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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 9, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
^^how about The BLUEGHOST?

So, is it all the same god?

nope! There are actually two for the men of this world

One goes by the name Jesus

The other is named Satan

Everyone worships One. Or the other
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2013 - 08:36am PT
wrong
Atheists do not worship anyone nor anything

There are probably only 1000 people on earth that actually are Satanists, and they are just as wrong and deluded as the Christians in my opinion
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 10, 2013 - 09:26am PT
Today: Why Great Britain is losing its religion

http://planetivy.com/uknews/56411/atheism-why-the-uk-is-losing-its-religion/

Tomorrow: Why the world is losing its religion

.....

Anyone enjoy Thomas Friedman, New York Times. He's written several pieces in the last week on Egypt and what's happening there. They all point, I think, to the claim that Islam everywhere has entered the throes of its own accelerated Reformation.

.....

Food for thought: Religion... as a tool (of necessity?) - a political tool, a psychological tool, a societal tool - to appease the less fortunate among the populaces.
If true, compassionate? or cruel? If true, necessary?

Daniel Dennett...
“Religions have depended on the relative isolation and ignorance of their flocks, forever, and this is all breaking down."
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jul 10, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Tomorrow: Why the world is losing its religion

...you meant why it never really had any or you are already lost without Christ!
Religion without God and Jesus is just nonsense!
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jul 10, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
There are actually two for the men of this world

One goes by the name Jesus

The other is named Satan

Everyone worships One. Or the other

 How about FailBlocker?
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Jul 10, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 10, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
The "Pentecostal Preacher" obviously didn't know Jesus Christ. He went through all the motions, listened, studied and whatever, but was never born again. He didn't have a spiritual rebirth. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of those preachers in America. Why do you think they refer to it as a personal relationship.

"You must be born again." ~ JC

He is as real as your own relationships. Once He comes into your life, there is absolutely no doubt that He is alive, has risen, is God.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jul 10, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2013/07/is-an-unknown-force-of-the-universe-acting-on-dark-matter.html

"An Unknown Force of the Universe is Acting on Dark Matter"


Today, on the 4th of July, a European team of astronomers led by Hongsheng Zhao of the SUPA Centre of Gravity at the University of St Andrews are prsenting a radical new theory at the RAS National Astronomy Meeting in St Andrews. Their theory suggests that the Milky Way and Anromeda galaxies collided some 10 billion years ago and that our understanding of gravity is fundamentally wrong. Remarkably, this would neatly explain the observed structure of the two galaxies and their satellites.
Dr. Zhao is not unused to controversial theories. In 2009, he led An international team of astronomers that found an unexpected link between mysterious 'dark matter' and the visible stars and gas in galaxies that could revolutionise our current understanding of gravity. Zhao suggested that an unknown force is acting on dark matter.

Only 4% of the universe is made of known material. Stars and gas in galaxies move so fast that astronomers have speculated that the gravity from a hypothetical invisible halo of dark matter is needed to keep galaxies together. However, a solid understanding of dark matter as well as direct evidence of its existence has remained elusive.

The team believes that the interactions between dark and ordinary matter could be more important and more complex than previously thought, and even speculate that dark matter might not exist and that the anomalous motions of stars in galaxies are due to a modification of gravity on extragalactic scales.

"The dark matter seems to 'know' how the visible matter is distributed. They seem to conspire with each other such that the gravity of the visible matter at the characteristic radius of the dark halo is always the same," said Dr. Benoit Famaey (Universities of Bonn and Strasbourg). "This is extremely surprising since one would rather expect the balance between visible and dark matter to strongly depend on the individual history of each galaxy.

"The pattern that the data reveal is extremely odd. It's like finding a zoo of animals of all ages and sizes miraculously having identical, say, weight in their backbones or something. It is possible that a non-gravitational fifth force is ruling the dark matter with an invisible hand, leaving the same fingerprints on all galaxies, irrespective of their ages, shapes and sizes."

Such a force might solve an even bigger mystery, known as 'dark energy', which is ruling the accelerated expansion of the Universe. A more radical solution is a revision of the laws of gravity first developed by Isaac Newton in 1687 and refined by Albert Einstein's theory of General Relativity in 1916. Einstein never fully decided whether his equation should add an omnipresent constant source, now called dark energy.

Dr Famaey added, "If we account for our observations with a modified law of gravity, it makes perfect sense to replace the effective action of hypothetical dark matter with a force closely related to the distribution of visible matter."

The implications of the new research could change some of the most widely held scientific theories about the history and expansion of the universe.

Lead researcher Dr. Gianfranco Gentile at the University of Ghent concluded, "Understanding this puzzling conspiracy is probably the key to unlock the formation of galaxies and their structures."

Journal Reference: Gianfranco Gentile, Benoit Famaey, HongSheng Zhao, Paolo Salucci. Universality of galactic surface densities within one dark halo scale-length. Nature, 2009; 461 (7264): 627 DOI: 10.1038/nature08437

The Daily Galaxy via University of St. Andrews and Physorg.com
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 11, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
It's true, I respect our religions of history in that they developed stories - or systems of stories - that were not only responsive but highly adaptive to their times and places. Really, how could any evolutionist, or evolution junkie, not be super impressed by their adaptation (adaptive power) to the realities of their times? which we all know were typically poor, brutish and short.

But new times call for new leadership. To reflect the new facts, new attitudes, new visions.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
The "Pentecostal Preacher" obviously didn't know Jesus Christ. He went through all the motions, listened, studied and whatever, but was never born again. He didn't have a spiritual rebirth. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of those preachers in America.

