, maybe late October. After the summer's heat, and the FaceLift. That would allow time for a volunteer builder who knows these things to assess the situation, make a plan for what needs to be done, and start obtaining the labour and materials that will be needed. If it's to all take place over a weekend, it's a tight schedule. We can't just show up with hammers and good intentions.
The fundraiser/party will also take some planning. It doesn't seem likely to come together in the next month or two, which I take it means that it would need to wait until autumn.
I hope to attend and help.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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I second Anders' motion about later this Fall, since many of us are financially "tapped out" from doing the Flandersfest. For me to make the trip with $70 per fillup gasoline, my fuel cost from Wyoming was > $425 for the round trip. Then whatever I could contribute in gear and food assistance.
What type of roof is on the Gordons' house? Asphalt shingle or tar and gravel?
Zip has a great idea about a portable john, or two of them considering the turnout.
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nature
climber
Kovalum Kerala India
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Got Andrea's approval.
Should i ask Todd too?
same same
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2011 - 10:06am PT
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Green light from Todd, too.
Waiting to hear back from gentlemen who came up with the idea.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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I'm in to do the electrical. I'll speak with Todd and see what needs to be done.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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This is a great idea for a great family!
I am a semi-functional illiterate but a fully functional electrician. I would love to contribute.
And I must say Two prong un-grounded receptacles and kids don't mix. Easy to remediate.
Next questions;
What year was the house built?
Aluminum or copper wire?
How many amps does the service panel (circuit breaker box) have?
What brand (GE, SquareD, ITE) is the service panel?
If it is a FEDERAL PACIFIC it Must be changed! also easy to do.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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great idea.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Yup me too, would love to return to J-Tree as my strength returns! Keep us posted! Susan
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Craig-
If we can do this AFTER the Summer heat and towards the Fall climbing season, it would be lots more feasible for many folks here, but count me in.
What type of roofing is involved? Asphalt shingle, roll type roofing, tar & gravel?
Philo already asked about the main electrical panel; if possible just get a picture of it
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Philo, coordinate with me. I'll have all those answers soon.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Thanx rlf, will do. Like Brokedown suggests a picture is worth a buncha werds.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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I'll drop by soon and take a look. Take some pics and send them off to you! We'll know it out!
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Craig-
Then the hard part will be stripping off the old schitt before putting down new builder's felt. That will be hot and hard work if we wait too much longer... Need to haved copious coolers of beer handy for the laboring slaves.
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Though my construction skills are limited to operating a shovel and wheelbarrow, I'm more than willing to donate my time and effort for the non-technical tasks. I'd be happy to help provide food and drink for the worker bees.
One thought: it would be good if the roofing project could be done this Spring in order to protect from the mid-summer thunderstorms, which can get pretty intense.
Brandt Allen
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2011 - 12:47pm PT
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Who is taking the lead on this project?
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Count me in, multi tasker reporting for duty. The leader should be a local bro/sista. Cheers, Jude
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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I humbly volunteer as coordinator for this worthy project. I'm here in town close to Todd's house, and just finished building a garage at my own home, so I have a general idea of how these things work. If this is agreeable to others, bring it on!
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socalbolter
Sport climber
Silverado, CA
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If it's a tar and gravel roof now, is this what works best out there and should it stay that way moving forward?
Any climber/roofers out there that can help out?
If it's a comp shingle job, it's a no-brainer and can be done with unskilled labor. If we're bringing in a tanker or hot kettle and replacing it in kind, we'll need to coordinate with a roofing company that has these things.
Perhaps it's best for someone local to get an inspection of the current roof and get a scope of work and cost estimate from some local companies. Once a cost is known, we could do the initial fund-raising effort now and get the roof replaced sooner than later, with the other items and party coming in the Fall.
I agree that someone local should head up at least the construction-related issues and act as a Superintendent for the project.
When it comes time for the eventual party and work effort we'll likely end up with a lot of people that have no real construction skills. Some of these people can be directed by skilled folks, but maybe a big number can be involved in site work (i.e.: gardening, rock sculpting, grading, etc.). I could see us turning the house, yard and property into something really special for Todd, Andrea and the boys. There are a lot of creative people in our group and we could do some pretty cool looking things with the rocks already onsite without incurring much cost at all. With Dr. F's knowledge and experience with cacti, we could maybe incorporate a self-sufficient planting area. The possibilities really are endless...
