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WBraun

climber
Aug 9, 2013 - 12:11am PT
Without meditation all paths lead to destruction .......
MH2

climber
Aug 9, 2013 - 12:27am PT
Whereas with meditation all paths lead to destruction.
WBraun

climber
Aug 9, 2013 - 12:39am PT
NO .....

Words must be windows and not empty dead ends with no transcendence .....
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 9, 2013 - 01:03am PT
The eyes believe themselves; the ears believe other people.

thats what my fortune cookie said tonight
MH2

climber
Aug 9, 2013 - 09:12am PT
Symmetry, Werner, symmetry.

Through the window you see a mirror.

Look through the mirror.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 9, 2013 - 10:14am PT
Being dogged is a must. It only takes ONE person to drink the koolaid and jump down the rabbit hole and while no one has done so thus far, in three years, once one does, and starts reporting back what happens, then it's a regular landslide and I can step aside and let people's experience do he talking. I'm just a spark on the tinder, creating enough friction that a fire will eventually break out.

The offer still stands. The wormhole in is to just notice how you pay attention, and see what happens to yur focus or awareness.

You'd think I was asking people to marry their sister, LOL.

JL
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Aug 9, 2013 - 11:13am PT
re: raw sensation in the present moment

The Abramovic Method Practiced by Lady Gaga...

http://vimeo.com/71919803

Boy, I've been so foolish, I get it now, finally, at long last.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 9, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lElf7D-An8

Staying with the 1st person experience, and discursively summing it up as you go . . .

JL
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Aug 9, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
JL,

I'm always interested in experience.

Just from pondering this, it seems like a difficult proposition to do alone and without both explanation and training.

I couldn't find your rabbit hole unless you put up a flare.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 9, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
I put up a flare. I asked you straight up to look at how you focus your attention on one thing at the exclusion of most other things. This is the first step in understanding, in the most tangible terms, the divide-and-conquer process of the discursive/evaluating mind.

This is a direct experience anyone can do. But you have to be interested in the first person to take the challenge, and this list is pretty much all 3rd person watchers, meaning their eyes are focused "out there." Turning in, apparently, even in the simple way suggested, feels either so boring (BEFORE the fact) or so slippery (what's the point?) that it's as if I was suggesting "therapy" or something, LOL.

The point is part of a native evolutionary drive for humans to become increasingly conscious. Whatever remains unconscious runs on auto-pilot. That's great for the majority of our physical processes. Not so great for the meta level on which we actually live our lives.

JL



jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Aug 9, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
. . . once one does, and starts reporting back what happens, then it's a regular landslide

Hmmmm.


I kinda like the Lady Gaga thing, though. Has possibilities.


;>)
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Aug 9, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
Words must be windows and not empty dead ends with no transcendence .....

 Werner…. and what if words are just words…. what if life is more than a metaphor to pass over the tongue of a guru such as yourself? And how much transcendence does one person have in a lifetime? Seems to me your world view is no different that the evangelical born-again-and-again-and-again christian…… In the end the super-transcentant human is still just a human. End of story.
You can go on fooling yourself with wordplay "Words must be windows not dead ends", meanwhile life is happening all around you.

Shouldn't you be in part of its production?

Cheers bra
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 10, 2013 - 02:09am PT
 Werner…. and what if words are just words….

Many words are more than "just words". Some words have emotions entangled within them.
And some words are windows! And some are doors!


How's that mikeL?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Aug 10, 2013 - 11:01am PT
And some words are windows! And some are doors!

 and on my death bed I'll be saying "Boy I wish I worded in metaphor more often and better"…. That way, people would have clearly understood everything I was saying….. Because it was deep and profound.


Maybe that's why I'm so misunderstood.


 What ever happened to communicating ideas to one another without resorting to the trickery of word-sleuthing? Or was/is Werner/now BB trying to put his point into more understandable terms for a commoner type audience?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Aug 10, 2013 - 11:18am PT
That Youtube link that Largo posted if freaking hilarious.

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I don't understand what the problem is with 1st person experience. All experience is first person. When you go off into 2nd and 3rd person, you are just describing somebody else's experience.

You still never answered my question, r.e.: What do you find when you eliminate the discursive chatter? Why is it worth it?

I have never met anyone who isn't living in the sea of the discursive mind, and all of the great insights and discoveries where found using the discursive mind.

If I am wrong, show me.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 10, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
If I am wrong, show me.
-


I'm trying to show you BASE but you demand to be shown on your own terms.

If yuo wanna see what this is all about, simply start with the focus exercise I mentioned. And we go from there. It's quite simple.

First person insight always starts with first person "intake," that is, you do some watching, THEN talk.

JL
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Aug 10, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
I'm reading this thread now and then, but can't bring myself to write anything. My wife slipped and fell down a flight of stairs two days ago at our home. She's got a brain trauma, internal bleeding on three sides of her skull, a fracture behind an ear, and a hairline fracture at C2. The brain traumas are "evolving" (code for predictably). She has Lots of Pain, terrible nausea and vertigo, great confusion, double vision, gets words mixed-up, can't answer most of the standard neuro questions, can't remember old friends, has beautiful black eyes, and asks me if she is going to be ok. She whispers to me: "Michael, I'm REALLY Sick."

We're in a great trauma unit, with great people.

I think she may get moved out of the ICU today, and we'll soon be starting her in some therapy to get her upright, and maybe even sitting in a chair for a few minutes.


There's only now. Everything else is just a theory.


(Thanks in advance for all of your best wishes. I know we can count on that. )
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 10, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
Sure hope the missus feels better, Mike. And you too.

JL
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 10, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
That's terrible, MikeL! Sending positive healing vibes your way.

DMT
MH2

climber
Aug 10, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
I'm glad she has you, Mike. Just be there.
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