Gauloises, Don Whillans, the Frogs, and Climbing History.

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Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 11, 2011 - 11:46pm PT
I sadly, must share a Wikipedia article that notes the “strong & foul-tasting” Gauloises of climbing history are extinct.

“Gauloises cigarettes first appeared in 1910. The brand is most famous for its cigarettes' strength, especially in its original unfiltered version and 40 years later filtered Gauloises cigarettes appeared. In 1984 the brand was re-launched to an American type blend of light tobacco and renamed Gauloises Blondes.”

Worse yet! I have been mispronouncing Gauloises all these years!

I am going to blame it on Brit climbing photo-journalist John Cleare: who told me stories of French climbers bivouacking in their etriers, and chain-smoking Gauloises until dawn.


Here is your link to the correct Froggie pronunciation: http://www.forvo.com/word/gauloises/

For a further appreciation of the cigarette: I offer the writing of legendary British climber Tom Patey.

**A Short Walk With Whillans by Tom Patey!
Eiger North Face**

There is something about Don’s proverbial bluntness that arouses one’s admiration. Of such stuff are generals made. We had a short discussion about bivouacking, but eventually I had to agree with his arguments and occupy the outer berth. It would be less likely to induce claustrophobia, or so I gathered. 

“I’ll have one of your cigarettes,” said Don. “I’ve only brought Gauloises.” This was a statement of fact, not a question.

Then later in this classic story:

“I’m going down,” he said. “That’s what’s going on.”

“Wait a minute! Let’s discuss the whole situation calmly.” I stretched out one hand to flick the ash off my cigarette. Then a most unusual thing happened. There was a higher pitched “WROUFF” than usual and the end of my cigarette disappeared! It was the sort of subtle touch that Hollywood film directors dream about.

“I see what you mean,” I said. “I’m going down too.”



For this whole “must read” story go to the archives of Rock & Ice: http://rockandice.com/articles/people/article/687-a-short-walk-with-whillans?showall=1


Watusi

Social climber
Newport, OR
Feb 11, 2011 - 11:54pm PT
Smoked Gauloises, when I was guiding in France...Hell of of a smoke...God bless you all!!
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 11, 2011 - 11:55pm PT
bump
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2011 - 12:15am PT
Jim: I totally agree.

Smoking kills.

However: the 1960's glory of Gauloises and "tough guy" smoking: deserves to be in the history books, just like WWII.
JOEY.F

Social climber
sebastopol
Feb 12, 2011 - 12:23am PT
My favourite rolling tobacco. Unable to obtain for over 3 years.
scuffy b

climber
Three feet higher
Feb 12, 2011 - 01:11am PT
Maybe selection was limited in Chamonix in 1958?
hamie

Social climber
Thekoots
Feb 12, 2011 - 02:08am PT
So FortMental,you think that Whillans was a porridge eating Scot? Luckily for you he is dead and buried.
Cheers, H.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2011 - 11:14am PT
From a post Dangerous Dan made on ST about meeting Bridwell:

He was also smoking a Gauloises, a habit shared with another big-time climber of that era. I had met & climbed briefly with in Switzerland a few years before - Dougal Haston. It seems the more hard-core the cigarette: so also the climber.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=800705&msg=1076458#msg1076458

klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 12, 2011 - 11:12pm PT
I had thought this thread might be about Aristophanes' play

not likely, college boy.

heh.

let's start a euro philosophy and climbing thread-- simmel, serres, heidegger, mann, etc. bet that'll get some page count.

actually, randy, you should just start a serres thread so folks who aren't me, gill, and peter have a shot at that rig. haven't yet sat down with it, but the quick skim looks really good.
Mattq331

Mountain climber
Boulder/UK
Feb 13, 2011 - 04:11pm PT
Gauloises were for girls and posers (Don excluded of course).

Real men smoked Balkan Sobranies. No filter, and a cool oval cross-section.

Now that was a ciggie that made your eyes water!