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jstan
climber
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I hate asking stupid questions.
What's the pitch of this roof?
What do you get when you put a square on it?
The accepted minimum for shingles is 3 in 12. Though with adaptations and moderate wind 1 in 12 can work.
It all depends on how much you hate working with black sh#t.
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MisterE
Social climber
Cinderella Story, Outa Nowhere
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Need a dumpster for the old roofing, as well as a bunch of flat-bladed shovels. The roofing companies have special ones with teeth and a pry fulcrum. Maybe if it is on a weekend, we can borrow some of those for a day from a local roofing contractor.
You guys need to determine if there are any "weak" spots in the roof, check the supports in the attic, etc. Also, how many layers of old roofing are on there (for disposal volume AND weight considerations: determining how many people you are going to have on the roof and where).
Just a few thoughts. Skip and I would like to help.
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jstan
climber
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Landfill costs for disposal of construction materials is now $55/ton. Trucked urself.
The indicated roof appears to be a little more than 2 in 12 and has penetrations. Where is the leak? You may just have a problem at the penetrations. Those could be perfectly good shingles on that roof.
No point in putting Todd's Oakie rating in jeopardy.
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Gene
climber
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Is this the roof in question? There may be other photos on the Flanders thread which is where I lifted these.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Todd,
What do you have to say about this?
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jstan
climber
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Dean:
I have not so far interacted with B&S. With the state cutbacks the Yucca Valley office is open only one day a week, the clerks come down from Big Bear, and the single inspector has to do 40 inspections each day. Use your imagination to guess the result of all this.
(As long as I have not put a lot of money in my improvement it makes sense any purchaser will pay cash and hire a D8 at escrow.)
If the leak is confined to the right corner you probably have a point failure part way toward the ridge or the water is being driven in at the end. I would say the thing to do is to get a half dozen shingles and fix it.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Do it up, figure it out. Make it happen. Some roofing EXPERT needs to evaluate the roof (step one) and determine how extensive the actual damage is. Then it would be possible to come up with a plan and logistical approach.
Although it is late in the season, some years the most torrential rain happens during the summer, August monsoons.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Most precip in August
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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I am dumb but I can take direction. I will strip the old or lay the new. I have meager masonary skills as well.
Use me.
Rob
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Gene
climber
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Strong back, weak mind - I can help.
Weak back, strong mind - I can cook.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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If you do this before middle of June I'll help too..... Laborer, cook, whatever. After that hope to be at Tioga Pass. Let's get this up and going. :D
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Here is my two cents worth. I have done a bunch of roofs. The angle on Todd's roof is pretty low angled for composition shingles; which may be why its leaking. Therefore a tar and gravel roof would be superior. But a bigger pain in the ass to do. Also depending on how long its been leaking there could be structural damage!
If there is going to be a Gordofest the more time and thought that went into it the better the outcome. Really organize and prepare for a full on assault. Give it some time to assess the needs, gather material and man power for both the work and the party, and to regroup from the last gathering.
The climbing community is obviously wanting to be part of this worthy cause and I would like to see it happen over the few days it would need to do it right. It is however an invasive process. With the man and woman power available there is so much that could be done besides the roof. I am sure there is a pretty good size honey-do list.
Somebody locally with the know how and time working with the Gordon's could step up and create job tasks (windows, electrical, painting, plumbing, roofing, heating/cooling etc) create the material list, time frames necessary so that when we do gather again its productive endeavor.
What makes since to me is to take a few months to gather the momentum, money, material and expertise. Then after the Yosemite Facelift in the beginning of October when is cooler regroup for a Gordon facelift fest.
I hope this makes sense and the project comes to fruition. I would very much like to be there to help out. I am very curious how it will shake out.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2011 - 09:12am PT
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I believe that HandCrack has said that he/she is going to take the lead in coordinating this project.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Yup-- H has nailed it. You don't want to push off from shore without enough money, marbles and chalk to complete the job.
As you all know, the work has to be welcomed willingly. This is a seensitive topic but it seems like the groundwork for acceptance has already been done.
I would gladly contribute at least with some $$ on this end. Would be hard to make it again to SoCal this year.
