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splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 12, 2013 - 10:08am PT
So does Dave Mustaine...
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 12, 2013 - 10:09am PT
I reap alot of laughs
Thanks for the inspiration

My advice, lighten up
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 12, 2013 - 10:22am PT
Make no mistake, it's either (a) deal with these serious issues through education and such tools as the internet, negotiation, democratic rule, etc. today; or (b) deal with them on the battle field tomorrow.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 12, 2013 - 10:49am PT
DM (Megadeath) Fieldy & Head (Korn) JF (BS) awesome testimonies...
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 12, 2013 - 11:21am PT
Cassie was a Believer. She just watched her best friend (Rachel Scott) get her head blown off for answering, "Yes!" to these guys...
10 of the 11 students they killed where born again Christians!
10 of the 11 students they killed where born again Christians!
Credit: splitter
Cassie didn't fear death, she also said yes..

Cassie Bernall = Hardcore (Believer) RIP
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Jul 12, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
It's interesting how the urge to instill fear and at the same time preach love are mingled in Christianity (though it's a pattern of other faiths too).

It creates a primal dissonance, playing guilt, doubt, and mortal terror against a promise of unimaginable bliss and reconciliation.

So it's really not surprising that there are so many Christians.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jul 12, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
The Parable of the Sower
Luke 8:4 And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable: 5 “A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. 6 Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. 8 But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold.” When He had said these things He cried, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

The Purpose of Parables
9 Then His disciples asked Him, saying, “What does this parable mean?”

10 And He said, “To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that

‘Seeing they may not see,
And hearing they may not understand.’

The Parable of the Sower Explained
11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience.



Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. 9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Jul 12, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
Yeah, and the everlasting life thing. He who sows carrot seeds will also need to find a good stick.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jul 13, 2013 - 05:51am PT
Acts 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and motioning with his hand said, “Men of Israel, and you who fear God, listen: 17 The God of this people Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an uplifted arm He brought them out of it. 18 Now for a time of about forty years He put up with their ways in the wilderness. 19 And when He had destroyed seven nations in the land of Canaan, He distributed their land to them by allotment.

20 “After that He gave them judges for about four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet. 21 And afterward they asked for a king; so God gave them Saul the son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. 22 And when He had removed him, He raised up for them David as king, to whom also He gave testimony and said, ‘I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who will do all My will.’ 23 From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus— 24 after John had first preached, before His coming, the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel. 25 And as John was finishing his course, he said, ‘Who do you think I am? I am not He. But behold, there comes One after me, the sandals of whose feet I am not worthy to loose.’

26 “Men and brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to you the word of this salvation has been sent. 27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him. 28 And though they found no cause for death in Him, they asked Pilate that He should be put to death. 29 Now when they had fulfilled all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a tomb. 30 But God raised Him from the dead. 31 He was seen for many days by those who came up with Him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are His witnesses to the people. 32 And we declare to you glad tidings—that promise which was made to the fathers. 33 God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm:

‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.’

34 And that He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, He has spoken thus:

‘I will give you the sure mercies of David.’

35 Therefore He also says in another Psalm:

‘You will not allow Your Holy One to see corruption.’

36 “For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw corruption; 37 but He whom God raised up saw no corruption. 38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. 40 Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you:

41 ‘Behold, you despisers,
Marvel and perish!
For I work a work in your days,
A work which you will by no means believe,
Though one were to declare it to you.’”
(Habakkuk 1:5)
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jul 13, 2013 - 05:58am PT
those of you whom
must continually and repeatedly
share the same damn echoes
over and over

only convince your audience that
you are entirely insecure
in your psychological subscriptions.

you don't really believe in nothing
so you re-echo the same damn
thing over and over,
and actually these echos are
not even yours
but some past fool's utterings,

all in your attempt to convince
us of your convictions
and to sell your own heart some hope.

im totally pitful too.
but at least my pity has some breadth.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jul 13, 2013 - 06:12am PT
Isaiah 55:1 “Ho! Everyone who thirsts,
Come to the waters;
And you who have no money,
Come, buy and eat.
Yes, come, buy wine and milk
Without money and without price.
2 Why do you spend money for what is not bread,
And your wages for what does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
And let your soul delight itself in abundance.
3 Incline your ear, and come to Me.
Hear, and your soul shall live;
And I will make an everlasting covenant with you—
The sure mercies of David.

