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Social climber
joshua tree
Jan 8, 2014 - 03:02am PT
Wher did ever Jesus teach to share with politicians?

Hebrews 1:3
Jan 8, 2014 - 07:30pm PT
Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man, that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent.
Has He said, and will He not do?
Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Psalm 103:10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor punished us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heavens are high above the earth,
So great is His mercy toward those who fear Him;
12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.

Isaiah 43:25 “I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake;
And I will not remember your sins.

Hebrews 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself

...our sins are forgiven at the cross, and that's where we should leave them, Thank You Jesus!

Jan 8, 2014 - 11:27pm PT


flowerly fancy ass post

quotes from people I really don't fully understand (mainly Werner)

speaking from that blob in my head

This repeats stuff I've said before. Even though we never do that, here.

When our head is moving, signals from our inner ear direct our eye muscles to correct for our head motion. The head rotates, the eyes counter-rotate. This keeps our vision free of blur. The system must keep itself tuned. The parts can age or suffer injury. New prescription eyeglasses can change the relation between head movement and retinal image movement and the system must adapt.

In the normal case images are stable on the retina. Edges, in the part of the world we focus on, stay put. We seldom become aware of blurring from motion, though it can happen. However, even though we are not directly conscious of it the brain is constantly monitoring the sharpness of the retinal image and when head movement is associated with blurring, an error signal is generated. The visual system generates the error signal and that error signal is used to shift synaptic strengths in the reflex arc between ear and eye, as needed to reduce the error signal.

There are good studies of how head movement, inner ear signal, and eye movement are related, for both normal function and also when errors are introduced and the system corrects itself. There are other studies of neuronal activity and synaptic plasticity in the cerebellum where the signals from the inner ear and the retina are compared.

In the cerebellum the retinal slip error signal lags the eyeball-driving signal from the inner ear by about 100 msec. 100 msec is, like, a week in the life of a neuron. At the time this paper appeared it was not known how the timing gap is bridged.


At times the eyes move when the head is relatively still. For example, when your gaze follows a moving image, like a car. That kind of eye movement is slow and smooth. Other times the eyes make quick jumps from one direction to another. These rapid shifts in direction of gaze are too fast for the response time of the retina, and during them the brain ignores visual input.

A consequence of suppressing vision during saccades is that you can't see your own eyes move, according to Wikipedia. Wikipedia tells us how we can check that claim. Stand in front of a mirror. Look at your left eye, then your right eye. You won't see your eyes move but someone standing beside will see them move.


Wikipedia is not telling the whole story when it says you can't see your own eyes move. Stand in front of the mirror and gently push one eye from the side while watching with the other. You can see your eye move. Now close the eye you were watching with and see if you can see your open eye move when you push it.

Or, look at your eyes in the mirror and slowly turn your head from side to side.


Sport climber
Jan 9, 2014 - 03:04pm PT
Chris Christie of New Jersey fires top aide over 'unacceptable' bridge lane closure

"Chris Christie, the scandal-hit governor of New Jersey, embarked upon a full-throated attempt to save his shattered reputation on Thursday, firing the aide at the heart of a conspiracy to cause traffic chaos near a town controlled by a political opponent on Wednesday, and issuing profuse and repeated apologies.

In a 115-minute press conference from the governor’s office in Trenton, New Jersey, Christie said a top aide had lied to him about her involvement in the now notorious closure of traffic lanes on the George Washington Bridge in September. He also said he had terminated his association with a senior Republican who had led his campaign for re-election in November.

Apologising to the people of New Jersey, and specifically to residents of Fort Lee, the small town that sits under the bridge and that was thrown in chaos over four days of lane closures, he said he was “embarrassed and humiliated by the conduct of some of the people on my team”. Email exchanges between members of his inner circle, made public on Wednesday, had revealed behaviour he described as “stupid” and “deceitful”.

He told reporters: “I am heartbroken that someone I allowed in my inner circle for last five years betrayed my trust. I would never have come out four weeks ago and made a joke about these lane closures had I known that anyone in my staff had been so stupid to have anything to do with this and so deceitful,” he said, referring to his quip on 2 December that he had personally laid out the traffic cones.

Before the lane closures were ordered, Sokolich had declined to endorse Christie for re-election, incurring the spite of members of the governor’s inner team. The governor said he would go to Fort Lee on Thursday afternoon and apologise face-to-face to its mayor, Mark Sokolich, and to its residents. A piece of political theatre was in prospect: Sokolich said he would not meet the governor, who said he would go to the town anyway.