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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After speaking with Todd last night I've been given the go ahead to be the center of communications for this project. Robert (rlf) has agreed to head up the electric work. I've been in touch with a possible roofing crew leader and am waiting to hear back from him. The first order of business will be to meet up at Todd's house and inspect the site to determine exactly what needs to be done and hopefully get some idea of the cost involved.
I'll post up more when we have developed a more fixed plan regarding work dates, etc. In the meantime, anyone who wants to contribute to the work can let me know at lballenjr@gmail.com and I'll add your name to the list of volunteers.
Brandt Allen
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nature
climber
Kovalum Kerala India
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If this happens in the fall I'll be happy to help out. That is unless y'all mind eating sushi.
I've also done construction work in the past but I'm not one for taking charge on projects like that so perhaps just operating my knives is enough?
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F10
Trad climber
e350 / Bishop
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Brandt, put me on the list. I can help out with labor and $$
I have been in involved with several building trades,
James Barnett
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Sounds good James.
If you (and everyone else) could email me with your contact info that would be very helpful.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I'm willing to send a check if Todd will start posting using paragraphs. ;)
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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"I'm willing to send a check if Todd will start posting using paragraphs. ;)"
He's a teacher Ron, that will never happen...
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F10
Trad climber
e350 / Bishop
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Kindergarden, what do you want ?
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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I'll help with food stuff, and light sort of work, so count me in.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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I've been given the go ahead to be the center of communications for this project.
Handcrack, Jr., communicator to the world since 1952.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2011 - 03:45pm PT
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Brandt,
way to step up.
when you get ready to start delegating duties, please contact me.
blair
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Brant and Zip good job. Thanks for taking this on. I was just there and have to recoop some before I head back down there. I could physically help out in the fall. I have been in the trades for 30 plus years. Also I have a bunch electric and plumbing material too. Get a list going and see what our community can offer up!
What would the Gordons dream remodel look like?
Brandt I will email you my contact info.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2011 - 10:34pm PT
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H,
thx, but i haven't done anything yet.
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Dickbob
climber
Colorado
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Did I see something about a need to get the "gym" up to par. Might be my gig. Let me know how I could help
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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If you characters are going to do a new roof for Todd and family, use these Code guidelines. At any rate, the slope is very low and has to have underlayment; perhaps that is why they have leaks.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 12, 2011 - 01:11am PT
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Thanks for the concern and willingness to help out. Yeah;..we have roof problems. Everytime rain is forecast, I used to get excited; wild flowers, thunder showers, lightning, and we need it in the desert with 3-5" of rain a year. But with the roof problems, I don't like the rain forecast. I've tried to repair it myself....many times, but I suck at fixing things, and I believe it's the wrong type of roof anyways. We used to have the tar and rocks roof, and that worked fine for 30 or so years...this shingle job has lasted about 10 years...and shingles were blowing off from day one. Anyways, thanks for you all and your willingness to give, help out, and get involved in a project that I can't do or afford by myself....thanks you, and good luck. Todd Gordon and family.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Apr 12, 2011 - 01:26am PT
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The angle on Todd's roof is pretty low angled for composition shingles; which may be why its leaking. Therefore a tar and gravel roof would be superior. But a bigger pain in the ass to do. Also depending on how long its been leaking there could be structural damage!
Maybe, but it's a common angle for the region. The tar/rocks is becoming a historical artifact. How long since most folks here have hot-tarred a roof? We used to do it in summertime. H?
(there's a lovely socal august.) And yr. right, once it's peeled back, there may be some fun with joists. But the major expense is the labor, so if folks are available, that shouldn't be a barrier.
Unfortunately, my free time is in the summer. and as much as I love Todd and Andrea, the prospect of re-roofing the Ranch in August is pretty daunting.
Late October/early November would be prime, if folks were available then.
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Apr 12, 2011 - 11:16am PT
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A brief update-
I've heard from a large number of people willing to contribute their time or money. Thanks for all your offers!
So far we have people in chrage of electric and plumbing jobs. The great need at this time is for someone to volunteer to take charge of the roofing project. Clearly a local would be best, but if anyone is willing to travel here that could work as well. If you're willing to take on this task please get in touch with me. Another option would be to hire a local roofer, but this would greatly add to the costs involved.
My hope is that we can get this done before the heat of the summer sets in. For this to happen we have to act fast. This week I'll be checking on some things with the county building department.
Thanks again to all the folks who have offered to help so far. I'll be in touch when plans are firmed up.
