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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 14, 2013 - 01:15pm PT

Science proposes theories and seeks to prove or disprove them through the highly rigorous and peer criticized Scientific Method.

Yes, Science thinks, theorizes, proposes and then takes action.

But, Isn't this contrary to how the Natural World moves? Take "evolution",
do you think plants presumed that the birds and the bees could be motivated
into becoming their transporters of pollen?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 14, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
Take "evolution",
do you think plants presumed that the birds and the bees could be motivated
into becoming their transporters of pollen?

Hi Blue!

well, I am pretty sure that you already know the answer to your question, and that is that plants do not have a "consciousness" capable of deductively presuming that their pollen will be used by the birds and bees for any purpose

the plants that do produce pollen do it anyway, regardless of whether or not there happen to be any birds or bees around

I suppose now that one particular poster will state that we humans are so arrogant to conclude that rocks and plants don't think like humans do, and because we can't prove it then we are full of sh#t, just as we can't prove that yellow dinosaurs are right now flying around somewhere in the universe
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 14, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
With regard to the number system, someone once said that when we look up at the stars at night, they are like the rational numbers (fractions). The black void beyond is like the irrationals (Pi, 2^1/2, etc...)

Happy "Pi" day

3/ 14

An irrational celebration must ensue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Day

Credit: Ward Trotter

Credit: Ward Trotter

Celebrating Pi Day might be nerdy but eatin' pies ain't.

I avoid sweets, but there is a berry pie at Marie Callendars down the road that keeps calling my name.( like a scene from the old Twilight Zone)
Today could be the perfect, even if irrational, justification for me breaking my dietary vows.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 14, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
At the very least pies are a refreshing alternative to cactus, at the top of the page no less.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 14, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
suppose now that one particular poster will state that we humans are so arrogant to conclude that rocks and plants don't think like humans do, and because we can't prove it then we are full of sh#t,

Not exactly - more like if they had the same level of navel gazing consciousness as us the plants would have created an entire reality TV series around who had the most magnificent pollen and the wile and cunning to manipulate the stupid bees into impregnating the plant with the biggest tits.
WBraun

climber
Mar 14, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Rocks can't think at all.

And if you believe rocks are living entities you're definitely stupid .....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 14, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
just as we can't prove that yellow dinosaurs are right now flying around somewhere in the universe
WBraun

climber
Mar 14, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
Just plain juggling words around to make you look like you know what you're talking about won't help you Norton .....
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 14, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
Well, scientists are pretty sure they have found the Higgs boson particle. I'll bet any Repub candidate who expresses a belief in this find will have the full weight of the Tea Party against them. The ignorance of many, let's say most, Republicans in Congress mut have Galileo rolling over in his grave.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 14, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
Werner,

I know that you don't "like" me, probably because I have said that I don't believe in a god as you do, and you do go after most anyone you don't happen to agree with.

But really, Werner, for a couple of years now you take your little shots at me, unprovoked and out of the blue, and not for any good reason that I can think of other than you are a stupid old man with nothing to add to any conversation other than acting like a child and pouting and calling everyone "stupid"

So, why don't you just go f*#k yourself, and know that I am going to call out your simple little childish sh!t all the time, you ignorant horse's ass.
WBraun

climber
Mar 14, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
I was right!

You're still juggling words around to make yourself think that you know what your talking about.

It's still not helping you .....
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 14, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
Klimmer,

 Wiki says - Some[11] even point to the Chernobyl disaster as a possible fulfillment of this prophecy, as the name Chernobyl is said to translate to "wormwood."

You biblical kooks need to read more into the bible than there is. Ultimately you will grow closer and closer to you personal idea of what god is…..


You are welcome


Just noticed a troll edit:

Norton and Werner… My money is on Braun being the troll
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 14, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
You're still juggling words around to make yourself think that you know what your talking about.

Juggling or not, you must admit he does have a point Werner.
WBraun

climber
Mar 14, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
You guys want to see how it played out?

It's kind of funny.

First Norton says:

I suppose now that one particular poster will state that we humans are so arrogant to conclude that rocks and plants don't think like humans do,

So I go Hmmmm why not play with this since he's building his own quicksand sinkhole.

and I say:

Rocks can't think at all.

And if you believe rocks are living entities you're definitely stupid .....

I put stupid in the end on purpose to see what happens LOL.

Then I use the juggle words ploy.

So he steps in his own quicksand sink hole and gets pissed. :-)

Yeah .... I'm a bad boy sometimes ..... LOL



Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 14, 2013 - 08:05pm PT


Congratulations
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Mar 14, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
Pardon me for stepping into this, but supposing, just for the sake of the question, that rocks could think, would they be thinking about Politics or God or Religion or Science or being climbed? Sorry.

coz

Gym climber
Belmont
Mar 14, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
Norton,

I consider Werner one of my all time friends and mentor, and we have never agreed on his God or mine.

Had a lot of great debates, and many a good laughs, but the bottom line was respect.

I don't think he cares about what God you believe in, he just likes taking the piss out of you.

Grow some skin old boy, you old Dad's (I'm near 50) get work up so easy about your silly little talks, about things you can't possibly understand.
MH2

climber
Mar 14, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
If they were smart they'd be all over The Flames.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 14, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
Coz, Werner may respectfully sling sh#t at you and vice versa but with those who he has no particular bro relationship with the guy can be a total c#&%, as I can attest to. I could give a fuk but no sense in painting it any other way. There may have been a time for mu tual respect but I,m damned if I recall when that ever was.
WBraun

climber
Mar 14, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Me and Coz never slung sh!t at each other.

You're projecting again.

Norton always gets on people about not thinking for themselves.

He rails all over people all the time in that stupid republican thread.

Then when someone actually does think for themselves and takes him to the cleaners for the sh!t he set himself up for
and then steps into that sh!t that he created, then he gets pissed.

He's more pissed at himself.

making it look like he's pissed at me isn't gonna help him, lol

You fall for this all the time yourself Bruce ......

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