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Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 12, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
Send some fine thougts over to our friend Blitzo who is moving on as we speak.

JL
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Aug 13, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
My wife is back home finally. She returned once but I took her back to hospital due to high agitation and some, . . er, "vivid hallucinations" that she was experiencing at night while she was supposed to be sleeping. (Don't know what the heck that was.) Now she's back home, in more ways than one.

2 hours before release from the hospital.
2 hours before release from the hospital.
Credit: MikeL

It was quite the adventure. For the first 24-36 hours, she was in a lot of head pain and confusion. She kept waking and saying, "Michael, what's wrong with me?" The doctors and I would tell her about the hemorraging in three places and the fractures behind her ear and at C2, where she was, and who we were, but none of that helped her, and she'd only forget and remain confused. She'd wake up whispering, "Michael, my head Really Hurts," and the staff kept experimenting with pain killers (morphine, dilaudin, fentanyl, tylenol infusions, etc.) until they finally found the right combination to bring her pain down from a "9" to a "6." Before then, I'd put a cool hand to her head and comb her hair with my fingers, and she'd tell me that it helped a lot, and she'd fall off into sleep for a while.

My training has been to make observations and notice things. What I noticed was that no explanation helped my wife's condition. The doctors (all purportedly very competent) were figuring it out as they went along, and they did good. But it took a little while to come upon the right combination of drugs and the meanings of the tests. It was a successive series of approximations. But a cool hand running through my wife's hair made a noticeable difference in her experience. Experience vs. explanation? Open-endedness vs. uncertainty.? Science vs. intuition?

At the moment, my wife tells me she's not back. She says she's not quite really here, and she wonders if she will be by the time she needs to return to her job (senior manager at a tech company).

I have a gentle smile for her. ("Like, who the frick cares?")

What's happening now? What did happen? After a beer late one night, my wife went down to the ground floor with her socks on to have a fag in the garage, slipped on one of the higher steps of a hardwood staircase, and fell down about 8'-10' to a landing. You can almost see it in your mind's eye in slow motion. The foot slips, her feet splay forward in the air while her upper neck comes down onto the edge of the step, and she crumples down the 8-10 more steps until she lands feet pointed up on the bottom steps of the staircase. I find her breathing labored.

What caused the effects? The beer? The socks? The slippery floor? The wont for a cigarette? Karma? Mental multi-tasking (you need to know my wife)? All of it? None of it?

Who can say?

Will there be any long-term effects like hearing loss, loss of memory, loss of the piano lessons, loss of movement, fear of stairs, a change in mental capacities, a change in attitude, or some little physical issue that has gone so far undetected? Could the unfinished re-integration back into "regular life" be the beginning of a new (spiritual?) outlook on life?

Who can say?

Odd as it is to say, the smile I see now on my wife's face is unlike any I've seen before. (Probably temporary, hmmm?) I look at the image above, and I see an enigma. She looks blank but centered to me. How interesting.

Initially, years ago, I began to notice such curiosities (above) that I could not explain or answer. I found them deeply interesting. Now I expect them.

I'm glad that she's returned. It's interesting. (I suppose it sounds strange for me to say.)
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 13, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
That's one hell of a shiner. There's fantastic things going on in those eyes!

JL
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 13, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
There's fantastic things going on in those eyes!

MikeL :
Largo is guessing as usual but this time it's a guess that is right-on.
I know this because I thought the same thing.

Your wife loves you. It's love that'll get the both of you through these setbacks.
You can quote me on that.

Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 13, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
Largo is guessing as usual but this time it's a guess that is right-on.
I know this because I thought the same thing.


When Ward guesses, as he did above, then we are assured of said guess being right because, errrrrrr, Ward said it.

Or do I have that wrong, LOL???

Yo the man, Mike. But I like the Misses more. My oldest daugher has a little of that magic in her eyes as well. She leaves me in the dust. Always has.

JL

Dr. Long
Dr. Long
Credit: Largo

Credit: Largo
MH2

climber
Aug 13, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
What I see in the eyes of MikeL's wife is a strange mix of the wisdom of age with the innocence of youth that I have sometimes seen in the eyes of our so-called confused old people in the nursing home. It is beautiful.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 13, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
Thanks for posting MikeL.

DMT
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 14, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
A weird tribe of inbred desert rats who take care of their own with lots of love and a little drama

Hey, DMT, what's happening?

At face value I'm kinda a little puzzled by this comment, made by yourself, in its context on another current thread.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2091898&tn=1540

Is there something I'm missing here?
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Aug 15, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Nice photos, JL. You must be very proud of her!


;>)
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Aug 15, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
I'm just tuning into the world again and discover Mike's wife in the hospital and Blitzo in a hospice.Truly there is only now. Best wishes Mike, and I will be meditating for you both. My traumas with four dogs and cat across the Pacific are as nothing now that we're all recovered. Hopefully I'll get connected at home and have more time to post today or tomorrow. I missed the thread and the gang these past couple of weeks.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Aug 20, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
haven't been on this thread for a while...such pain and loss to process...

and yet:

'Regardless of what you call it, the fact is we have measured the emptiness of space as not empty at all, yet in the standard model they simply sweep this number under the rug using a mathematical trick called "renormalization" and then proceed about their business writing their field equations as if it was not significant despite the fact that the measured value of the energy present in a cubic centimeter of space is 39 orders of magnitude denser than all of the regular matter of the entire universe squashed into a cubic centimeter! No wonder they are unable to find this mysterious "dark matter". They can't find it like a fish can't find water because we are bathing in and made of an infinitely dense super-fluid medium we call space that happens to appear to us as "nothing" because its in a perfect state of balanced equilibrium due to the perfect scalar geometry of the space itself! Scalar cube octahedrons that Buckminster Fuller called the vector equilibrium created by an infinite tetrahedral array.
The Resonance Project • Nassim Haramein.'