Brandt Allen
email: lballenjr@gmail.com
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jstan
climber
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Apr 12, 2011 - 11:54am PT
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Oof!
I guess I could understand shingles blowing off like that if the decking is badly degraded due to heat/leaks. But that should show up through a lot of popped nails. 2:12 roofs here are built according to Peter's UBC code but our roof also decreased the lap to 4". A low angle roof facing the prevailing wind has a hard time of it.
Would not be surprised if the decking needs to be looked at. Home Depot's 0.45" plywood just went up a dollar to $13.97 a sheet. OSB is cheaper of course.
Brandt, I would be interested in your experience down at Building. As I remember today(Tuesday) is the day they are there. Long lines. Need to get there really early. Worse than the DMV by a factor of two.
Never done a built-up roof. Can be a bear, I think.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Apr 12, 2011 - 12:17pm PT
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Man that roof is bogus! Power feed, mast and bellweather look good though.
What about a metal roof? Easy to install, durable, long lasting and affordable.
They can be used as a rain water collection system for gardening. Unless the local ordinances prohibit such intelligent conservation.
Will the neighbors blow a biscuit if the Gordon clan enters the 21st century?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Apr 12, 2011 - 12:58pm PT
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man, i'd love to put a metal roof on my mom's house. frickin pine needles.
the last time i looked into metal roofs for residential, the initial cost was a lot higher, but of course longterm the maintenance is minimal. i've never installed one myself.
i'd be surprised if zoning up there actively forbids metal roofing.
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Apr 12, 2011 - 02:59pm PT
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Thanks for all the suggestions and comments. They only underscore the need for an experienced, professional roofer who is familiar with the local code to lead this project.
John - I recently got the final inspection for a detached garage and guestroom on my property, so I have some experience with the Building Dept. in that regard. They changed their office day to Wednesday so that's where I'll be tomorrow. I've found that going late in the day avoids the crowds and that there is often an inspector in the office at that time to answer questions.
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john hansen
climber
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Apr 12, 2011 - 03:29pm PT
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Hand crack, thanks for taking on this challange. I have been around a lot of metal roofing. Just out of curiosity I googled "roofing supplier's joshua tree ca". Then called a few of the local roofing companies to try yo find some one near there who supplies corragated metal roofing,, not much luck.
If you live in the area do you know of any roofing supply companies that I could contact for pricing info? Although I live 3000 miles away I could try to help in this way at least. Compare shingles to metal...find out who delivers ect..
A few other questions..
Have you been to the house to look at the roof? It looks like there is a split pitch on at least part of the roof, wonder what the pitch on the lower roof is? Does not appear to have any hips or valleys..
What are the dimensions of the roof ( for square footage)?
What type of plywood and under layment is under the shingles?
What length of nail ( 1/2 5/8 7/8 1 1/4?)and what type of nail pattern were used on the old roof? ( this could have a lot to do with it failing, in high wind areas they recommend 6 staggered nails high and low on the part of the shingle that is covered) Close up photo's from Todd would help.
Asphalt shingles are supposed to kind of melt together after they are installed, that is what the tar patch on the shingle at the overlap that is covered by the one above is for. You would think in J tree the melting would not be the problem, it would be easy to check and see if these shingles are adhering in this way. I think in the old days you had to remove a plastic wrap strip that covered the tar before installing, perhaps this was not done.
They have a lot of new types of underlayment now too, like Titanium UDL.
http://www.interwrap.com/titanium/udl_30_main.html
If you knew the old roof was installed improperly this might help with a decision to use shingles this time (installed correctly this time).
Just my two cents from the peanut gallery.
John Hansen
Quality Builders
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Apr 12, 2011 - 03:57pm PT
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I know that Tuckers casita at the Cohn Ranch has a relatively new metal roof. It's beautiful and functional. I would not be concerned about other fix up's til the new roof is in place.
I recently had a new cheap (asphalt ?) shingle roof put on to replace 30 year old wood shake. Home Depot quoted me nearly $25,000. My son in law did it for a little over $10,000.
If I wasn't up to my ears in making over my home to accomodate 5 more people who have moved in I would help dig in and spearhead this.