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 13, 2011 - 07:44pm PT
Let's start an ancient Greek playwrights thread. Sophocles, Euripides, Aristophanes - the whole gang.

We'd have to make Anastasia post in English, though.
DanaB

climber
Philadelphia
Feb 13, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
I don't know Anders, I doubt that the ancient Greek playwrights' threads were all that interesting. Mostly rough cotton, not too many colors, pretty utilitarian stuff, I'm betting.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 13, 2011 - 08:02pm PT
Darn! I was so looking forward to the toga party.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2011 - 08:33pm PT
The Frogs!

With all the ways one could imagine "thread drift" on this topic: I never dreamed we would go to Greek Drama and now------"Toga Parties."

However, unlike Tami: I do not want to think about Base104's smoking habits.

Man, I brought a carton of those suckers back from France to impress chicks at parties or something lame.
They tasted like gasoline soaked skid mark underwear.

Frogs, Don Whillans, and Climbing History!

All safe topics.
Anastasia

climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
Feb 14, 2011 - 06:51pm PT
Most Greeks just went around naked ya know... :)
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2011 - 10:54pm PT
Ah Gauloses!

I never knew the joy of smoking that "foul tobacco."

I didn’t make it to Europe until the 1980’s.

The other problem was: my father smoked two packs a day of un-filtered Camels.

He “checked out” with a massive heart attack at age 52.



The tobacco culture was all part of the: “real men smoke a lot” ideal that came out of WWII.

Now------hopefully: heavy smoking is just lost nostalgia, for a time when people thought tobacco was cool.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 14, 2011 - 11:47pm PT
Fritz, it should be noted that Whillans also checked out in his 50's, of course he had additional help from copious amounts of alcohol.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 14, 2011 - 11:53pm PT
What did Whillans die from...? Heart attack..?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2011 - 12:07pm PT
RJ: Heart attack in his sleep. Besides the smoking and the drinking: he was very over-weight and also seemed ill. (from his biograpy).
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
Seems like an apt day to bump some history.

I know this Whillan's story has appeared elsewhere on ST, but I just found it again today.

"Don Whillans participated in the 1972 European Everest Expedition. The atmosphere was not the best among the various nationalities, no one wanted to carry loads because everyone was saving himself for a possible summit attempt.

The German climbers heard on the radio that England had lost a soccer game to Germany. The conversation went "It seems that we have beaten you in your national sport", said a proud German to Don.

After a minimal pause Don replied "Aye lad, and we've beaten you at yours, twice."

I also note this long post-mortem of that failed expedition.
http://www.himalayanclub.org/journal/post-mortem-of-an-international-expedition/
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 14, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
"A Short Walk With Whillans" is my favorite chapter of One Man's Mountains. The natural way Patey captured the essence of Don Whillans remains, to me, the best description by one climber of the personality of another climber. May they both rest in peace.

John
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 14, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
Bloke offered Whillans a menthol once, and so 'e 'it 'im!

'e did! Me da' saw it with his own blinkin' eye!

1970. I was out of Pall Malls in the Bugs, nick-fitting like mad.

A noobie's lack of planning, as Bridwell, the ciggy bum, would definitely say.

I got some GOAL WASH from the menage of Frenchmen who showed up in Boulder Camp with REAL FINE SMOKES!

They politely offered one each to each of we three, and Jeff was the non-smoker, so he saved it for we two (Bullfrog and myself) addicts to split later on.