Luke 5:31 Jesus answered and said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2013 - 07:55am PT
I could get a bunch of videos of flat earthers saying how they Believe the earth is flat.
Should I be impressed?
WBraun

climber
Jul 13, 2013 - 09:21am PT
The earth is flat, you're stupid.

Go look in your back yard ..... :-)
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 13, 2013 - 11:08am PT

you don't really believe in nothing
so you re-echo the same damn
thing over and over,
and actually these echos are
not even yours
but some past fool's utterings,

Should we not listen to words from the past?
Shurely ur dad whispered something in your ear as a child that still resonates in ur life today?
What about ur grandfather or your great grandfather. Is there any words from their life's trials and tribulations that we're worthy of writing down and passing on to the next generation?
Couldn't they have learned something in all their years that is worthy for you to steer ur life by? Maybe it wasn't calculus, or how to tune a still 065. But how about; "train up a child in the way she should go, and when she is old she will not depart from it." and "foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; the rod of correction will drive it far from her." these were written by
Solomon over 3000 yrs ago. Don't they deserve to be written down and passed along to every generation? The book of Proverbs alone should be a prerequisite for every parent. And for any person who has questioned his substance. I beg you to find anything in there that does not pertain to life in the modern world. What does the book of evolution teach you? That our spirits, or creativity and our emotions of love and hate were a product of an absolute accident
of the bonding of matter. With morals like "it's a dog eat dog world, and only the strong can survive". Thuss we are here today from the shear strength of our egos. Having this kind of conviction in ur heart, how does it make you feel to teach this to ur children? Proud? How does it make you feel to be taught this myth? The lesson of the bible is the exact opposite.
It sez that every person ever born is a child of Gods. And that we ALL are brothers and sisters
in Christ. That beckons us to be considerate of our past generations advice. And it behooves
us to listen and test their theories. And when you find something that is good and it works.
Doesn't it feel good to share it with your brothers and sisters???
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Jul 13, 2013 - 11:39am PT
Sometimes you are priceless, Werner.
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Jul 13, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
The rod of correction, eh Blue?

Seriously, what is it with these Christians and their repressed sadism?

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 13, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
^^^ Seriously is that all you could see in my words?
For your info, in old world language "the rod"was known as a measuring stick. So a parent is to use a certain measureof correction for a certain measure of disobedience. My daughter hears so much love and praise from my mouth, I barely have to take a serious tone to get
her undivided attention.
Thanks for your input though Cintune
jstan

climber
Jul 13, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Finally to see a consensus forming, as it is here, is inspiring.

I am moved by this achievement to present an idea. Quantum Mechanics is a study of the laws obeyed by very small things. Many of our brain connections are established as we learn, starting at two or three, and extending beyond age twelve, for some. By that time we are very big and have been thoroughly biased by our experience with big things. As a result QM seems outlandish.

So here is the idea. Tape an ipod to the belly of the woman from intercourse onward and play Feynman's lecture on Quantum Electrodynamics. That way when the fetus is one celled, and very small, it can hear ideas applicable to things small. It should be a natural. When one celled the fetus already has a soul. So it can clearly handle Feynman.
MH2

climber
Jul 13, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Yes but that embryo may find a way to not develop and to stay in the quantum world.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 13, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
Thanks Mr. Jstan, i'll let you do that experiment

Question! Are you an enthusiast of the big bang syndrome?

If so, can you explain your idea of what when on just before the bang?

My minds picture is of EVERYTHING is compacted into a cingalarity?

So where are natures laws hanging out? You know like; gravity, magnetism, light, etc.

Or is this one of those questions "out there hanging" like, where did DNA/RNA get its start?

Thank you ahead of time.
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