Get someone from Home Depot to come out and look at Todd's roof and tell you what exactly what needs to be done and give you an estimate. Take notes and we can go from there. Just a suggestion, Cheers....Lynne
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Apr 12, 2011 - 05:26pm PT
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In regard to John Hansen's post:
You bring up many good questions, which makes it all the more clear that whoever leads this project must know their stuff. As soon as we find this person I'll meet with him at Todd's house to see exactly what work is needed. Presumably he would know of a local source for materials and could work up an estimate for the job.
Put the word out, folks. Help find the right man for the job!
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 12, 2011 - 05:33pm PT
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Rubberized membrane w/acrylic topcoat. Works on any pitch, no issues with wind, ends with a white top coat for cooler roof, similar cost and better longevity than asphalt shingles (which have realistically about 10yr lifespan in the desert). Easily repaired.
I just had a ~1200sqft house + 4 car detached garage done for $5k materials and labor.
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Apr 13, 2011 - 01:01pm PT
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I like the rubberized membrane idea. Good luck with the projects.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Apr 13, 2011 - 01:10pm PT
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A couple of bids from local licensed roofing companies would be a good place to start. Desert roofs are a whole different animal.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2011 - 01:40pm PT
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yep, having a couple of professionals look at it would probably be the best idea.
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jstan
climber
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Apr 13, 2011 - 02:06pm PT
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There are a lot of good shingle roofs near Todd. Aerodynamically I don't see his site being unusual.
The helicopter house above the JBWD tank on Park Blvd needed a special roof, but that was unique.
I wonder if there was a problem with the installation.
Had not heard of Titanium UDL. Get a lot of bleeding out in JT and after 40 years the felt is like a
cracker. At $17/SQ($34/SQ installed) that stuff sounds almost too good to be true. Some kind of Tyvek?
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Apr 13, 2011 - 03:19pm PT
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Whats that Eric? Move to the Islands?
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Apr 15, 2011 - 12:53pm PT
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The latest news -
It looks like we were somewhat over-optimistic in thinking we could find someone in the climbing community to step forward and head up the roofing work. I've spoken with Todd and we've come up with another plan of attack. We will get in touch with local roofing contractors and have them come inspect the site, discuss various options for re-roofing, and give an estimate for the job. Hopefully the one Todd chooses will agree to let him have the demo/prep work done beforehand by volunteers, which should help cut the cost somewhat.
Presumably the electric and plumbing work can go ahead as planned.
I will be posting info on how you all can help at a future date, once we have a clearer idea of the costs involved.
Stay tuned!
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socalbolter
Sport climber
Silverado, CA
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Apr 15, 2011 - 04:31pm PT
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Brandt -
Make sure you (or Todd) request that the contractor gives you separate line item pricing for the tear-off (existing roof removal) and the new roof install. This way we'll have a value for both independently.
You can also ask them for expected allowances for roof structure or sheathing repairs. While these numbers can vary in their reliability, they will at least give us an expectation of what the contractor(s) anticipate having to deal with.
Someone mentioned upthread (Lynne?) having Home Depot submit a price. Definitely hit them up for a number, as their written scopes of work are usually pretty complete.
 Louie
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 15, 2011 - 05:18pm PT
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I've found Home Depot to be super hit and miss. For high volume installs like carpet, their contractors have to be good just to handle the volume and potential complaints. For more custom stuff, like possibly a roof, the contractors are not necessarily going to be the best available in the area. A contractor makes less money working for HD as well, and the most desperate and incompetent might see HD as an easier doorway to customers. That said, it's just a bid. Ask for and check a couple references. Also, I wouldn't expect the tear-off to save a ton. That goes down very fast. You might get your savings and quality in dealing with the roof sheating yourself and doing it right. Roofers are not carpenters. Good luck,
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Apr 17, 2011 - 01:42am PT
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I hope this project gets done for Todd and Family. Todd and then the family have given the World Wide climbing community a lot with the Gordon Ranch.
I remember way back that the water heater got so much use that it died. Everyone pitched in and got a new one.
I am sure that Todd's place is showing its age and use from all of us.
How did Todd get all those guides. And the new ones are showing up all the time. sponsorship???
Lets GIT-R-DONE
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Apr 17, 2011 - 02:41am PT
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This is how I would do it. DIY style.
Estimates
Todd's Roof = 2000 sqr feet or 1600 sqr feet
Price DIY = $5000 or $4000 ($2.5 foot)
Plan for the worst. Todd's roof will need some new OSB sheathing.
October
Assemble crew, materials, tools, drinks.