In his remarks, Christie tried to lance the political boil that now threatens to poison his political future. The most caustic aspect of the swelling scandal is the impression left that the governor, who has been tipped as a frontrunner in the 2016 race for Republican presidential candidate, was a partisan bully."


Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jan 9, 2014 - 05:28pm PT
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jan 9, 2014 - 08:08pm PT

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 9, 2014 - 11:36pm PT

science wins again

Jan 10, 2014 - 12:28am PT
Science doesn't win anything.

You're just finding out what's been known since day one.

There are sound vibrations that when chanted are millions of times more powerful than any atomic bomb ever made by the crude modern scientists.

You're just little children playing with with fire .....
The Chief

From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 10, 2014 - 12:42am PT
Just read through the last three days worth of postings here.

Not one in tune with the other. Each one singing his own song to a completely different sheet of music.

Not even a hum in unison. Not one really.

No wonder God is constantly laughing. But then HE/SHE/IT can and is most certainly the only one allowed to, really.

Jan 10, 2014 - 12:53am PT
Each one singing his own song to a completely different sheet of music.

Are you a robot?
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jan 10, 2014 - 12:58am PT
Not one in tune with the other. Each one singing his own song to a completely different sheet of music.

You're right . If you're looking for group-think you've come to the wrong place. No one seeks conformity here . It's not the ideal Rodney King world of "can't we all just get along"---unlike the global warming thread, which is an island of bliss, unity, and contentment by comparison.
The Chief

From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 10, 2014 - 01:02am PT
The laws of the Universe indeed conform to God and vise a versa.

Not man nor what man thinks the Universe should or should not conform to.

Big difference.

God/Universe has no ego.

It is a human invention that will surely be his demise.

Ego has replaced God.

God will continue as it has since first and last and ever.

Man.... hmmm. Not.

He is just another small pebble amongst the billions and billions that lie on the beach of the Universe.

To consider or think different proves my point regarding the ego.

Carry on. It's sweat music to hear God laughing.

That is of course if one chooses to listen to that sweet music.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jan 10, 2014 - 01:20am PT
From the Land of the Mongols

Are you a Mongol? I knew a few back BITD. Actually I knew more Vagos and High Plains Drifters, accidentally, through some friends.
The Mongols didn't have as many problems with the Angels as the Vagos once did, until 2002 that is.
I still see the Mongols flying their old colors around here sometimes. But that's getting rare these days.
I was always surprised they had members in a lot of states and even overseas, being homeboys from Montebello, essentially.

Credit: Ward Trotter

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jan 10, 2014 - 08:22am PT
For you math nerds:

Love expressed in mathematics.


Jan 10, 2014 - 11:52am PT
God laughing

Unusual for comedians to laugh at their own jokes.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 10, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
That's gold MH2... GOLD!

Do that even HAVE television in Mongolia?


Jan 10, 2014 - 05:53pm PT
MH2: Unusual for comedians to laugh at their own jokes.

All comedians are cynics in disguise. Listen to how they talk and what they say.

God's doings, if anything, are ironic. (Irony is the most sophisticated kind of story--if you're into stories.)

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jan 10, 2014 - 09:43pm PT

Interesting to see how different people experience different things when view this. Many can't see anything but their own evaluations - meaning they are seeing virtually nothing on the screen. It can be an instructive exercise to experience what chords these images strike.


Somewhere out there
Jan 10, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
Interesting John - I have a thing for ambient music already…. So this is good…

Thought that I had too find out what the video description meant…

Sans dialogue, "Baraka" est une réflexion sur l'histoire du monde à partir du seul langage universel existant : image, son et musique. Utilisant le format 70 mm, le réalisateur et son équipe ont parcouru le monde pendant quatorze mois, n'hésitant pas à aller dans les sites les plus reculés et les plus rares de la Terre.

Translation from Google:
Without dialogue, "Baraka" is a reflection on the history of the world from the only existing universal language: image, sound and music. Using the 70 mm format, the director and his team have traveled the world for fourteen months, not hesitating to go into the most remote sites and the rarest on Earth.

Cool vid John, Thanks - You may consider adding this to the You Tube Gems thread…


P.S. - 13:14 not sure what to make of it, but strange and unique group ritual...

Boulder climber
Jan 10, 2014 - 10:11pm PT

Soothing, pleasant imagery.

Is there something deeper I'm missing?
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