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WBraun

climber
Jul 13, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
The earth is flat, you're stupid.

Go look in your back yard ..... :-)
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 13, 2013 - 02:08pm PT

you don't really believe in nothing
so you re-echo the same damn
thing over and over,
and actually these echos are
not even yours
but some past fool's utterings,

Should we not listen to words from the past?
Shurely ur dad whispered something in your ear as a child that still resonates in ur life today?
What about ur grandfather or your great grandfather. Is there any words from their life's trials and tribulations that we're worthy of writing down and passing on to the next generation?
Couldn't they have learned something in all their years that is worthy for you to steer ur life by? Maybe it wasn't calculus, or how to tune a still 065. But how about; "train up a child in the way she should go, and when she is old she will not depart from it." and "foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; the rod of correction will drive it far from her." these were written by
Solomon over 3000 yrs ago. Don't they deserve to be written down and passed along to every generation? The book of Proverbs alone should be a prerequisite for every parent. And for any person who has questioned his substance. I beg you to find anything in there that does not pertain to life in the modern world. What does the book of evolution teach you? That our spirits, or creativity and our emotions of love and hate were a product of an absolute accident
of the bonding of matter. With morals like "it's a dog eat dog world, and only the strong can survive". Thuss we are here today from the shear strength of our egos. Having this kind of conviction in ur heart, how does it make you feel to teach this to ur children? Proud? How does it make you feel to be taught this myth? The lesson of the bible is the exact opposite.
It sez that every person ever born is a child of Gods. And that we ALL are brothers and sisters
in Christ. That beckons us to be considerate of our past generations advice. And it behooves
us to listen and test their theories. And when you find something that is good and it works.
Doesn't it feel good to share it with your brothers and sisters???
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Jul 13, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
Sometimes you are priceless, Werner.
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Jul 13, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
The rod of correction, eh Blue?

Seriously, what is it with these Christians and their repressed sadism?

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 13, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
^^^ Seriously is that all you could see in my words?
For your info, in old world language "the rod"was known as a measuring stick. So a parent is to use a certain measureof correction for a certain measure of disobedience. My daughter hears so much love and praise from my mouth, I barely have to take a serious tone to get
her undivided attention.
Thanks for your input though Cintune
jstan

climber
Jul 13, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
Finally to see a consensus forming, as it is here, is inspiring.

I am moved by this achievement to present an idea. Quantum Mechanics is a study of the laws obeyed by very small things. Many of our brain connections are established as we learn, starting at two or three, and extending beyond age twelve, for some. By that time we are very big and have been thoroughly biased by our experience with big things. As a result QM seems outlandish.

So here is the idea. Tape an ipod to the belly of the woman from intercourse onward and play Feynman's lecture on Quantum Electrodynamics. That way when the fetus is one celled, and very small, it can hear ideas applicable to things small. It should be a natural. When one celled the fetus already has a soul. So it can clearly handle Feynman.
MH2

climber
Jul 13, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
Yes but that embryo may find a way to not develop and to stay in the quantum world.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 13, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
Thanks Mr. Jstan, i'll let you do that experiment

Question! Are you an enthusiast of the big bang syndrome?

If so, can you explain your idea of what when on just before the bang?

My minds picture is of EVERYTHING is compacted into a cingalarity?

So where are natures laws hanging out? You know like; gravity, magnetism, light, etc.

Or is this one of those questions "out there hanging" like, where did DNA/RNA get its start?

Thank you ahead of time.
jstan

climber
Jul 13, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
Question! Are you an enthusiast of the big bang syndrome?

If so, can you explain your idea of what when on just before the bang?

My minds picture is of EVERYTHING is compacted into a cingalarity?

So where are natures laws hanging out? You know like; gravity, magnetism, light, etc.

Or is this one of those questions "out there hanging" like, where did DNA/RNA get its start?



Your questions are precisely those which have been directly addressed on youtube yet, by Krauss, Sean Carroll, Greene, Turock, Dawkins and many others. Sorry, but you are clearly trolling. Your Big Bang "syndrome" gives you away. Are you a follower of the heliocentric syndrome? My guess is you are not. Too bad Kepler died in 1630. The two of you might
have had a useful discussion.

