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MH2

climber
May 6, 2013 - 08:07am PT
As long as you're using language in a referential way--that is, to refer to experience--then fine.


Objective experience, subjective experience, or both?


In reference to what IS I will unearth an overly smooth notion posted before MikeL's appearance as a poster on ST:

Science does not ask what a thing IS, it asks what happens when you poke it with a stick.

Although that is far from the whole story.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 6, 2013 - 08:17am PT
If you think the end result is nothingness, then probably that will be what you find. If you think the end result is union of two separate entities, probably that is what you'll find.


I'm wondering why you use the term probably. Shouldn't that be "possibly"? clearly you are not certain of this outcome so why imply a greater likelyhood than is justified?

It reminds me of Karl Roves famous quip " We create our own reality", which to an extent is true in the context that he applies it to - politics. To an extent is the operative word. In his case unsubstantiated mythology and imagery is used to build a ideology that "creates" our reality. The problem is, whatever is based on myth can only operate so long as the environment it operates in ( reality) allows it. Laissez faire capitalism for instance, or communism. The fuel it runs on is belief which we all know does not have to be well pinned to reality, but the engine still must be made of real honest to god material and the road must be well paved and not lead to any real cliffs.

Thats how it works here on earth anyway when you follow what you prefer to think rather than determine what you think by what you know. How that translates to the next world I have no idea but i suppose you may be right. It may be possible.

If Karl Rove had been truly interested in accurately describing right wing influence he would have said something like " We create our own reality..... but only to the extent that you dumb fuks allow it" but that of course grossly reveals the vulnerability in his belief structure and we can't build a movement on that eh?
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
May 6, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 6, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
If you shut your eyes, you won't be able to see sh#t.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONaPq2L-MRg
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
WBraun
climber May 5, 2013 - 08:14pm PT

Especially said by a man with no sense ..... ^^^^^

now that you take it back, yes, you make no sense what so ever
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
It reminds me of Karl Roves famous quip " We create our own reality",

No one creates a skeptics reality, that is what the skeptic movement is all about, rejecting created realities, and exploring the objective reality. And only science can be the arbitrator when it comes to the truth, the knowledge that science has provided on all topics is the what the objective reality has to say.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 6, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
Gee, look up! If you shut your eyes, you won't see sh#t.

Credit: BASE104
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 6, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
Look small!! If you shut your eyes, you won't see sh#t.

Credit: BASE104
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Natural variation within a species,
the unseen energy that powers evolution

These plants are from the seed batch!, every individual plant is different, every individual can have a trait that makes it special that will be a selective advantage for more offspring.
WBraun

climber
May 6, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
the unseen energy

God ..... can be seen with his third eye.

The gross materialists are blind without it .....
WBraun

climber
May 7, 2013 - 07:08am PT
LOL ,,, good one Ed ....

:-)
new world order2

climber
May 7, 2013 - 09:36am PT
Deleted. Moved to Climate Change.
WBraun

climber
May 7, 2013 - 09:50am PT
Apparently the squirrels even avoided eating the GMO corn.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
May 7, 2013 - 11:12am PT
If I had the choice I would pick organic.

That said, me thinks the corn cob/ squirrel experiment profiled above was rigged.
R-i-g-g-e-d.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
May 7, 2013 - 11:42am PT
what is the difference?

Organic has better cachet.

It is hip, now , today and happening.

Seriously , I would pick organic because of a few results like this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130326121732.htm

Remember the USDA designation "organic" (OFPA) means more than just genetic origin.
If a plant is GMO then it has been deemed "processed" and consequently falls outside of the
"Organic" designation.
WBraun

climber
May 7, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
what is the difference?

God made it real

and rascals made it GMO

:-)
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
I agree, the experiment was rigged
Now, unfortunately, we can't believe anything we hear from the media, it all has to be confirmed as true or not before it can be assimilated as fact

Squirrels would not care about if it was GMO or not, unless something was amiss
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
May 8, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
Experience without theory is blind, but theory without experience is mere intellectual play.

Immanuel Kant

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
May 8, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
philhellness says it well…

Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
May 9, 2013 - 09:36am PT
This just popped up in my email, an itunes neuroscience course. I have not listened to it yet, but will give me something new to think about at work:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/course/mapping-manipulating-brain/id529127330
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