COSMOLOGIST SUGGESTS THAT THE UNIVERSE-EXPANSION THEORY IS INCORRECT

After the revolutionary discovery (by Edwin Hubble in 1929) of the strong correlation between the redshift of galaxies and their distances from us, astrophysicists have agreed for many decades that the universe has been expanding ever since the Big Bang.

Cosmologist Christof Wetterich of the University of Heidelberg boldly suggests an alternative explanation. He claims that rather than an expanding universe, the redshift of galaxies observed on Earth could have been caused by less massive particles of the early universe.

The idea revolves around the mass of particles in the beginning of time. If an atom were to become larger in mass, the light it emits would become more energetic and higher in frequency, corresponding to a blue shift. Conversely, a lighter atom would emit less energetic light with a lower frequency, corresponding to a redshift. If the mass of all particles were once lower (and constantly increasing ever since), the redshift differential of distant galaxies would be proportional to their distance from Earth. If this were true, the “expanding universe” would merely be an illusion.

Unfortunately, testing Wetterich’s hypothesis is not possible. As the mass of all particles increase, so does the standard scale which we use for measurement. In other words, the mass of an object can only be measured relative to something else.

The author of the Nature article, Jon Cartwright, explains it nicely:
"[Every] mass on Earth is ultimately determined relative to a kilogram standard that sits in a vault on the outskirts of Paris ... If the mass of everything — including the official kilogramme — has been growing proportionally over time, there could be no way to find out."

Wetterich’s paper is submitted to arxiv.org and has not yet been peer-reviewed. Some experts say that his interpretation can help prevent cosmologists from becoming ingrained into one way of thinking. As physicist Arjun Berera at the University of Edinburgh, UK, puts it: “The field of cosmology these days is converging on a standard model, centred around inflation and the Big Bang… This is why it’s as important as ever, before we get too comfortable, to see if there are alternative explanations consistent with all known observation.”

Refer to the source links below for more information.

Source Links:
http://bit.ly/13xUlWK [Nature article]
http://bit.ly/13LcKKz [Arxiv.org paper]

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 20, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
^^^ same thing as the evolutionist not knowing consciousness created formed matter
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Aug 21, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
Parmenides, Heraclitus, and Zeno
http://www.ligonier.org/rym/broadcasts/audio/parmenides-heraclitus-and-zeno2/
Are you the same person you were ten years ago? Or ten seconds ago? If you’re not, then who are you? While most of us don’t lose any sleep over such riddles, philosophers have long recognized the importance of these “questions of being.” In this lesson, discover the fundamentals of “being” and “becoming.”

From the series: The Consequences of Ideas

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 21, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Ward

What is it you want to ask me?

Cheers
DMT
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Aug 24, 2013 - 09:01am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#317493

Luke 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation to His people
By the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God,
With which the Dayspring from on high has visited us;
79 To give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death,
To guide our feet into the way of peace.”

...WOW!
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Aug 24, 2013 - 11:41am PT
All Cretins are liars...

-xeno

I don't know how many of you have read Gödel Escher Bach, An Eternal Golden Braid, but this whole thread needs to. It took me nigh a year to get through because Tom Cosgriff made me work the math problems.

That book is pretty damn cool, but the concepts are not intuitive at all.

Credit: BASE104
FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Aug 24, 2013 - 11:46am PT
"Don't steal my sh1t"

-Epimenedes, the Cretan

Base....that picture appears as a puzzle that my kids and I put together when they were about 3 and 4 years old. It still hangs in their room despite their new lives at college. Anyway, it was a long time, figuratively speaking, before the image's "wrongness" snapped into focus for them. I've always used it as 'teaching moment' for describing how something can look correct, up close, yet be so wrong when viewed at a distance.

I don't know how many of you have read Gödel Escher Bach, An Eternal Golden Braid, but this whole thread needs to.

Largo could use the Clif Notes!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
I've always used it as 'teaching moment' for describing how something can look correct, up close, yet be so wrong when viewed at a distance.
-


This has been my song on this thread ad nauseum - that when our awareness is fused to discursive thoughts, when we are too close to them and have no distance to see otherwise, we are largely blind in many regards.

But I'm convinced now that people need to see this for themselves, of their own accord, and that trying to discursively talk them into trying is a fool's pursiut.

JL
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Aug 24, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
I'm convinced now that people need to see this for themselves, of their own accord, and that trying to discursively talk them into trying is a fool's pursiut.

Isn't this what the masters have been saying all along? And that most people have to go through experiences that are so painful or so out of the ordinary, that only then are they motivated to look beyond their normal world view? And that these motivations come from the emotional side of our being, not our discursive mind?

There also has to be an element of faith that is separate from discursive reason. Even among Buddhists one has to have faith that others have found relief from these sufferings and that there are methods that work.

A similar issue has arisen on the thread about the missing climber at Mammoth Lakes.Several of his friends have had similar dreams with the same symbols in them and one person who never knew him had a similar dream which they all discovered only by comparing notes on the thread. Predicatably some people have told them to use these symbols as clues from another dimension of mind/spirituality and others have told them tartly to stick to the known facts only. This debate will never end!


Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 24, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Yeah DMT , I was wondering if you thought it was a good idea to refer to a dying man and his grieving neighbors as:

A weird tribe of inbred desert rats

I mean , even in a sort of harmless , light-hearted way--which I am guessing was the way you meant it.
Not a good choice of words.
Did I take it wrong??

Otherwise I have nothing against you personally.
No hard feelings.
In fact I was willing to forget the entire thing.

Thanks,
WT




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