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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 25, 2013 - 01:54am PT
When I was an atheist. the reason I asked if there was a god,
was because I saw there is a choice between good and evil in every
decisision. And between my choice of the two. The reward was; joy or misery

These emotions ARE rewards. The brain can't produce them.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 25, 2013 - 10:45am PT
When the attempt was made to indoctrinate me into religion as a child,
the reason I asked if there was a god,
was because I saw there is a choice between good and evil in every
decision. And between my choice of the two. The reward was; joy or misery.

This choice is stupid and inane because it makes god as evil as he is good. It made me wonder why the choice wasn't between good and better or between different kinds of good. I was also told I was made in god's image and so figured he must be a lot like me. The problem with that being I wouldn't do anything the way he does, especially that ridiculous good and evil part. I immediately concluded there wasn't a god and have been a born-again-and-again atheist ever since.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 25, 2013 - 10:53am PT
I don't know what kind of life you lead blueblocr but mine is seldom a choice between good and evil. Lots of shades of gray with could've, would 've, should've, but outright evil, no. I think the word evil should be used for people like suicide bombers and guys who chain women in their basements for ten years.
WBraun

climber
May 25, 2013 - 10:57am PT
Good and evil are both attributes of God.

Actually in true reality there is no good and evil.

It only exists in relation to the soul's (you) attachment to the material body.

The material contamination presents duality.

Thus your conclusion is due to poor fund of knowledge.

Thus those in poor fund of knowledge are better off being atheists than hypocritical theists.

So until you understand completely, you being atheist is alright.

I'll still give you sh!t ..... :-)
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2013 - 10:57am PT
Why shouldn't atheists be able to go to heaven?
If they are good people, why would it matter what you believe in.

Why would god use selective bias based on specific ideology if you have led a good life or not, it doesn't make sense. Who cares what the bible says, we all know that it was written by men, not God.
But most of the what the Christians believe in makes no sense, other than to be used as method of mind control on the faithful, that's why it should be rejected as a valid belief system
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 25, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Let me point out that salvation by faith alone did not appear in Christendom until 500 years ago. The first 1,500 years it was unheard of and the majority of Christians in the world still refer to it as a heresy.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
May 25, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Justification By Faith Alone
by Dr. R.C. Sproul

http://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/justification_by_faith_alone/after-darkness-light/
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 25, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
Justification by faith alone never made any sense to me. It seems more like a recruiting tool than the thoughts of an all knowing God.

He knows if you are going to be good or evil before you are born, correct? He even knows if you are going to have faith.

This makes life a little redundant using the modern Christian model.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 25, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
I refuse to waste my time reading that, Go-B. Sorry.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
May 25, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
Don't forget the love . . .

Love St.
Love St.
Credit: Largo

Carry on . . .
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
May 25, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Don't forget the folly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVdANNX2zP4

QT Why is martial arts fraud so instructive?
ANS It is faith and self-deception made VISIBLE.



Carry on...


Ah, heck, even better, 50 seconds in start...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRQkHolZBBg&feature=youtu.be&t=50s

Just what's the deal here? Perhaps Jan or Largo could explain?

Anyways, I want some. ;)
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
May 25, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
I refuse to waste my time reading that, Go-B. Sorry.


 Funny thing.. I feel this every time I hear or see anyone of "faith" speak.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
May 25, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
A tough row to hoe...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNZolXjZX24

takfiri: a Muslim who accuses another Muslim of apostasy (desertion from or rejection of the faith)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-fg-syria-fighting-hezbollah-20130526,0,7835258.story
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
May 26, 2013 - 11:15am PT
Get a load of this guy...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFeY_6fQcEU

(1) What is it like to be a bat?
(2) What is it like to live exclusively in the traditional theist bubble?


It's the easiest thing in the world, I think, to see traditional fundamentalist Christianity through traditional fundamentalist Islam. Or vice versa.

With one significantly more moderated by modernization.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2013 - 11:26am PT
Credit: Dr. F.

Do plants have reincarnation after they die?
How do they affect their karma so they can progress to a higher state next life?

Or maybe they go to plant heaven, and live out a life of heavenly bliss after the material world!

So many questions when it comes to the religious speculations, and with a guarantee of Zero answers.

Carry on
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
May 26, 2013 - 11:53am PT
I have all the answers:

There is no god, but they may imagine one all of their very own any time they want…
There is no heaven, but they may feel free to envision all the blissful anything anytime they want…
There is no hell, but they may predict whiteout knowledge (first-hand or otherwise) a fiery place where only "others" go to if they really feel the need….


With the believer doing all of this… I wonder, could that mind power be put to better use doing something that matters?

Should they?

It seems to me that believers have this sickness that is really hard to shake… They seem to be doing everything they do with the expectation of being paid back in the end.

Once you get to a point where you do things (giving-helping-donating) without the expectation of re-payment, without the expectation of reward later and without the expectation of anything in return, then you can truly say you have become the best human being you can possibly be.

The problem is…. those that read the bible are told by their so-called holy book this message of having no expectations, but at the same time told to expect more than even they can imagine.

Must be a tough life living within the doctrines of scripture and according to the so-called holy book.


BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 26, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
Eternal life and all of that church life fun? What's not to like?

I'm obviously not referring to catholic boys.

That first Muslim video is fairly rational. He condemns muslims killing muslims such as what the Taliban does.

For me, everything outside of my skin is real and utterly objective. If I don't spend my time learning all that I can about the world and universe around me then I am wasting time. I've been curious since a toddler.

So I don't think that Largo's navel gazing is very useful unless it helps people in their daily lives.

A walnut grows on the tree, it falls, you crack the shell, you eat the walnut. Sitting around for hours trying to find supernatural meaning in the walnut is just a waste of time. I could have spent that same amount of time learning how a tree functions, and how they have adapted their plumbing systems to various environments.

To put gasoline on the fire, I could never find peace in Los Angeles. It is solid concrete. I remember first seeing it from the sky at 15 when I went to Occidental. It was a hundred mile diameter concrete slab. No nature left.
jogill

climber
Colorado
May 26, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Funny thing.. I feel this every time I hear or see anyone of "faith" speak

I liked what Jan had to say about the possibility of consciousness somehow creating the physical universe. Keeping an open mind. Not lecturing down to us physicalists from a superior position of certainty.

go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
May 26, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
Let me point out that salvation by faith alone did not appear in Christendom until 500 years ago. The first 1,500 years it was unheard of and the majority of Christians in the world still refer to it as a heresy


How sweet the Name of Jesus sounds

How sweet the Name of Jesus sounds
In a believer’s ear!
It soothes his sorrow, heals his wounds,
And drives away his fear.

It makes the wounded spirit whole,
And calms the troubled breast;
’Tis manna to the hungry soul,
And to the weary rest.

Dear Name! the Rock on which we build;
Our shield and hiding-place;
Our never-failing treasury, filled
With boundless stores of grace.

Jesus, our Savior, Shepherd, Friend,
Our Prophet, Priest, and King;
Our Lord, our Life, our Way, our End,
Accept the praise we bring.

Weak is the effort of our heart,
And cold our warmest thought;
But when we see Thee as Thou art,
We’ll praise Thee as we ought.

Till then we would Thy love proclaim
With every fleeting breath;
And triumph in that blessed Name
Which quells the pow’r of death.



John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

John 6:47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

John 8:23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. 45 And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. 46 I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”


...Jesus is the shelter from the storm!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
May 26, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
From my perspective, the whole thing is fundamentally ungraspable so "certainty" is just another notion in my head. I have no shortage of screwy ones, LOL.

JL
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