You will learn the most by Googling up these people. It is always best to get things, from a primary source. Third hand accounts really leave a lot to be desired. Right?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 13, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
Sorry didn't mean any offense!
my intension with that word was for you to incorporate ur influences into your opinion along
with your emotional understanding. I am very interested in knowing what ur perspective is on this idea. That's all! Obliviously there is no fact on this "matter". Pardon the pun. I've read so many of your statements, I jus wondered where U stood. It's truely marvelous to ponder!
How could matter be created out of nothing? My latest pondering is, what came first the plant or the seed. As I've been watching my tomatoe plants grow from a seedling. I am in awe
at all the matter in the stalks and leaves that keep appearing each day. It seems like the bucket of dirt their in should be have gone by now if the seed uses the minerals for its structure. It is amazing what takes place from seed to eatable tomatoe!
It almost seems like matter created from nothing..(well from a seed).
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 13, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
please, please, stop posting

your are the basest form of thinker to inhabit this thread

ever!
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Jul 13, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
Yes, good to know you don't beat your child, Blu, but unfortunately a quick search brings up dozens of fundie websites that use that exact passage to condone the infliction of corporal punishment on minors. Because salvation is more important than anything, obviously. So the question remains open, what exactly is it that gives so many self-proclaimed Christians out there such a decided S&M kink?
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 13, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
i drowned when i was 7 years old in the margaree river, (belle cote, cape breton ns/canada). was rescued by my 13 year old cousin. woke up on my grandmothers couch and didn't/couldn't move from there and was sick as a dog for a week. that didn't stop me from joining some friends after school down by the banks of another very deep river in NYC/NY. a beat cop came along and ended up taking me home because he thought we were gonna end up on the bottom of the river if we kept it up. particularly me, since i still didn't know how to swim. he stood at the door while my dad proceeded to whip my ass real good. the only time i recall ever getting a whoopin, before or after, from my father. that was the only reason i never joined my friends down by the river after school again. i sure would have, because it was just to much fun. i thought it was totally bogus, particularly because i told the truth as to where i lived (right across the street, same place my friends did) but they all lied and said they lived on the other side of town (street smarts). he took me home because i was the closest, supposedly. that butt whipping may very well have saved my life. i didn't realize that until much later. he never had to do it again. i learned a lesson, the hard way (i had been warned about going near any rivers, but didn't listen) i followed orders from then on.

we are chastised by God, because He loves us to much to allow us to continue doing something that will harm us. we should also do so with our kids. many kids want someone to tell them what they are doing is wrong. it shows that we love them.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jul 14, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Six months ago, or whenever it was, there was all this "Post up, Go-B" "Sorry, Go-Be" "Come back, Go-Be, we miss you" - well you got what you wished for. Ever more cut and past at bronze age value...

Go-Be was never in your face about his faith. Getting upset over him posting bible verse is like blaming a compass for pointing north.

It needs to be pointed out that there is militant Christianity just as there is militant Islam and militant Judaism. At this point in time, the Muslims take the cake over their blind faith, and obey orders, no matter how ridiculous, just so they can score their slot in paradise.

The problem with the new Christianity is that it has become more and more entrenched into the far right of the far right.

All we need to do is look at those Islamic countries who have clerical rule, such as Iran or the Muslim Brotherhood recently in Egypt, to get an idea of what it would be like to return to non-secular rule. The west outgrew it several hundred years ago, I guess around the protestant reformation.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 14, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
Getting upset over him posting bible verse is like blaming a compass for pointing north.

What a pinhead statement. A compass doesn't vote. A compass has no soul to require of itself to be an informed engaged citizen of a healthy upward bound democracy.

The dots aren't that far apart here, challenge yourself to draw the line between them.

Go-Be was never in your face about his faith. Getting upset over him posting bible verse...

Perhaps you and I have different definitions of "upset"? "Upset" is one thing, getting sick of tired of simply seeing his superstitious crap pasted everywhere on a page is another. Believe you me, I don't need go-b "to be in my face" to point out his silly purile crap and how it contributes to the bs in our country.

You too are the shade under which these Abrahamic simpletons take shade. Shame on you.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jul 14, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
we are chastised by God, because He loves us to much to allow us to continue doing something that will harm us. we should also do so with our kids. many kids want someone to tell them what they are doing is wrong. it shows that we love them.

So you are saying that God directly interfered with the natural course of events in your life? When you say, "I drowned," to you mean that you were dead?

I find it interesting that all of these "after death" stories only last for a few moments. Nobody comes back after they have been dead for a day and rigor has set in. I doubt that Werner has seen any of the torn to shreds bodies reassemble themselves.

To have faith, I need compelling evidence. I have yet to see compelling empirical evidence. If you read any religious text with a certain degree of skepticism, at some point you have to shake your head. They do not bear up to close scrutiny.

