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BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 22, 2013 - 09:27am PT
^^That is worth watching.^^

Hey. This occurred to me yesterday. Non-scientists might view scientists as a bunch of super smart special people.

I don't think that this is true. At all. I am certainly not smarter than most of my friends. Just ask them.

As I've gotten older, I recognize that the carpenter or the accountant or the writer all have the same type of mind, they just do different things with their inner toolbox.

So there is no "elite" bullshit in this, and when you run into a stuffy self important scientist, and he says something demeaning towards you, kick him in the nuts.

edit: the same goes for a stuffy self important priest, I suppose.

It is Hubris that I'm talking about. That is a very poor quality to pick up.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Apr 22, 2013 - 09:37am PT
music is also a language


i got somewhat bored with much of western music, working as a professional violinist


then i discovered bird song...under development for much longer than human music...
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Apr 22, 2013 - 09:38am PT
I'm reading John McPhee's The Curve of Binding Energy

...a long time favorite...
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Apr 22, 2013 - 09:50am PT
Who are these our? . . . . What is this confusion?

You have no questions to ask. Congrats. You understand reality.
rrider

climber
Mckinleyville, Ca
Apr 22, 2013 - 10:01am PT
Wow, ^ ^ Jill Bolte Taylor! Thanks, Ed, for sharing that beautiful human story.

Manipulating or mastering the brain could become the ultimate human battleground, on par with all the other mediums –from chem bio to atomic ordinance. My left brain winced when it heard some rumor about our government intentions regarding a big study of the human mind; but it does seem rather unsurprising that people invested in influencing the future of humanity might see it as the last unexploited natural resource. Darn you, Phillip K Dick (Wells, Huxley...)
jstan

climber
Apr 22, 2013 - 10:04am PT
the carpenter or the accountant or the writer all have the same type of mind, they just do different things with their inner toolbox.

Here Base touches on a realization I have reached. We obsess on "smart" not taking into account there are billions of different ways one can be "smart". While walking down the street you meet hundreds of people with no way to tell in what way each of them is truly exceptional. Once you realize this it becomes natural to treat people very carefully. You have no way of knowing what kind of powerhouse is standing there.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 22, 2013 - 11:03am PT
Here is what I do all day long. Every well is drilled to a total depth (TD) which is determined by the geologist. After the hole is drilled, the rig pulls all of the drill pipe and the drill bit out of the hole. The sit on big racks up in the derrick.

When they are out, a logging company such as Schlumberger comes out and lowers a suite of very precise tools down the hole. After they get down, they pull them back up very slowly. Some logs are pulled so slow that it takes many hours to log the well. You do this multiple times with multiple tools.

These "Tools" are very precise physical instruments that measure rock properties better than I could ever do with a sample of the rock in my hand. When they are printed out, each log has many curves that tell lithology, conductivity, porosity, fluid content and type, you name it.

A really good logging suite can cost 50 grand. A cheapo will often do, and those run about ten grand. Almost every well has been logged since the forties, and I have to know how to read every vintage of logs. I look at a hundred each day, so I can glance at these squiggly lines and just see the rock. I don't need a calculator, although their are intense calculations to do to arrive at a hard quantitative answer.

So all I do is look at squiggly lines. Here is a well that I just worked.

Credit: BASE104
jogill

climber
Colorado
Apr 22, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
Today seems unreal with the Great One gone.

But I have always enjoyed thought experiments, so here is one to provide a little amusement:

I sit at the table eating my breakfast this morning, my wife having gone shopping. The doorbell rings and I get up and answer it, finding a strangely-dressed young man who informs me he is a time traveler and has come from the year 3013, time travel having been perfected in 3012. He is conducting a scientific experiment that involves giving me the winning numbers in Powerball and studying the resulting temporal fallout. He leaves and I rush to a nearby Loaf & Jug and purchase and register my winning number. Then I drive back home, sit down and finish my breakfast and contemplate a rewarding future.

Meanwhile, my visitor has returned to 3013 and he and his colleagues study the results, write a paper, then as previously planned, terminate the experiment.

I am sitting at my table eating my breakfast, reading the newspaper, this morning.

Nothing happens . . .

Did time travel occur, or did it not? Law of the Excluded Middle . . .?


;>)
WBraun

climber
Apr 22, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
LOL .....
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Apr 22, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
Now THAT was funny.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Apr 22, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
what did they write their paper on?

On the results of their experiment, which did and did not occur.

It was published and it was not, for it did not exist and readers were and were not entertained.

Don't go on, please . . .

;>\
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Apr 22, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
Apr 22, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
Today seems unreal with the Great One gone.


Not so gone as all that...he's sitting here in my living room rocking chair discussing appropriate next adventures and open to suggestions from you all...
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 22, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
I hadn't thought of Layton in a while but the past two days I've had recurring thoughts of him. Today I learned he had passed on. One of the many synchronous events in my life.

Meanwhile, Layton opened up a whole new panorama for me in the material world when I was young and impressionable - one of the important mentors of my life.
MH2

climber
Apr 23, 2013 - 08:00am PT
Congrats. You understand reality.


No wonder my head hurts.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2013 - 08:10am PT
Time Travel is IMPOSSIBLE

So true
nothing happens.....

Think about how time travel would work if possible, and you will quickly convince yourself that it will never happen, it's impossible...
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2013 - 08:12am PT
Credit: Dr. F.
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Apr 23, 2013 - 08:25am PT
Base:

As an intern at 3M in corporate marketing research in the early 80s, I wrote a report on the wirelogging market. 3M then made wide rolls of thermofax paper used to represent the rock properties you reference above. The representations then were hash marks. Kinda interesting stuff.

Ed:

I apologize for laughing, but that you were serious was what was funny. (Heck, maybe I'd like to see the paper, too!)

Dr.F.:

You may be limited by logic. Suspend that idea, and doors could open for you. For example, there are things that are non-logical (logic is meaningless), there are things that are illogical, and there are things that are alogical (logical, illogical, and nonlogical altogether). Logic is just a perspective. There are other perspectives.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2013 - 08:31am PT
Yes, I am limited by logic
That is all we have as a tool to figure the possibility of how things would work.
We can dream and fantasize about all kinds of things being true, like gods floating around, and a place like heaven. We now know these things are fantasies, not true.

A Logical mind experiment can prove them Impossible.
Period.

If they worked, then we could use logic to explain them, but since they don't exist, the logic explains why; they are impossible.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 23, 2013 - 08:42am PT
Dr. F. you can't fool us. That photo above has nothing to do with your logic although I'm sure you could come up with a logical explanation of it if you wanted to.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2013 - 08:46am PT
My last common ancestor from 900 million years ago, now the insect, found the beauty of flowers irresistible!
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