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BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
Come on, Werner. People get heart transplants all of the time, and it doesn't mean a soul transplant.

BTW, everyone please sign up as an organ donor. You have no use for them after you are dead.

I had a thought last night when I was thinking about Werner and all of the carnage that he has seen. Mutilated body parts to screaming people with broken ankles. And he has been doing this for 40 years, give or take.

If I saw that much death, I might believe in souls, too. Otherwise I'd get a wicked case of PTSD.

As for simple writing, JL. Please try to do this as much as possible. This isn't a writing contest. State your full case in as few words as possible. The problem is that many of us STILL don't know exactly what you are saying.

It is not detectable by any form of measurement, but is nevertheless real and not magic. I'm not trolling you. I'm still curious. If anyone else can explain it, please do.

It doesn't have to be quantitative to be understandable. Your thinking that is a weak spot. Just make it logical.

Be honest about your experiences (It too a year for you to admit to practicing Zen) and what you found. I PM'd MikeL abut meditation a while back. I'm curious about it, if for no other reason than it calms you and increases your ability to concentrate. I don't care if you talked to Jesus, just describe it.
WBraun

climber
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
Dead bodies don't do anything and are no problems.

Nothing to get upset about at all.

It's the live ones that you need to worry about ..... :-)
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:14pm PT
I deal with carnage for a living too. Up to and including chainsaw massacres. I have a few cases of people dying from having battery acid poured down their throats, others beaten to death by a group of people with baseball bats. One of my favorite clients was shot six times in the head, and his skull is severely deformed, but he's alive. Colombia can be a tough place. It was scary at first but after I got used to it, there's no more uplifting work. Whatever bad day you had at work, at least you're not going to be delivered to your wife in three garbage bags with a note pinned on one of them. You can feel fortunate for that, at least. Of course, I don't have people dying in front of me, but I expect you can get used to that too.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
Be honest about your experiences (It too a year for you to admit to practicing Zen) and what you found.
-

The problem here BASE is that you've already decided what I should have found - some thing I can describe to you. A far better angle is to describe the process and you can find out yourself.

If you're interested in this stuff, try Insight or Vapassana meditation. This is especially good for people used to examining things. It's a very active practice and you'll be amazed if you stick with it even for a year.

JL
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
One of my favorite clients was shot six times in the head, and his skull is severely deformed, but he's alive.


how is this even possible, to be shot six times in the head and still be alive?

WTF?
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Apr 4, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
It's true Norton. I have 4-5 people as clients who were shot in the head and lived. Normally from assault rifles like M16s where the bullet goes right though. I didnt know it was possible until I got into it. The one shot repeatedly in the head is exceptional.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 4, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
damn, Don Paul!

this is bad news

I also kind of figured I might someday, given the worst circumstances of course, have to resort to suicide, and a gun shot to the head just seemed so......final

blows that theory all to hell

have to rethink some things

thanks!
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Apr 4, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Its not reliable. When the time comes you can start a thread and we'll come up with something better for you. Actually, the majority of my clients were shot twice in the head, not once. That's the signature of an assassination, at least in Colombia.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 4, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
Its not reliable.

just can't seem to count on anything anymore, shame
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
This isn't a writing contest. State your full case in as few words as possible.

1 = EVERYTHING

EDIT:

1 = EVERYTHING & EVERY NOT THING (and Not both)

:-)
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Apr 4, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
CHICAGO—Calling the overall human experience “poignant,” “thought-provoking,” and a “complete tour de force,” film critic Roger Ebert praised existence Thursday as “an audacious and thrilling triumph.” “While not without its flaws, life, from birth to death, is a masterwork, and an uplifting journey that both touches the heart and challenges the mind,” said Ebert, adding that while the totality of all humankind is sometimes “a mess in places,” it strives to be a magnum opus and, according to Ebert, largely succeeds at this goal. “At times brutally sad, yet surprisingly funny, and always completely honest, I wholeheartedly recommend existence. If you haven’t experienced it yet, then what are you waiting for? It is not to be missed.” Ebert later said that while human existence’s running time was “a little on the long side,” it could have gone on much, much longer and he would have been perfectly happy.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/roger-ebert-hails-human-existence-as-a-triumph,31945/
WBraun

climber
Apr 4, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
a masterwork, and an uplifting journey that both touches the heart

Even Ebert agrees the soul is within the heart.

Without the soul the brain can never be challenged.

Love is always from the heart.

Dr F's love only comes from his brain and is only lust for his material world .....
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Hey Werner
What happens when someone gets a Heart Transplant?

Do they get a new soul?
Or maybe it's a half a soul and the old half hangs on in some arteries for the surgery, then moves back after the surgery, to make a full soul??

What is it, I want to know?
WBraun

climber
Apr 4, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
The soul remains and waits for the new heart while they are putting it in.

It's now outside of the body until the replacement is put in.

Then it re-enters.

A lot times it will reject that heart.

Dr F rejects some houses and apartments because they are not suitable for him to live in .....







Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
Dr F rejects some houses and apartments because they are suitable for him to live in .....
WTF? I haven't moved in 12 years

Can a soul take over another person??
Of course it can, right?
it happens all the time
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
Your intellect may be confused, but your emotions never lie to you.


Claimed to have been Roger Ebert's credo for judging film [as printed today's NYTs].
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Apr 5, 2013 - 04:54am PT
It's all just the physical universe!



(perhaps we need a better understanding of the nature of the physical...)




it's all conscious!




(perhaps we need a better understanding of the nature of consciousness...)



Credit: TomCochrane



And the concept of reincarnation can be challenging...

(Perhaps we need a better understanding of the nature of life and death...as with other aspects of the 'physical' there are phase changes...)

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Apr 5, 2013 - 02:41pm PT




 You are no more special than any other human being...


Repeat...


Repeat...


Repeat...
WyoRockMan

Trad climber
Flank of the Bighorns
Apr 5, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
From the internet machine.
From the internet machine.
Credit: WyoRockMan
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:59pm PT

Your intellect may be confused, but your emotions never lie to you.

Can anyone dispute this truth? said by a movie critic.

I love critics. Their always punch'in the bag!

Once you quit fighting, your left in the corner catch'in spit in a bowl..

Jus Spar'in
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