Typical response from a Christian when someone leaves the flock after becoming educated.
They weren't real Christians, otherwise they would stay deluded until Death, right?

Maybe being born again involves brain damage, and then you start paying attention to the voices in your head from the schizophrenia that has taken over your being.

splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
Dood, i assume you have met and known your father, mother, friends and relatives, it is no different with Christ. People may stray, but they will never deny that He exists no more than you would your family and friends. That is, if they know Him. He is real, "He has risen."! You simply don't know Him! You will some day though, meet Him face to face, whether you want to or not. Cheers!

edit: it's a waste of time talking to you people, your spiritually dead. yer choice. this thread is a total waste of time, b'cuz ya made up yer minds long ago, so sad. you will go on to yer reward. the usa is gonna be held much more accountable than S&G, because you have heard it all (the Good News) over and over, yet continue to reject it. Blublocer was wrong and Jennie was right, there are different levels of hell. your place is reserved. been there and wouldn't want anyone to spend one second there, let alone eternity. but you've evidently chose/loved the darkness instead of the light. so be it.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
The Heaven vs. Hell choice is an awful reason to believe in God. It is like you are just covering the bases.

As for being born again, there are many Christian sects that do not do this. Most of the protestant religions don't mention it, but from my experience, when I went to a Baptist church, they made a big deal about it and I was shuffled up to be saved. So I've been saved and baptized.

Is that good enough?

A god that sends good people to hell simply because they don't believe in the Christian God sounds like an artifice of man. Do you think Ghandi is burning in hell? What about Jews, Mormons, and Muslims, who all pray to the same Abrahamic God that a fundamentalist Christian does?

When I was very young, I bought it. When I learned to think independently, nobody could answer my questions without using the catch phrase, "God acts in mysterious ways..."

JC seemed like pure good. How could they send people to hell? It is like being on a jury and only a very few beat the hangman.

If there were a God, and he was all knowing, he would know whether you would burn or not, before you were born.

Telling Dr. F that he is going to burn is a little out of your area. I think that those decisions would be the property of your God.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
But then the only reason for believing in God is faith and "faith" can be defined as having belief in something for no good reason.
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:32pm PT

//So I've been saved and baptized.
Is that good enough?//


Me too, when I was nine. But last year I was told that I had to be "born again". Southern Baptist. It's all about continuous fervor.

I'm not gonna make it.

;>(
MH2

climber
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
I'm not gonna make it.


So you say. God would likely not agree.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
No. 1 Problem
God hasn't agreed to anything
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
Using rigorous logic as demonstrated by the religious posters on this thread:

your genes live on after you die (if you've bothered to pass them on)

therefore your genes = your soul
jstan

climber
Jul 11, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
Craig Venter close to creating synthetic life

Updated 10:50 13 March 2013 by Andy Coghlan
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For the first time we are close to creating artificial life from scratch. So says Craig Venter, founder of the J. Craig Venter Institute in Rockville, Maryland, and famed for creating the first cell with a synthetic genome.

"We think we're close, but we've not submitted a paper yet," he said at the Global Grand Challenges summit in London this week.

Venter announced in 2010 that he had brought to life an almost completely synthetic version of the bacterium Mycoplasma mycoides, by transplanting it into the vacant shell of another bacterium. Venter's latest creation, which he has dubbed the Hail Mary Genome, will be made from scratch with genes he and his institute colleagues, Clyde Hutchison and Hamilton Smith, consider indispensable for life.

The team is using computer simulations to better understand what is needed to create a simple, self-replicating cell. "Once we have a minimal chassis, we can add anything else to it," he says.

Venter's quest to engineer algae to produce more oil than usual is also going well. "We've been able to increase photosynthesis threefold, meaning that we get three times as much energy per photon [of sunlight] as from natural algae," he says. He also announced that his programme to scour the oceans for novel microscopic life has so far turned up 80 million genes new to biology.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23266-craig-venter-close-to-creating-synthetic-life.html


For the Lab tour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E25jgPgmzk&list=PL672D6415554A2407

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 11, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
Any Brian Cox fans here? I am now. Just watched his series, "Wonders of Life." It's good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cox_(physicist);



He's a baby face. Hard to believe he's 45. He's a physicist (works at CERN) who, reminiscent of Carl Sagan, is passionate about how life works in evolutionary, ecological and energetic terms.

Personally, a basic interest of mine is analytical bioengineering. In "Wonders of Life," his inner child, inner explorer and inner "analytical bioengineer" come through loud and clear. Watch it when you can, you'll see.

He's no doubt a mechanist, too. Covering everything in terms of the "machinery of life".

David Attenborough recently announced Brian Cox as his successor.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:08pm PT

//So I've been saved and baptized.
Is that good enough?//

i AM SOO GLAD TO HEAR THIS ABOUT SOME OF YOU GUYS!!

i to prayed the sinners prayer at the age of 9 at a Billy Graham revival in Sacremento,1973.
It's one day in my life I can remember like it was yesterday. I sure can't remember the words he used, but the meaning brought me to my knees, At 9 yrs old. And I asked Jesus into my heart. And it made a change in me that day! And pretty much the next 39 yrs I ran from that day..
Well about 2 yrs ago He brought me to my knees again! And I pleaded for Him to return in my life, and He's been there everyday since!! When I look back over those 39 yrs. I can see that He was always there. But I just didn't act knowledge Him. I wish I had the words to show you what He's done in just the last 3 days.. But you prolly wouldn't believe me anyways.
I can tell you all this FOR SURE, Jesus is our Brother yesterday, today, and forever!

And once saved. ALWAYS saved!!!

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