Merci beaucoup, mes amis.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 14, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
As I recall Dandy Don took 2500 ciggies with him on the Annapurna South
Face joy ride. I don't think they were Gauloises, not that it really matters.
Or was it 5000?
Chris Jones

Social climber
Glen Ellen, CA
Nov 14, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
Gauloises were certainly the smoke of choice for my pals and I in the Chamonix of the mid 1960s. Our British cigs just didn't make it in France - too bland, as in Players, too awful, as in Woodbines, or too expensive and effete, as in Balkan Sobranie. (When I could afford to, and trying to appear sophisticated, I did smoke Balkan Sobranies in London)
.
What little we knew about the great alpine routes we dreamed of climbing was largely gathered from such wonderful books as those by Buhl, Bonatti, and Rebuffat. And one thing seemed apparent: bivouacs were nerve-wracking affairs where death stalked the unwary. The answer, we felt, was to bring lots of cigs and smoke the night away, thus avoiding never waking up. We had read about that sort of stuff!
After all, what about The Death Bivouac!
While I then smoked maybe a few cigs a day back home, in the alps we all upped our quota. This increase of cigarette consumption while actually climbing, and at relatively high altitudes, seems completely counter-intuitive, but it was all part of the scene.


mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 14, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
From the thread @ Club Vagabond.
I remember reading of Mick Burke smoking on Annapurna.

I always liked the idea of capitalist smoke blowing into China.

We get plenty of their pollution, ya know, like we used to get plenty of their smoke and mirrors propaganda.

Michael Hjorth

Trad climber
Copenhagen, Denmark
Nov 14, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
Nice picture, Chris. Did you scan more? Please...!
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Nov 14, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
I don't wish to detract from the charm of this thread, but in my mid 70s I have watched men I know a few years younger than me conking out right and left with lung, mouth, and throat cancer and heart disease. I never thought much about it when I was younger, but now I clearly see that regular smoking is one of the worst things one can do to one's body.


Edit: OK, missed your earlier comment. Sorry about your father.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
As mentioned upthread, I have reasons not to be a smoking advocate-------but I sure appreciate the contributions made to this thread about how integral smoking & especially Gauloises were to alpine climbing in the last century.

Chris Jones! Thanks for sharing your photos & memories!
Allen Hill

Social climber
CO.
Nov 14, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
Allen! Great photo of a high-altitude climber getting a fix, without the oxygen. Do you know where & when the photo is from? Everest South Face?
Allen Hill

Social climber
CO.
Nov 14, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
Over here at Club Vagabond film world, we must have two hundred old photos of smoking climbers. I'm guessing the largest collection anywhere! This one is from Everest. It's amusing and all but the best one ever is of Mick Burke pulling back on a fag in a blizzard on the rock band of Annapurna South Face. His O mask resting around his neck at 25 thousand feet.

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2013 - 12:03am PT
Allen & all! Thank you! Any more memories or photos are welcome.
Decko

Trad climber
Colorado
Nov 15, 2013 - 12:18am PT
Never write anything you'll only regret it...

Don Whillans
rmuir

Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
Nov 15, 2013 - 08:58am PT
In the seventies, we Americans were sucking on (barely) smoking bedees in front of the Bar Nash... Now there was a hard-man smoke if ever there was one!
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 15, 2013 - 09:04am PT
The picture of Don with the cig is telling. Recall that he was only 52 when he died from a heart attack. How old does he look in the picture.....puff away lads.
Chris Jones

Social climber
Glen Ellen, CA
Dec 5, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
While the quotation below is not about climbing history, it is from a new work by James Salter, author of the much-praised novel with a climbing theme, "Solo Faces."

In his recent novel, "All That Is," he writes of a romantic liason in New York as follows:

"Early one evening he sat outside smoking a cigarette and looking across at the smooth surface of the pond that was absolutely still and across to the other houses where lights were already on and a car was slowly making its way, half-hidden by trees, to one of them ...
Christine came out on the porch. She sat down beside him.
"I didn't know you smoked," she said.
"Just once in a while," he said. "I only smoke Gauloises, like the French movie stars, but you can't get them here. This is just an ordinary cigarette."

This association with movie stars would have been the clincher ....


Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Chris: Thanks for the quote. It was a different world back then.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 5, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
With the crazy, careening course of technological and cultural change, it's a different world every month or so.

edit: except at the City of Rocks
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Apr 4, 2014 - 03:00pm PT

Don Whillans and Chris Bonnington : Dovedale Groove "Climbing like a Ruptured Duck"
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BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 4, 2014 - 03:16pm PT
I figured out that rolling your own out of Samson Shag was far more pleasant and cheaper than those vile French smokes. I would chain smoke at alpine bivies with the best of em.