An example is the Book of Mormon. It direly warns of false prophets, yet most Christians believe that Joseph Smith was a false prophet himself. I can't understand how a person can pick and choose any certain religion out of many. The truth is that a person doesn't really choose a religion in almost all cases. The person becomes a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, a Hindu, or a Cargo Cult simply because the person is born into that social setting.

Exceptions are people such as Werner, who chose a religion that is far more common in Asia.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 14, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
So you are saying that God directly interfered

Note that you yourself have gotten "upset" with ST folks for getting facts wrong concerning your bailiwick - geology. Also for their "willful ignorance" relating to it. Correct me if I'm wrong, lol! People care about what they love, they look after what they love. On another thread, an ST poster has gotten "upset" with people for leaving cig butts at his crag. Again, people care about what they love, they look after what they love. I submit to you that if your care and past investments covered the whole spectrum of science, physical sciences and life sciences, not to mention world religions and their theologies and history and language - yes, just as mine have, yes I've been a busy bee - as the whole shebang of it all affects the human condition, its state and where it's going - then YOU too would have more areas and opportunities from which or about which to get "upset."

But it's pretty easy isn't it? to stick to your ONE field of specialty and to limit your "getting upset" to just it. That is so minor league, so easy peasy.

Go ahead, take 15 years of life sciences. Read the entire bible twice (in my case by age 24). Suffer estrangement from extended family members due to their arrogant fundamentalism, zero understanding of nature or how it works in terms of physics, chemistry and biology, belief in science and evolution as "straight from the pit of hell," etc. Then speak to me from those shoes. Till, get out of my face.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jul 14, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
I work the Ordovician through Permian rocks in the mid continent area. There are buried rivers, deltas, mountain ranges, coral reefs, you name it. It is all right there under your nose if you have the courage to look.

Here is a type section of southeast Colorado. I'll post some cross sections next.

Credit: BASE104
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jul 14, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
HFCS, I had been watching Largo string us along for years. He was never fully honest or forthcoming until a couple of months ago. I watched Largo string everyone along for several years straight.

I got super pissed when he called Ed dishonest. That was too far.

Subsurface sedimentary geology is what I do. When it comes to particle physics I defer to Ed. I don't know why you have your panties in a wad over geology.

There are many types of geologists. Ammon's girlfriend Kate is into hard rock mining. I don't remember very much about that topic, having taken only a couple of classes in igneous petrology. My gig is petroleum geology.

I've read the bible as well. Recently I read Leviticus a couple of times just to get all of those rules down pat. I don't know a single Christian who follows most of those rules, but they snip out one line regarding a man laying with a man as an abomination.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 14, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
Yeah, yeah. But what does your Ordovician post have to do with anything in this conversation?

Be the change you seek in the world. It's not about getting upset. It's about getting involved and encouraging others to require of themselves. To update their outdated beliefs, for instance.

It's no surprise that cures for cancer often come from those esp motivated to find them. We've heard the stories before, say a person was struck down by a cancer and so an esp motivated family member sets their mind to finding a cure for it... and voila! Makes complete sense. So too it doesn't surprise me that the changes that are coming to "belief systems", and will continue to come to them in big ways over the rest of this century, will do so mostly from those (e.g., the Malalas, Dawkins, science aficionadoes, cultural evolution aficionadoes, better performance aficionadoes, etc.) who are esp motivated to see them come... and not from the moderates (any more than conservatives), many of whom are left wing nuts and/or have next to zero life experience either (a) across the board in the sciences or (b) knowing what it is, or what's it's like, living their lives in terms of The Evolutionary Epic or The Science Story and how this informs their practice of living and how it's worth fighting for.

Speaking of Malala, it's too bad you and I couldn't ask her if she were sick and tired of the Abrahamic ideology that runs amuck through her home country... that serves as a support system for all the archaica that inflicts her home country. I wonder what her answer would be.

Btw, just in case it's unclear to you, one could easily argue it was Abramamic ideology that put the bullet through her head.

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HFCS, I had been watching Largo string us along for years

Quite arguably a neurotic activity in itself.

He was never fully honest or forthcoming until a couple of months ago
I don't know why you have your panties in a wad over geology.

With all due respect, more pinhead statements. No basis. Read more slowly,I don't know?

I love geology, geological record. Evolutionary theory draws from it. In my past I memorized all the eras, epochs, periods of the geological table. (Intentionally, to help imprint in my mind-brain the so-called Evolutionary Story.) In my past I once had all the ten or twelves layers of the grand canyon memorized. So your writing is unfounded. Like most of the nutty superstitious posts on this thread.
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