If "Under Jehovah" is wrong I don't wanna be right
If being right means being without the God of Abraham
I'd rather be wrong than right.
The secular progressives say it's a shame
It's a downright disgrace
But Lord, long as I gotcha you by my side
I don't care what these modern know-it-alls say
My friends tell me there's no future
in worshipping a "bronze-aged fantasy"
But if I can't have you for real
I'll have you in my dreams
If loving you is wrong I don't wanna be right
If loving you is wrong I don't wanna be right
Am I wrong to want it all
Heaven and the 70 virgins
And am I wrong to hunger
For the sweetness of paradise
Knowing there's no evidence nor reason
For any of it
Am I wrong to give my love
to your Son who died for my sins
And am I wrong trying to hold on
to the best thing I ever had
If loving you is wrong I don't wanna be right
If loving you is wrong I don't wanna be right
I don't wanna be right
If it means being without you
I don't want to right
if all it means is this
I don't wanna be right
If Loving you is wrong
I don't wanna be right
No one can dispute that HFCS has railed against "The G-d of Abraham" for a long, long time here on ST. Yes, I say he hates G-d. He has demonstrated his displeasure toward "The G-d of Abraham" for a long, long time.
Dr. F,
These are the English pronunciations of the actual Hebrew names.
The Trinity, 3 in One:
Mark 1:10-11 (Cambridge KJV)
“And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
It seems to me that HFCS sees God as mythology and Dr F is right to question how he could hate something he doesn't believe is real. In Klimmer's mind God is real and he is displeased with those who think otherwise. Klimmer has no good reason to suppose the problem lies with HFCS.
It's not to cause you pain, Klimmer. Instead, it's to contribute - insofar as ONE person can - to this awesome adventurous even miraculous journey most of us call cultural evolution.
miraculous: from the Latin, marare, to marvel at, to be amazed by
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HFCS sees God as mythology
Really? I wonder if he sees "animal" as dangerous and bloodthirsty? For the ten thousandth time, doesn't it kind of depend on which "animal"? doesn't it kind of depend on which "God" concept?
It amazes me time and again how you "intellectual elites" - esp those of you who are exacting sticklers for word meaning - don't see the importance in distinguishing between the many and various "god" concepts in order to advance if not your thinking then your posting.
The difference between natural law as a higher power ("God") and the God of Moses as a higher power ("God") is the difference between a lion and a flea.
Of course you know it's useful to have the words "flea" and "lion" among tens of thousands of others to distinguish the variety of "animal" types. So why the hang up with "god"? You might not have the names for the various god concepts but you can still conceive the underlying distinctions.
To be clear: I see the Abrahamic God (the God of the Christians, Muslims and Jews) - esp in all the specifics - that most of us are more than familiar with through Bible and Sunday School - as mythology; even as fiction; and even if across history this fiction served ends, even to inspire or empower, it's still fiction.
Better question: Why is this answer for you not obvious?
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Alright, I'll answer (short): Because my America is Christian (historically), not Mayan or Hindu. And, yes, thank FATE big time, it ain't Islamic!
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It's not to cause you pain, Klimmer. Instead, it's to contribute - insofar as ONE person can - to this awesome adventurous even miraculous journey most of us call cultural evolution.
You see, I am what I am... a cultural evolution junkie.
Some people are political junkies, others knitting junkies, others reality show junkies, others Scrabble junkies, others "Don't bolt next to cracks!" junkies, others NIAD junkies. I just happen to be a cultural evolution junkie, a science and tech junkie, and an innovation junkie. Together they are a powerful combination. That I am a climber, too, is the co-incident, here.
And this is why you rail against Elohim here on ST?
The Natural Laws of the Universe are physical manifestations of G-d's character. There are Spiritual Laws too that manifest His character. Yet you ignore those and dismiss them out of hand.
Feb 8, 2013 - 10:15am PT
P.S. Allah is Jehovah. Jehovah is Allah. Read up on your Abrahamic mythology (or Abrahamic narrative, if you prefer.)
Allah (Arabic) = Jehovah or Yahweh (Hebrew) = the God of Moses = The God of Abraham.
I believe in you, Klimmer. Anyone can learn new material. Give it a go.
No one is too old to learn anew!
Yes, I used to believe that also. But The G-d of Abraham, Yod-Hey-Vad-Hey, the Tetragrammaton for the personal name of G-d, is The Father of Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus The Christ.
Mohammad is not his Son. Yeshua and Mohammad are not brothers. The Father of Mohammad is Allah.
Keeping with the theme on this page...
Do you want to be wrong or do you want to be right?
The Father of Mohammad is Allah.
Only in the sense that... "The Father of all of us is Allah (aka God, aka Jehovah, aka God of Moses)". That is, according to Abrahamic myth and indoctrination everywhere.
There is only one God (Allah) and that Muhammad is God's messenger.
That does not agree with the Theology of Judeo-Christian faiths.
Yes, it is true that they have the same Earthly Father, Abraham. Isaac the son of Abraham -- The Jews, The Hebrews, Judeo-Christian faith. Esau the son of Abraham -- The Arabs, Islam, etc.
Even the Good Book says there would be a struggle between the brothers Isaac and Esau and their descendants, but both would be blessed. Guess what all the Arabs sit on? Oil. They have been richly blessed.
But guess what is now happening world wide? Many of Islamic faith are having visions and dreams of Yeshua HaMashiach, and coming to the realization that Jesus Christ is the True Messiah. G-d is bringing them back. Google it. It's a worldwide phenom in Islam right now, and the clergy within Islam are not pleased.
Isaac's descendants, The Hebrews, The Jews, the Tribes of Israel, have the blessing and responsibility of bringing the Word of G-d to the World, and HaMashaich. The Messiah. They have done so. Yeshua HaMashiach is a direct descendant from King David, from Isaac. He is the Savior of the World. And in the end of this age the Nation of Israel will all be saved as prophesied.
G-d is working miracles and bringing salvation as he promised.
They are the perfect compliment to each other. I'd highly recommend them. In combination with history, world and U.S., through public schooling, it was pretty well-rounded I think.
It seems to me that HFCS sees God as mythology and Dr F is right to question how he could hate something he doesn't believe is real.
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This whole thread could be viewed in terms of left and right brain content. For those identified with the linear left brain, "real" means something they can quantify. The right brain operates on a different wavelength and from the left brain perspective, right brain content is mostly imagined or wonky, brain produced blow-back from the brain stem (instinctive) and limbic (feeling) centers. The problem is that looking at the right brain from the left brain is a little like looking at Paris from Rome. There will be quite a bit of distortion involved to say nothing of the biasis and beliefs the Italian brings to the viewing. And if things don't square with what he considers "real," then it must be wu wu and superstition and Abrahamic jive that science is so up against.
Of course this interpretation is totally wrong, but don't try and tell that to the left brain.
These little gods are sons of G-d (1/3) who went their own way. Fallen Angels. They want to be worshiped. They do work to fool mankind and they have throughout history. Now you know where we get our pantheon of gods.
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