I was on a job with Mike Graber once. He had just barely missed making the summit of Everest without oxygen, so I refused to give him one of my Marlboro's. Eventually he just grabbed the pack.

Nicotine is my vise. At least now I can vape...

Somehow I don't see Whillans or Bridwell vaping.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 4, 2014 - 05:45pm PT
Somehow I don't see Whillans or Bridwell vaping.

Thought I posted earlier on this thread, but maybe I forgot.

Anyway, I read the biography of Whillans (The Villain.)

The author noted that when Whillans was doing his cutting-edge rock routes, he was generally "clean and sober"--didn't smoke or drink or heavily, and was light.

The fat, smoking, drunk we think of was an older, non-hard-climbing guy.

Not pointing this out to bash him--just to rebut any implication that heavy smoking and drinking sorta worked for Whillans--it really didn't.
jstan

climber
Apr 4, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
In the sixties a student in our lab from Switzerland smoked Galoises. In his 70's now and still breathing.

More impressive was another student who consumed rum river crooks with his feet up while watching his zone refiner purify GaAs. That material's melting point is well above the softening point of the refiner's quartz enclosure that surrounded the molten material with high purity hydrogen. If he had ever lost it the whole university would have become a superfund site. Semiconductors can be really exciting. Most colorful person I have ever known.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 31, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
Climbing content bump.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:10pm PT
Nice one.
Guck

Trad climber
Santa Barbara, CA
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:59pm PT
I started climbing in France. My two heroes were Gary Hemming and Gaston Rebuffat. Gary did not smoke, but Gaston did. I went for the dirtbag style of Gary and the Gaston look; I switched from smoking upscale "Gitanes" to collecting cigarette butts (mostly "Gauloises") in Chamonix ashtrays to stuff my pipe. I must have looked so cool doing a butt belay with my pipe! I finally gave up the Gaston look in 1970, and am still alive and climbing. Whoa, in retrospect, that stuff was really nasty!!
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2017 - 08:02pm PT
I think my thoughts posted to Brad Rassler's Climbing Folk Heroes thread also belongs here.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=3030344&msg=3031803#msg3031803

It appears the fat, smoking, drunk Whillans, that blahblah mentions upthread here, was still capable of some climbing at world class levels.

Nov 19, 2017 - 05:49pm PT

Unfortunately, I don't recall much of those long-ago, or recent, nights of sitting around the campfire, discussing the feats of climbing folk heroes.

I do remember a mid-1970's evening of campfire conversation with some of the Lowes at the campground by Columbia Icefields & a late 70's evening in Yosemite's Mountain Room bar, where we got to share a small table with Bridwell & his girlfriend.

Those folks went off to paint masterpieces in the mountains & we continued to "dabble in colors." I was impressed, but not enough so, to tell stories around campfires about what they had said in those evenings.

I was much more impressed when British climber, writer, photographer, cinematographer, John Cleare visited my outdoor store in Moscow, Idaho in 1974 on a U.S. lecture tour sponsored by Royal Robbins.

John drank with us after the "slide-shows," slept on my couch, & even climbed with us for a couple days, then returned the next year for another show & more stories.

He told stories about British & Scottish climbers in dialect, & painted vivid word pictures of legends he had climbed & drank with. Tom Patey & Don Whillans suddenly became larger than life folk heroes to me & have remained so.

A Patey story, A Short Walk With Whillans, from Patey's 1971 book, One Man's Mountains, helps explain why:

Eiger North Face


There is something about Don’s proverbial bluntness that arouses one’s admiration. Of such stuff are generals made. We had a short discussion about bivouacking, but eventually I had to agree with his arguments and occupy the outer berth. It would be less likely to induce claustrophobia, or so I gathered. 