Residential Rooftop Safety Kit
Prep Work - Trap the old shingle landing spots
1) Tear off old roof (shingles, paper/felt, and some sheathing)
Tools = shingle scraper
2) Get that junk out of there to the dump.
3) Check the sheathing and rafters/roof framing. Repair as needed.
4) New sheathing/good sheathing in place.
5) Time to Felt or membrane. SHIELDGARD-MP or Bakor Low Slope or [torch-down] rolled membrane.
6) Time to shingle or metal roofing. Metal roof very inexpensive. Pick a color.
Corrugated roofing goes a long way.
7) Roof Ridge and Edges and other funky on That roof
8) Finish Flashing as needed. Maybe some gutter work too.
http://www.ehow.com/install-tin-roof/
OSB = $10ish each
Felt =$25 for 400 sqr feet
3-tab shingles = $23 each = 25 sqr feet
Nails = $50
Tools/shingle scraper = $35 ea
OSB = $10ish each
Membrane $1 sqr foot
Corrugated Roofing = $22 each 12'x26''
Screws = $50
Shovel = $35ea
How about a living roof??
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Apr 17, 2011 - 05:08am PT
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I most likely will not be part of the work party but when the time comes I will write a check to Todd for the project.
Thanks to all that get their hands dirty.
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Tomcat
Trad climber
Chatham N.H.
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Apr 17, 2011 - 09:00am PT
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Back East here we do about 50% shingles and 50% steel roofing.The Cadillac of steel roofs is standing seam,and expensive.95% of our steel roofing here is what I call agricultural steel,as used for farm structures throughout the US.
Most steel roofing is functional without any special underlayments,like Ice and Water Shield ( aka Bithuthane ), down to 2/12 so probably fine under the circumstances.Just regular felt is fine beneath if the sheathing is relatively OK.Be aware if you do use bith,you'd want a more expensive version that we use here on south facing steel,as otherwise it can heat up and melt out.Grace triflex is more durable and comes on a 10 square roll.
Steel roofing is super easy to install,and has great wind resistance.In Todd and Andrea's climate you would definitely want a really light color,or galvanized,as the typical long term wear we see here is from expansion and contraction pushing the fasteners out.
Costs for the stuff I mention is about the same as three tab asphalt here.If it's going over solid sheathing.You can order it cut to length,and we just flush up the bottom ends and predrill all the sheets on the ground.The screws are self tapping but pre-drilling makes it so easy and the finished product comes out neater.
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Guck
Trad climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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Apr 23, 2011 - 10:28pm PT
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I used titanium on my roof and the stuff is indeed incredible. It is very very tough. I had it on my house for months with nothing else, and we went through the rainy season with no problem. It needs to be nailed fairly tight with roofing nails with the plastic cup (rather than the square metal). It comes in a roll of at least 100 feet, which is great to run the entire length of the roof. I also put up a metal roof and the installation is very easy. The nice thing about the metal roof is that it does not leak or cave in, even if the sheathing is of poor quality. I would ask for a quote with these materials as it is best to do the job right rather than twice.
I can join the crew for a few days in the Fall, so count me in.
Phillip.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Apr 23, 2011 - 11:47pm PT
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I'm still in to help. When the time comes I will help rally the troops and either help with the roof or cook up food and keep the drinks cold for a three day week-end of workers. Cheers, lynne
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 24, 2011 - 12:01am PT
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Lynne,
Really?
Will you start returning e mails and phone calls at that time too?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 15, 2011 - 12:33am PT
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What happened? Did Todd get a new roof?
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Dec 15, 2011 - 12:59am PT
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No new roof yet;...still all sorts of problems when it rains.....pots and pans and containers everywhere in the kitchen and computor room on wet days....BUT......this Feb., Greg Epperson, Tucker Tech, and myself....and anyone else who wishes to help....will be putting on a new roof on the leaky part of the house......I will post up when we are about to CRUSH IT........it's gonna happen and it's gonna be very cool.....We have dealt with it this long;....a few more months and we will be mint......
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 15, 2011 - 01:21am PT
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Uh, ok
I'll be available.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 19, 2011 - 03:56pm PT
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I got a hammer......
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Dec 19, 2011 - 04:29pm PT
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I would like to be there. If I can. And if ex-pat Eldo Prancers can get a fishin' permit.
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