“I’ll have one of your cigarettes,” said Don. “I’ve only brought Gauloises.” This was a statement of fact, not a question.

Then later in this classic story:

“I’m going down,” he said. “That’s what’s going on.”

“Wait a minute! Let’s discuss the whole situation calmly.”
I stretched out one hand to flick the ash off my cigarette. Then a most unusual thing happened. There was a higher pitched “WROUFF” than usual and the end of my cigarette disappeared! It was the sort of subtle touch that Hollywood film directors dream about.

“I see what you mean,” I said. “I’m going down too.”


Of course, there are many who have shared tales of Don Whillans.

He shines in my ST thread: Gauloises, Don Whillans, the Frogs, and Climbing History
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1410426&tn=40

Some more Whillans tales show up in this story shared by Leo Dickenson.
A Whillans Tale
https://www.thebmc.co.uk/a-whillans-tale


While visiting Moscow, Idaho in 1974, John Cleare shared that he had been on the ill-fated 1971 International Everest Expedition.

Don Whillans had hiked in fat & out of shape, then had gotten fit during a long, long time at high-altitude on the SW Face of Everest, while the fit young lions with him became gaunt survivors. Eventually Dougal Haston & Whillans spent 3 weeks pushing the route to within 1,500 vertical feet of the summit before giving up & retreating to Base Camp after all the other remaining climbers had also given up & retreated.

At the time, Whillans was 38 & Haston was 31 years old.

The expedition leader Norman Dyhrenfyrth, wrote an account of the expedition for the American Alpine Club & this excerpt deals with the circumstances of the final failed push for the summit:

http://publications.americanalpineclub.org/articles/12197200700/Everest-Revisted-The-International-Himalayan-Expedition-1971


Towards the middle of May Haston and Whillans established Camp VI near the top of the snow ramp, at a height of 27,200 feet. They received strong and unselfish support from the Japanese and our faithful Sherpas. Ito and Uemura carried oxygen to the highest camps without using any themselves. Seventeen Sherpas moved a total of 55 loads up to Camp V; six made the back-breaking ascent four times, and two carried without oxygen as far as Camp VI! And Michel Vaucher declared in interviews and newspaper accounts, the Sherpas had refused to move up the Face!

The bad weather continued, and exceptional cold rendered technical climbing all but impossible. The flow of supplies dwindled to a trickle. Another camp would have been needed above the Rock Band. When Whillans — at the end of a traverse to the right — reached the crest of the South Buttress, he could see moderately angled slopes leading up to the normal route just below the South Summit. Should they abandon the Face for the sake of a summit “victory” at the last minute? The public at large would no doubt consider the expedition to be a full success, but mountaineers think differently. The 1970 ascent by way of the South Col was judged a failure in leading Japanese climbing circles, since the clearly stated objective of the expedition had been the Face. IHE 71’s goal too was the summit by way of the Face, and not “victory at all costs”, by any route. Whillans acted accordingly and returned to Haston. Together they climbed 300 feet up an icy couloir in the Rock Band, fixing ropes. But then they too had reached the end of the line. There was still some oxygen left at Camp VI, but no more butane and precious little to eat.

For more than three weeks they had lived at high altitude without coming down to Advance Base once — a world record and dramatic proof of their incredible toughness, as well as of the superb oxygen system developed by Duane Blume! The combination of snowstorm, intense cold, rockfall, avalanches and faltering supply lines put an end to the struggle.

On May 21 news of the expedition’s failure was announced to the outside world.

John Cleare told me a story from the end of the 1971 Everest Expedition, about the return of Haston & Whillans to base camp.

Haston came staggering down the final slopes with Whillans slightly behind. As Sherpas rushed out to Haston & helped support him back to base camp, Whillans paused, pulled out the remains of a pint of whiskey, drained it, tossed it on the snow, then played soccer with it while striding down to camp.

I believe such feats have made Whillans my favorite Folk Hero.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 20, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
Nicely told tales, Fritz. Thanks. *ribbit*
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